2007 College Football Season Talk

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I agree about Cal-Tennessee.

I'm not counting out TCU, I remember what they did to Oklahoma a few years back.

I remember that vividly as well. I also vividly remember them losing to SMU the following week.

[timothy1997 0]

Michigan holds a lot of NCAA football records. They can add worst loss ever by a divison 1 school. Carr's job is seriously in jeopardy.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Michigan holds a lot of NCAA football records. They can add worst loss ever by a divison 1 school. Carr's job is seriously in jeopardy.

I dont think it matters, he wont be fired until after the season if he is, and he wont be. I thought before today this was his last season anyway. Ron English may be promoted, though his stock fell today too.

Edited September 2, 2007 by Hockeytown Red Wings

[eva unit zero 271]

I have to be honest. I wasn't expecting anything like that today. I am going to look on the bright side though, and that is:

Michigan's defense played SIGNIFICANTLY better in the seocnd half than it did in the first. With a lot of inexperienced players starting, that is a damn good sign of a season that isn't lost.

Losing to Appalachian State has zero impact on the computer rankings, which means Michigan still has an outside shot at the national championship game if they run the table, because the computers would consider them undefeated.

Losing in the first game of the season to App State is a significantly better loss than, say, losing on October 6th to Eastern Michigan. Voters tend to view conferences like the MAC as comparable to I-AA schools, and losses to them by major conference teams as the same as a loss to a I-AA school. If the Wolverines were to go 11-1, they would see a much higher ranking with the App State loss than with an EMU loss.

Also..what happens if there are three remaining one loss teams, and they are at the top of the BCS, and those three teams are Michigan, OSU, and USC with a loss to Oregon? That would mean that Michigan beat OSU, and that USC lost to a team Michigan beat. I'm not calling this scenario, but you can't seriously tell me that Michigan doesn't end up in the title game in that situation. Because you can't include OSU over Michigan at that point--OSU winning the title over USC after they had just lost to Michigan would be a pretty bad outcome from a publicity standpoint--the loser of the sport's biggest rivalry game goes to the title game and wins, while the winner goes home with a better record but no shot at the title? And they wouldn't put a two-loss team over a one-loss OSU team.

Realistically, Michigan will probably end up between the 5-10 spots, which is what I would have said last week too.

I dont think it matters, he wont be fired until after the season if he is, and he wont be. I thought before today this was his last season anyway. Ron English may be promoted, though his stock fell today too.

I don't think English's stock fell. He was able to get the defense to adapt very well in the secondhalf. The major issue the defense had as far as stopping App State was inexperience. The Wolverines lost most of their defensive starters to the draft, anyone expecting that same dominant defense just wasn't paying attention. If Michigan had their defense from last year still around, they'd have won by 40 points today. They would also be a consensus preseason top three. As it stood, I thought 5 might have been a little high (7 or 8 would have probably been closer) although Michigan probably drops beyond 20 this week, if they are lucky enough to remain ranked. A solid win over Oregon would be redemption in the voters eyes as far as ranked vs not ranked.

[Airborn 0]

I agree with whoever said Carr wouldn't be fired midseason. That would only happen if he did something, "off the field" like Moeller.

Jumping ahead to 08, if Martin replaces Carr with either Debord or English, that will be an absolute joke. There's dozens of more qualfied coaches that would jump for the chance to take over a program like Michigan.

I hate Carr's idea that someone from his staff should take over. That reeks of nepotism, and will only strive to continue cycle of mediocrity if Martin doesn't have the balls to putt his foot down.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Michigan holds a lot of NCAA football records. They can add worst loss ever by a divison 1 school. Carr's job is seriously in jeopardy.

We can only pray to God you're right....

[Guest DetroitIan]

Well, 10 years ago, Ohio State couldn't beat Michigan and the Wolverines were national champs with Carr at the helm.... just to be fair.

Key words: Ten Years Ago. It's been a frickin decade. And personally, for me, 2 seasons ago I was already itching for Michigan to fire Carr. And now 2 disappointing seasons later, this guy still has his job. :nonono:

Edited September 2, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Referring to the John Cooper years isn't warranted right now....

[timothy1997 0]

Losing to Appalachian State has zero impact on the computer rankings, which means Michigan still has an outside shot at the national championship game if they run the table, because the computers would consider them undefeated.

Losing in the first game of the season to App State is a significantly better loss than, say, losing on October 6th to Eastern Michigan. Voters tend to view conferences like the MAC as comparable to I-AA schools, and losses to them by major conference teams as the same as a loss to a I-AA school. If the Wolverines were to go 11-1, they would see a much higher ranking with the App State loss than with an EMU loss.

While I agree with you in losing early is better than losing late...losing to a I-AA school is going to weigh heavy on the minds of the poll voters. How can anyone seriously give Michigan a shot at the National Title after this??

Michigan's best bet is to win the rest of their games and go to the Rose Bowl, no title chance.

Edited September 2, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

While I agree with you in losing early is better than losing late...losing to a I-AA school is going to weigh heavy on the minds of the poll voters. How can anyone seriously give Michigan a shot at the National Title after this??

Michigan's best bet is to win the rest of their games and go to the Rose Bowl, no title chance.

As I said, it would take a situation where you would be putting either Michigan or someone who Michigan beat and has a better record than. I didn't say it would happen, or that it was likely. Just that it was not impossible.

[Guest jaytan]

Key words: Ten Years Ago. It's been a frickin decade. And personally, for me, 2 seasons ago I was already itching for Michigan to fire Carr. And now 2 disappointing seasons later, this guy still has his job. :nonono:

Do you guys really consider last season to be disappointing/ You went undefeated until you played the best team in the country at the end of the year and lost by a field goal, then lost to USC in a completely meaningless game two months later. If I were a Michigan fan, I wouldn't ***** about the '06 season.... The '07 season, well that's a different story.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I have to be honest. I wasn't expecting anything like that today. I am going to look on the bright side though, and that is:

Michigan's defense played SIGNIFICANTLY better in the seocnd half than it did in the first. With a lot of inexperienced players starting, that is a damn good sign of a season that isn't lost.

Losing to Appalachian State has zero impact on the computer rankings, which means Michigan still has an outside shot at the national championship game if they run the table, because the computers would consider them undefeated.

Losing in the first game of the season to App State is a significantly better loss than, say, losing on October 6th to Eastern Michigan. Voters tend to view conferences like the MAC as comparable to I-AA schools, and losses to them by major conference teams as the same as a loss to a I-AA school. If the Wolverines were to go 11-1, they would see a much higher ranking with the App State loss than with an EMU loss.

Also..what happens if there are three remaining one loss teams, and they are at the top of the BCS, and those three teams are Michigan, OSU, and USC with a loss to Oregon? That would mean that Michigan beat OSU, and that USC lost to a team Michigan beat. I'm not calling this scenario, but you can't seriously tell me that Michigan doesn't end up in the title game in that situation. Because you can't include OSU over Michigan at that point--OSU winning the title over USC after they had just lost to Michigan would be a pretty bad outcome from a publicity standpoint--the loser of the sport's biggest rivalry game goes to the title game and wins, while the winner goes home with a better record but no shot at the title? And they wouldn't put a two-loss team over a one-loss OSU team.

Realistically, Michigan will probably end up between the 5-10 spots, which is what I would have said last week too.

It is 100% impossible eva. The human pollsters would NEVER allow Michigan to enter the national championship game....it doesnt matter what the computer has. Mark my words, even if Michigan ends up with only 1 loss, there will be teams with 2 losses ranked ahead of them in the polls. Put yourself in the NCAA shoes, do you honestly believe theres even a 1% chance they would put Michigan in the title game after this? Lets say they actually won it all, do you realize how ridiculous that would look? All it would do is further open the floodgates of all the smaller schools complaining again...nope, wont happen.

[eva unit zero 271]

It is 100% impossible eva. The human pollsters would NEVER allow Michigan to enter the national championship game....it doesnt matter what the computer has. Mark my words, even if Michigan ends up with only 1 loss, there will be teams with 2 losses ranked ahead of them in the polls. Put yourself in the NCAA shoes, do you honestly believe theres even a 1% chance they would put Michigan in the title game after this? Lets say they actually won it all, do you realize how ridiculous that would look? All it would do is further open the floodgates of all the smaller schools complaining again...nope, wont happen.

So you're telling me that if Michigan runs the table, and there is one other one-loss team, being Ohio State, that the pollsters would put two 2-loss teams in the championship game? Because if Michigan beats OSU in the final regular season game, and both teams then have one loss, it would be ridiculous for OSU to be in the national championship game over Michigan. Which means that either you see Michigan/OSU, Michigan vs a 2-loss team, or you see two 2-loss teams. I am by no means saying Michigan will go to the national championship game or even that they'll deserve to go...but it is NOT impossible. Simply improbable.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

While I agree with you in losing early is better than losing late...losing to a I-AA school is going to weigh heavy on the minds of the poll voters. How can anyone seriously give Michigan a shot at the National Title after this??

Michigan's best bet is to win the rest of their games and go to the Rose Bowl, no title chance.

100% right......

Do you guys really consider last season to be disappointing/ You went undefeated until you played the best team in the country at the end of the year and lost by a field goal, then lost to USC in a completely meaningless game two months later. If I were a Michigan fan, I wouldn't ***** about the '06 season.... The '07 season, well that's a different story.

No way. Last season why amazing even though it ended sour. No shame in losing to the No. 1 ranked team by 3 points. The USC game was ugly, but U-M just had a off day, and it's Southern Cal afterall.

I agree with whoever said Carr wouldn't be fired midseason. That would only happen if he did something, "off the field" like Moeller.

Jumping ahead to 08, if Martin replaces Carr with either Debord or English, that will be an absolute joke. There's dozens of more qualfied coaches that would jump for the chance to take over a program like Michigan.

I hate Carr's idea that someone from his staff should take over. That reeks of nepotism, and will only strive to continue cycle of mediocrity if Martin doesn't have the balls to putt his foot down.

No one from the staff will take over. The only guy with a chance is Loeffler, and that is way to much of a risk. English does not have enough experience, and Martin is against Debord. Debord ran CMU into the ground. You could give him a pass because it's CMU, but after Brian Kelly turned it around in 3 years the free pass is no longer there.

Word is Martin has been already researching, and although nothing is for sure most people think the main list is Les Miles, Kirk Ferentz, Brian Kelly, and Jeff Tedford.

[Viperar 16]

poor michigan....atleast Miami won

[timothy1997 0]

So you're telling me that if Michigan runs the table, and there is one other one-loss team, being Ohio State, that the pollsters would put two 2-loss teams in the championship game? Because if Michigan beats OSU in the final regular season game, and both teams then have one loss, it would be ridiculous for OSU to be in the national championship game over Michigan. Which means that either you see Michigan/OSU, Michigan vs a 2-loss team, or you see two 2-loss teams. I am by no means saying Michigan will go to the national championship game or even that they'll deserve to go...but it is NOT impossible. Simply improbable.

If I was a voter...yes, I would perfer to see a team with 2 losses to Divison 1 teams in before I would EVER allow Michigan with their 1 loss to a Div 1-AA school. That loss saturday might as well have been 3 losses. Inexcusable.

As U-M running back Mike Hart said: "When you lose to a team like that, a Division I-AA team, how can you win the national championship in Division I?"

Edited September 3, 2007 by timothy1997

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

An analyst from CollegeFootballNews.com....a pretty damned good football source that I check out just about everyday...

Fear not Michigan fans...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/675156.html

5 Thoughts - It's Only Week One

There's Still More Football To Play

By Pete Fiutak

1. People, we’ve only played one week of the college football season. One … week.

No, your team still probably isn’t better than Michigan. No, your team isn’t a lock for the BCS after blowing out some team from the Sun Belt, MAC or FCS. No, your season isn’t over even if you did lose to some team from the MAC or FCS. It’s week one of a very, very long season, and the Appalachian State upset isn’t going to be the only bizarre twist as it goes along.

Michigan is still great, even if it's a national punching bag right now. That offense is going to hang up huge numbers all season long to make up for the issues on defense. The Wolverines are going to beat Oregon. They’re going to beat Notre Dame. I’m not sure about the Penn State game, but they’re going to beat Northwestern, Eastern Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Michigan State before playing Wisconsin. They’re going to be right in the thick of the Big Ten race all season long, and they’re going to be a serious threat to go to the BCS. Losing to Appalachian State changed nothing other than national title hopes, which were out of Michigan’s hands anyway since USC and LSU, thanks to how the system works, will play for the championship if they each go unbeaten.

So relax. In two weeks, ff your team still stinks, or if your team is still blowing the doors off everyone, then it’s time to react. Let’s wait and see how the teams that got crushed play this week to see if week one’s big.

Texas almost did the same thing Saturday, only beating Arkansas State 21-13 and needing to recover an onsides kick late to seal the deal. Gives me some hope when my school faces them this upcoming weekend. Regardless, UT will probably be at least a 15-point favorite.

Edited September 3, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[timothy1997 0]

An analyst from CollegeFootballNews.com....a pretty damned good football source that I check out just about everyday...

Fear not Michigan fans...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/675156.html

Texas almost did the same thing Saturday, only beating Arkansas State 21-13 and needing to recover an onsides kick late to seal the deal. Gives me some hope when my school faces them this upcoming weekend. Regardless, UT will probably be at least a 15-point favorite.

While I agree with your comments Jack, this forum has also been hearing from ever Michigan fan saying that "this is the year...National Championship year" and with their best players being Seniors, they had every right to make such a bold prediction....and then their hopes and dreams crashed right in the opener.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

'Twas the analyst's comments, not mine, and he pretty much already stated that their national championship hopes are all but flushed down the toilet, which I am in 100% agreement with, so there's nothing new there.

And as people in here might think I have drain bamage for this upcoming statement, the season is not completely lost. I know the loss will sting, and sting big, and will never go away. But winning the Big 10 and beating OSU means they get into the BCS if I'm not mistaken.

I know you got to think big and as high as you can, and I know I attended a school with slim/no chance to win a National Championship, but there are still several goals that are attainable to make a great season.

[timothy1997 0]

And as people in here might think I have drain bamage for this upcoming statement, the season is not completely lost. I know the loss will sting, and sting big, and will never go away. But winning the Big 10 and beating OSU means they get into the BCS if I'm not mistaken.

I know you got to think big and as high as you can, and I know I attended a school with slim/no chance to win a National Championship, but there are still several goals that are attainable to make a great season.

Agreed, thats why i said Michigan's best bet is to win out and make the Rose Bowl. It was Eva that said Michigan still had an outside shot at the championship game.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

And if people think I don't get what having National Championship expectations are, I do understand, or at least I think I do despite coming from a smaller school.

I live in a place close to a school where many people are already handing LSU the keys to the Nattional Championship game, despite a QB (who while is pretty good) needs a lot more work still, and hasn't even played Virginia Tech, Florida, Arkansas, and at Alabama yet.

I like LSU a lot, I will rarely miss a game, but the talk and hoopla down here is so over the top and just about every LSU fan is obnoxious thinking their team is going to win it all and thinking the SEC and their teams is the greatest thing since the Roman Empire. It's the same thing with the New Orleans Saints right now as well. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but you see where I'm getting at...

And I don't want this to turn into an SEC vs. Big 10 vs. Big 12 vs. any conference debate. The SEC is certainly good, the Big 10 is also a helluva conference, etc. etc.

I certainly get and understand expectations and the talk, especially from down here. And honestly, I wish people down in my neck of the woods would just shut the f**k up sometimes about it and not get ahead of themselves. I get it indeed.

My parents treated me to dinner Friday night for my b'day and we struck a conversation up about two of their good friends, and it eventually led to how "it might be their last chance to see an undefeated LSU team beat Arkansas over Thanksgiving". I swear, if I saw their friends that night, I would've strangled them. The talk is absolutely insane sometimes.

Edited September 3, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[timothy1997 0]

LSU is a damn good football team but it is still a long season. LSU can easily lose to Florida or Alabama and they could slaughter them all. Like Saturday showed Michigan fans, you can't predict how these games are gonna go.

Since no one is really talking about Michigan State, I will post my opinions on last saturday's game against UAB. MSU got off to the start they needed. The running game impressed me on how they just ran, ran, ran the ball. Caulcrick and Ringer very well could be the best 1-2 tailback combo in NCAA. Still just UAB but I like what I see from the new coach.

[Viperar 16]

Florida State University falls to the Clemson Tigers....always good in my book

GJ clemson

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Florida State University falls to the Clemson Tigers....always good in my book

GJ clemson

I agree.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I watched the FSU/CLEM game. Clemson hands down has the best RB duo in the nation. Those guys are blazing fast, and fun to watch!