kidish 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) When has Getzlaf had to carry an entire team offensively without much help around him? Pretty much all last season. Iginla had far more help than Getzlaf did. (Bobby Ryan came on board in Anaheim late and didn't play with Getzlaf until the last third of the season.) Getzlaf was Anaheim's fortunes. I don't feel the same way with Iginla, even though I put him above Getz too. He's no doubt a more complete player at this moment, but I think Getz will be better real soon. Oh, and Getzlaf is my vote now, unless he's finally up there. Edited September 15, 2009 by kidish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 Pretty much all last season. Iginla had far more help than Getzlaf did. (Bobby Ryan came on board in Anaheim late and didn't play with Getzlaf until the last third of the season.) Getzlaf was Anaheim's fortunes. I don't feel the same way with Iginla, even though I put him above Getz too. He's no doubt a more complete player at this moment, but I think Getz will be better real soon. Oh, and Getzlaf is my vote now, unless he's finally up there. You're forgetting Corey Perry and Selanne. Also Niedermayer and Pronger. Getzlaf didn't really have to carry them offensively. He was their best offensive player, but there was other help there. Iginla is by far Calgary's best offensive player in my opinion. Cammaleri and Langkow scored points also, but they're not in his class as players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 My vote goes to Luongo. egroen will be pleased. I'm a little surprised no one has mention Thornton, Chara or Lecavalier yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 My vote goes to Luongo. egroen will be pleased. I'm a little surprised no one has mention Thornton, Chara or Lecavalier yet. It would be a bit weird to not have a single goalie in the top 10, considering how important they are. Specific order is tough, and I typically group them in tiers (not listed in any order): Tier 1 Ovechkin Lidstrom Crosby Malkin Datsyuk Tier 2 Luongo Chara Lundqvist Iginla Thornton Getzlaf Zetterberg Brodeur Parise Kovalchuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 Crosby was shut down in the Finals because our team's entire focus was on him and on no one else. That's why the other Pens players beat us. As an overall playoff performance, he was better than any of our forwards, especially Datsyuk. He and Datsyuk have a similar amount of career playoff points, however, Crosby has played half as many games to reach that mark, with much higher expectations than what Datsyuk has had. ... Our defensive strategy against Crosby's line was no different than it was last year, and no different than what we did against Nashville, Dallas, Columbus, Anaheim, and Chicago the past two years, and no different than the typical strategy of pretty much every team in the league: Top defense pair and best defensive forward unit vs opponant's top scoring unit. It's not like Kronwall & Stuart are poor defensively, nor Flip & Hossa. You act like we had 5 guys playing Crosby while ignoring the rest of the team. He may have been better than Datsyuk who missed 4 games (yet still scored only 1 less point), but Zetterberg was better, as was Cleary. Flip, Franzen, Hossa, and even Helm were close even. Doesn't mean any of them are better players, just that Cindy had a s***ty finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 1 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 GETZLAF Hard not to vote Kovie, but seeing Getz during the Wings series was enough for me. He was damn near unstoppable. Tough draw getting them in the 2nd round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 1 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 It would be a bit weird to not have a single goalie in the top 10, considering how important they are. Specific order is tough, and I typically group them in tiers (not listed in any order): Tier 1 Ovechkin Lidstrom Crosby Malkin Datsyuk Tier 2 Luongo Chara Lundqvist Iginla Thornton Getzlaf Zetterberg Brodeur Parise Kovalchuk It seems like we're in a wierd point in time for the NHL. You could argue Luongo should be top 10, but with Brodeur not as dominant as before and the next group coming up not quite established yet we've got a vaccuum of top flight goalies right now. On the flip side we're seeing some of the best forwards the game as seen in a while IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 It would be a bit weird to not have a single goalie in the top 10, considering how important they are. Specific order is tough, and I typically group them in tiers (not listed in any order): Tier 1 Ovechkin Lidstrom Crosby Malkin Datsyuk Tier 2 Luongo Chara Lundqvist Iginla Thornton Getzlaf Zetterberg Brodeur Parise Kovalchuk I could not agree more with the tiering systems or with your choices, we are absolutely on the same page Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kidish 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 You're forgetting Corey Perry and Selanne. Also Niedermayer and Pronger. Getzlaf didn't really have to carry them offensively. He was their best offensive player, but there was other help there. Iginla is by far Calgary's best offensive player in my opinion. Cammaleri and Langkow scored points also, but they're not in his class as players. Iginla IS Calgary's best offensive player, no doubt there. Conversely, Getzlaf is Anaheim's best offensive player too. Even more so than what I've watched of Calgary, the entire Anaheim offense runs through Getzlaf. I discount Corey Perry as a viable threat, since his entire career has been spent getting feeds from Getzlaf. Getz even made someone like Kunitz a contributor, so again I see this as Getz's skill and not Perry's. Selanne only played with Getzlaf on the power play -- and no doubt, he was a finisher there. But he was completely useless in every situation for them the rest of the year. Pronger's offense was terrible the past two seasons. Now I'll give you Niedermayer. But if we start throwing in defenses and goalies, then you can't exactly say Iginla is sitting alone either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Iginla IS Calgary's best offensive player, no doubt there. Conversely, Getzlaf is Anaheim's best offensive player too. Even more so than what I've watched of Calgary, the entire Anaheim offense runs through Getzlaf. I discount Corey Perry as a viable threat, since his entire career has been spent getting feeds from Getzlaf. Getz even made someone like Kunitz a contributor, so again I see this as Getz's skill and not Perry's. Selanne only played with Getzlaf on the power play -- and no doubt, he was a finisher there. But he was completely useless in every situation for them the rest of the year. Pronger's offense was terrible the past two seasons. Now I'll give you Niedermayer. But if we start throwing in defenses and goalies, then you can't exactly say Iginla is sitting alone either. Perry and Ryan are both good forwards, and Getzlaf wouldn't be the same without those 2 players. You can't discount those players so easily. He makes that line go, but they're not just supporting actors by any means. Also, Pronger was still an offensive force, especially on the PP with that rocket shot. Also, Calgary's defense is terrible offensively, other than Phaneuf, who didn't have a great year. I just don't see Getzlaf as having any huge advantages over Iginla, except youth and passing ability. In every other area, I'd take Iginla. Edited September 15, 2009 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 It would be a bit weird to not have a single goalie in the top 10, considering how important they are. Specific order is tough, and I typically group them in tiers (not listed in any order): Tier 1 Ovechkin Lidstrom Crosby Malkin Datsyuk Tier 2 Luongo Chara Lundqvist Iginla Thornton Getzlaf Zetterberg Brodeur Parise Kovalchuk So are you saying that Lecavalier and St. Louis are 3rd tier players because of one so-so season where they still put up good numbers? I mean 2 years ago, Lecavalier was a Hart candidate and led the league in goals. I don't think he's dropped off the face of the earth that quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 Getzlaf St Louis, Lecavalier, Nash, Carter, Mike Richards, and Mike Green imo would be Tier 2 players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 St Louis, Lecavalier, Nash, Carter, Mike Richards, and Mike Green imo would be Tier 2 players I'd add Spezza, Heatley, Eric Staal, and Hossa to that list as well. Probably Pronger too. Maybe Weber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 So are you saying that Lecavalier and St. Louis are 3rd tier players because of one so-so season where they still put up good numbers? I mean 2 years ago, Lecavalier was a Hart candidate and led the league in goals. I don't think he's dropped off the face of the earth that quickly. You're right... I completely forgot about those two, and would definitely put them in Tier 2. St. Louis especially, is underrated -- he has a great two-way game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Getzlaf St Louis, Lecavalier, Nash, Carter, Mike Richards, and Mike Green imo would be Tier 2 players Nash, Carter, Richards, Green, Neidermayer, Pronger, Heatley, E. Staal, Keith, Spezza, Alfredsson, Hossa, Gaborik and a fair amount more would be in my Tier 3. Edited September 15, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted September 16, 2009 C'mon folks, get those votes in. I only have 14 votes so far, which just isn't going to cut it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted September 16, 2009 GETZLAF is so deserving Im voting for him twice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 16, 2009 It would be a bit weird to not have a single goalie in the top 10, considering how important they are. Specific order is tough, and I typically group them in tiers (not listed in any order): Tier 1 Ovechkin Lidstrom Crosby Malkin Datsyuk Tier 2 Luongo Chara Lundqvist Iginla Thornton Getzlaf Zetterberg Brodeur Parise Kovalchuk I would rank them probably (in alphabetical order): Tier 1 Sidney Crosby, Pit Pavel Datsyuk, Det Nicklas Lidstrom, Det Evgeni Malkin, Pit Alexander Ovechkin, Wsh Henrik Zetterberg, Det Tier 2 Daniel Alfredsson, Otw Niklas Backstrom, Min Martin Brodeur, NJ Zdeno Chara, Bos Ryan Getzlaf, Ana Marian Hossa, Chi Jarome Iginla, Cgy Duncan Keith, Chi Ilya Kovalchuk, Atl Henrik Lundqvist, NYR Scott Niedermayer, Ana Zach Parise, NJ Joe Thornton, SJ Shea Weber, Nsh I reserve the right to change this list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namingway 146 Report post Posted September 16, 2009 Getzlaf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 Luongo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 Zach Parise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 I would rank them probably (in alphabetical order): Tier 1 Sidney Crosby, Pit Pavel Datsyuk, Det Nicklas Lidstrom, Det Evgeni Malkin, Pit Alexander Ovechkin, Wsh Henrik Zetterberg, Det Tier 2 Daniel Alfredsson, Otw Niklas Backstrom, Min Martin Brodeur, NJ Zdeno Chara, Bos Ryan Getzlaf, Ana Marian Hossa, Chi Jarome Iginla, Cgy Duncan Keith, Chi Ilya Kovalchuk, Atl Henrik Lundqvist, NYR Scott Niedermayer, Ana Zach Parise, NJ Joe Thornton, SJ Shea Weber, Nsh I reserve the right to change this list. I don't know, but Heatley deserves to be there... Don't know if you forgot him, but the dude is elite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) I would rank them probably (in alphabetical order): Tier 1 Sidney Crosby, Pit Pavel Datsyuk, Det Nicklas Lidstrom, Det Evgeni Malkin, Pit Alexander Ovechkin, Wsh Henrik Zetterberg, Det Tier 2 Daniel Alfredsson, Otw Niklas Backstrom, Min Martin Brodeur, NJ Zdeno Chara, Bos Ryan Getzlaf, Ana Marian Hossa, Chi Jarome Iginla, Cgy Duncan Keith, Chi Ilya Kovalchuk, Atl Henrik Lundqvist, NYR Scott Niedermayer, Ana Zach Parise, NJ Joe Thornton, SJ Shea Weber, Nsh I reserve the right to change this list. Shea Weber and Duncan Keith 2nd tier? I'm sorry but Spezza, Heatley, Lecavalier, St. Louis, Kane, Toews, Phaneuf,Willie Mitchell, Ohlund, Staal, Nash, and Gaborik all deserve spots ahead of those two guys! Edited September 17, 2009 by StevieY'sguy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 Shea Weber and Duncan Keith 2nd tier? I'm sorry but Spezza, Heatley, Lecavalier, St. Louis, Kane, Toews, Phaneuf,Willie Mitchell, Ohlund, Staal, Nash, and Gaborik all deserve spots ahead of those two guys! Yikes, didn't even notice those players not being there either (Ohlund and Mitchell not so much). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtuhockey7 23 Report post Posted September 17, 2009 I'm going to nominate Toews, don't know how he's not on the list but he's the closest thing to the next Stevie Y/Sakic caliber player in the NHL right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
