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[stevkrause]

EDIT - I think the league got it right - 4 games reported.

The league better get this one right, the puck was already on the stick of his teammate and Horton even looked up, then back over to make sure he wasn't offside when Rome blindsided him, that was a textbook definition of a charge (more than 3 steps away) and now Boston is out one of their top 6 forwards for a bottom pairing/7th dman...

If the league wants to get this right, they'll suspend Rome the remainder of the playoffs

Edited by stevkrause, 07 June 2011 - 12:54 PM.

[Gordie Howe hat trick]

I agree totally, but will they do it? I'm not so sure. Good work NHL.

[toby91_ca]

No way he'll get that much and he shouldn't. Far worse hits have gotten way less.

It wasn't a blindside hit as defined by rule 48. If Horton wasn't hurt, I doubt he'd get anything, but because he was, he'll be suspended, but I doubt for very long, I'm guessing 1-2, perhaps 3 games (but I doubt it).

The league will take into account the fact that he essentially already missed a game because of the game misconduct and the fact that he has a pretty clean record. The fact really going against him is Horton's injury though.

[Crymson]

The league better get this one right, the puck was already on the stick of his teammate and Horton even looked up, then back over to make sure he wasn't offside when Rome blindsided him, that was a textbook definition of a charge (more than 3 steps away) and now Boston is out one of their top 6 forwards for a bottom pairing/7th dman...

If the league wants to get this right, they'll suspend Rome the remainder of the playoffs and at LEAST 3 games to start next season

Horton was watching his own pass. His head was up, he was skating forward, and he was watching the player he'd just passed to. Rome's hit was late by only a second, perhaps even a bit less. The hit wasn't from Horton's blindside, and it wasn't a hit to Horton's head. The damage was done by the manner in which Horton hit the ice.

The penalty was for interference. It was not a charge. A charge is when a player takes more than three strides toward another before hitting the latter. Watch the replay.

In any event, Rome has no history of suspension, and because the hit didn't violate the blindside rule and wasn't a hit to the head, I doubt he'll get more than one game. That Horton got so badly injured is just bad luck; many players have taken that hit and gotten back up.

[puckloo39]

Horton was hurt, and it's not minor. Even if Rome gets suspended for the playoffs (and I think he should), it doesn't compensate the Bruins for the loss of Horton. Not a good trade-off at all.

[stevkrause]

Horton was watching his own pass. His head was up, he was skating forward, and he was watching the player he'd just passed to. Rome's hit was late by only a second, perhaps even a bit less. The hit wasn't from Horton's blindside, and it wasn't a hit to Horton's head. The damage was done by the manner in which Horton hit the ice.

The penalty was for interference. It was not a charge. A charge is when a player takes more than three strides toward another before hitting the latter. Watch the replay.

In any event, Rome has no history of suspension, and because the hit didn't violate the blindside rule and wasn't a hit to the head, I doubt he'll get more than one game. That Horton got so badly injured is just bad luck; many players have taken that hit and gotten back up.

I'm well aware of what a charge is and I think they got the call wrong - It sure looked to me like he took more than 3 strides, also, Horton wasn't "watching his pass", he was checking to make sure he was onside and the hit was way later than "just a second" - That is a hit players need to give up, period. It was an incredibly reckless and careless play on Rome's part.

The game needs respect back and this is becoming laughable, I don't want the game softened up either and I love a good, clean, hard hit and don't even have that big of a problem with the occasionally borderline dirty hit, as long as it's punished accordingly... well accordingly for this one, is 5+ games and since it's the playoffs, I think extra should be tacked on, due to its implications...

No way he'll get that much and he shouldn't. Far worse hits have gotten way less.

It wasn't a blindside hit as defined by rule 48. If Horton wasn't hurt, I doubt he'd get anything, but because he was, he'll be suspended, but I doubt for very long, I'm guessing 1-2, perhaps 3 games (but I doubt it).

The league will take into account the fact that he essentially already missed a game because of the game misconduct and the fact that he has a pretty clean record. The fact really going against him is Horton's injury though.

Doesn't need to be "blindside", it was a clearly targeted shot to the head of a helpless player and those are the shots the game needs to remove

Edited by stevkrause, 07 June 2011 - 11:35 AM.

[Crymson]

I'm well aware of what a charge is and I think they got the call wrong - It sure looked to me like he took more than 3 strides, also, Horton wasn't "watching his pass", he was checking to make sure he was onside and the hit was way later than "just a second"

You're wrong...



This isn't the horribly dirty hit you're playing it out to be. It was an illegal hit, sure, but what's getting it attention is that Horton was hurt. If he weren't hurt, it would have been a two-minute penalty for interference and this thread wouldn't exist. Bear in mind too that many players are injured on clean hits.

The game needs respect back and this is becoming laughable, I don't want the game softened up either and I love a good, clean, hard hit and don't even have that big of a problem with the occasionally borderline dirty hit, as long as it's punished accordingly... well accordingly for this one, is 5+ games and since it's the playoffs, I think extra should be tacked on, due to its implications...

How is "accordingly" 5+ games for a hit like this? One is not punished based on the severity of the injury.

Doesn't need to be "blindside" it was a clearly targeted shot to the head of a helpless player - re-read the rule.

Everyone in the hockey analysis world disagrees with you.

[stevkrause]

You're wrong...



This isn't the horribly dirty hit you're playing it out to be. It was an illegal hit, sure, but what's getting it attention is that Horton was hurt. If he weren't hurt, it would have been a two-minute penalty for interference and this thread wouldn't exist. Bear in mind too that many players are injured on clean hits.



How is "accordingly" 5+ games for a hit like this? One is not punished based on the severity of the injury.



Everyone in the hockey analysis world disagrees with you.

A player crossing the blue line, who DOESN'T have the puck, making sure he is onside, isn't helpless to you?

People who actually respect their opponents and don't want quality players heads getting taken off on dirty hits, don't agree with me, so, no, "everyone" in the hockey analysis world does not disagree with me...

Also, the 5+ games is subjective and may be steep, but I think they need to send a message at some point and have fallen short at doing so thus far... I can see an argument for him to not have a carry over into next season, but to suggest that he should not miss the remainder of the SCF is shortsighted and narrow-minded...

[40#1Fan]

Rome Gets A Four Game Suspension
Blog: KK Hockey By Paul

06/07/11 at 12:37 PM ET | Comments (2)


via Dan Murphy tweet,

NHL suspends Canucks Aaron Rome 4 games for hit on Nathan Horton in game 3 of Stanley Cup Final.

[hillbillywingsfan]

You're wrong...



This isn't the horribly dirty hit you're playing it out to be. It was an illegal hit, sure, but what's getting it attention is that Horton was hurt. If he weren't hurt, it would have been a two-minute penalty for interference and this thread wouldn't exist. Bear in mind too that many players are injured on clean hits.



How is "accordingly" 5+ games for a hit like this? One is not punished based on the severity of the injury.



Everyone in the hockey analysis world disagrees with you.

I agree with you on this. Yes it was a tad late..barely. was not a shot to the head. I think some people need to "re-watch" the video a little more close and not have the hate on for the nucks when watching. I think if any 1-2 games...thats it. But thats just me.


well there you go. 4 games.

Edited by hillbillywingsfan, 07 June 2011 - 11:46 AM.

[stevkrause]

Rome Gets A Four Game Suspension
Blog: KK Hockey By Paul

06/07/11 at 12:37 PM ET | Comments (2)


via Dan Murphy tweet,

NHL suspends Canucks Aaron Rome 4 games for hit on Nathan Horton in game 3 of Stanley Cup Final.

Seems fair all things considered - I'm surprised they actually got it right...

[40#1Fan]

added 12:45pm,

BOSTON (June 7, 2011)— Vancouver Canucks defenseman Aaron Rome has been suspended for four games for delivering a late hit to Boston Bruins forward Nathan Horton in Game Three of the Stanley Cup Final, the National Hockey League announced today.

“Two factors were considered in reaching this decision,” said NHL Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy. “The hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury.”

Rome was assessed a five-minute major penalty for interference and game misconduct at 5:07 of the first period.

Rome will miss the remainder of the Stanley Cup Final series. In the event that the Final ends before Game 7, the suspension will carry over to the start of the 2011-12 regular season.

[Dano33]

A player crossing the blue line, who DOESN'T have the puck, making sure he is onside, isn't helpless to you?

People who actually respect their opponents and don't want quality players heads getting taken off on dirty hits, don't agree with me, so, no, "everyone" in the hockey analysis world does not disagree with me...

Also, the 5+ games is subjective and may be steep, but I think they need to send a message at some point and have fallen short at doing so thus far... I can see an argument for him to not have a carry over into next season, but to suggest that he should not miss the remainder of the SCF is shortsighted and narrow-minded...

I don't get the "checking to make sure he was onside" argument. What was he checking? You don't take a second to look around to make sure you're onsides, you just have to know. The linesman will let you know if you're offsides.

Having said that, I still think the hit was dirty, but 5+ games is a little ridiculous in my mind. Both players hold some blame, but Rome ultimately made the decision to hit him late. If it were up to me I'd give him 2, maybe 3, games.

[Crymson]

A player crossing the blue line, who DOESN'T have the puck, making sure he is onside, isn't helpless to you?

It's unfortunate that you're so blindly attached to your point to the extent that you're willing to ignore clear video evidence. Horton kept his eyes on Lucic after making the pass. He was not attempting to ensure that he was still onside; he was watching Lucic, and in any event, Lucic had already entered the zone and was ahead of him. Further--in case you somehow weren't aware of this--hockey players need to keep their heads up.

People who actually respect their opponents and don't want quality players heads getting taken off on dirty hits, don't agree with me, so, no, "everyone" in the hockey analysis world does not disagree with me...

Everyone in the hockey analysis world disagrees with your claim that it was a violation of rule 48.

Also, the 5+ games is subjective and may be steep, but I think they need to send a message at some point and have fallen short at doing so thus far... I can see an argument for him to not have a carry over into next season, but to suggest that he should not miss the remainder of the SCF is shortsighted and narrow-minded...

Given that you're now insulting those who disagree with you, I think you're looking more for agreement with your ranting and less for any sort of actual discussion.

added 12:45pm,

BOSTON (June 7, 2011)— Vancouver Canucks defenseman Aaron Rome has been suspended for four games for delivering a late hit to Boston Bruins forward Nathan Horton in Game Three of the Stanley Cup Final, the National Hockey League announced today.

“Two factors were considered in reaching this decision,” said NHL Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy. “The hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury.”

Note the portion in bold. That's why this suspension occurred. If Horton had fallen differently and not been injured, there would have been no suspension. If Horton had been injured and it had been Bieksa laying the hit, there would have been perhaps a one-game suspension. But since it's a depth defenseman who injured a star player, it's a long suspension.

Well, whatever.

Edited by Crymson, 07 June 2011 - 12:09 PM.

[jollymania]

It was less than a second late, it was a clean hit, and even if you want it to be interference, they should still fine horton for not having a f***'s clue of where he was on the ice.

[CopenhagenWing]

I'm surprised he got four games. The hit was late and you could argue that it was an unnecessary hit to make but at least 50 per cent of all hits are.

That said, Horton has got to protect himself better.

[clearlybetter11]

It's honestly pathetic that people are taken back so much by this hit. The hit was obviously late but besides it's timing it was a perfect open ice hit. There is a difference between coming from the blindside, and hitting someone head on when they're not paying attention. Should have been an interference penalty and nothing else. Rome led with the shoulder, you can''t punish someone for hitting too hard thats like suspending Datsyuk for stick handling too good. It sucks that Horton got hurt but next time he will be more aware when he is crossing the blue line.

[Mitchmac33]

Note the portion in bold. That's why this suspension occurred. If Horton had fallen differently and not been injured, there would have been no suspension. If Horton had been injured and it had been Bieksa laying the hit, there would have been perhaps a one-game suspension. But since it's a depth defenseman who injured a star player, it's a long suspension.

Well, whatever.

Exactly. I think the NHL made the correct call on this tho. Since it was a dirty hit, in a such a crucial time (being the scf) the offender should be out just as long. Dirty in the fact that it was illegal.

It was less than a second late, it was a clean hit, and even if you want it to be interference, they should still fine horton for not having a f***'s clue of where he was on the ice.

Is this a serious statement? I mean the first part, obviously the second part isn't

[F.Michael]

Horton was watching his own pass. His head was up, he was skating forward, and he was watching the player he'd just passed to. Rome's hit was late by only a second, perhaps even a bit less. The hit wasn't from Horton's blindside, and it wasn't a hit to Horton's head. The damage was done by the manner in which Horton hit the ice.

The penalty was for interference. It was not a charge. A charge is when a player takes more than three strides toward another before hitting the latter. Watch the replay.

In any event, Rome has no history of suspension, and because the hit didn't violate the blindside rule and wasn't a hit to the head, I doubt he'll get more than one game. That Horton got so badly injured is just bad luck; many players have taken that hit and gotten back up.

Agreed...1 game, maybe 2 games IMO.

[jollymania]

Exactly. I think the NHL made the correct call on this tho. Since it was a dirty hit, in a such a crucial time (being the scf) the offender should be out just as long. Dirty in the fact that it was illegal.


Is this a serious statement? I mean the first part, obviously the second part isn't

first statement was fact, 2nd was opinion, 3rd was sort-of opinion, 4th was serious, maybe not about the fine but it was horton's fault ultimately over anything else that he is injured, that would also be a fact

Edited by jollymania, 07 June 2011 - 12:26 PM.