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#1 Crymson

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:14 PM

So, with how Smith has been playing, and with the acquisition of Quincey, it's going to be an interesting picture when Kindl and Ericsson return from injury. I'm thinking that both of them will be left in reserve; Smith is simply playing too well right now.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:16 PM

I don't think Quincey was spectacular tonight... Smith is good
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

Smith played incredibly well. Depth is good.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

Smith should have been starting all season over those two.

I still don't know why Holland paid so much money to Ericsson, when he could easily be replaced with guys like Smith, Kindl, or any other defenseman we sign in the offseason.

EDIT: Forgot about Quincey. He's another reason why Ericsson should have no place on this team in the future. However, now we could be stuck paying 3.5 million to a guy who's not even in the starting lineup. Bad move by Holland either way you look at it.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:24 PM

It will be good in the offseason to have eight NHL-caliber defensemen.

Smith should have been starting all season over those two.

I still don't know why Holland paid so much money to Ericsson, when he could easily be replaced with guys like Smith, Kindl, or any other defenseman we sign in the offseason.


Given the weakness of the UFA class last offseason, he couldn't really afford to leave a big gap on defense. Kindl was unproven. Had Rafalski not retired, and had White been brought in anyway, Ericsson would have been unnecessary.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:29 PM

It will be good in the offseason to have eight NHL-caliber defensemen.



Given the weakness of the UFA class last offseason, he couldn't really afford to leave a big gap on defense. Kindl was unproven. Had Rafalski not retired, and had White been brought in anyway, Ericsson would have been unnecessary.


Maybe, but that's his job. The forecast didn't turn out right in this case.

I don't remember if Ericsson has a no-trade clause, or if anyone will want him even if he doesn't have one. But like I said, we're likely stuck paying that big contract to a guy who'll be scratched a lot. Kind of like Jeff Finger.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:30 PM

I don't want to see Smith come out of the line-up. He has game breaking ability as shown tonight, calmness under pressure, and can throw down when called upon :thumbup:

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:34 PM

I don't want to see Smith come out of the line-up. He has game breaking ability as shown tonight, calmness under pressure, and can throw down when called upon :thumbup:


This. Don't want to see another game this season without him in the line-up. I think he's been THAT good.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:36 PM

If Smith comes out of the lineup I will be livid..this kid is NHL ready right now and should never play another game in the AHL. Ericsson is servicable and would be useful to us or some other teams but that contract is going to be hard to unload. He is instantly more attractive because he has played for a good team and been groomed properly but that contract is a little bit much.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:38 PM

So, with how Smith has been playing, and with the acquisition of Quincey, it's going to be an interesting picture when Kindl and Ericsson return from injury. I'm thinking that both of them will be left in reserve; Smith is simply playing too well right now.

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I would love for Smith to remain in the lineup, but that would require Ericsson to sit. Although E is not as good as he has shown to be in previous years, I don't know if Holland will allow Babcock to have $3M+ sitting in the press box as a healthy scratch. I hope Smith and Quincey make up the #5/6 slots, but I just don't see Ericsson not playing when healthy...that's too bad.

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As a matter of fact if both Stuart and Lidstrom leave next year, this is the lineup I want to see:

Suter-Kronwall
White-Quincey
Smith-Ericsson
Kindl

I can do without either or both of E and Kindl, but not too sure who would replace them.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:45 PM

I would love for Smith to remain in the lineup, but that would require Ericsson to sit. Although E is not as good as he has shown to be in previous years, I don't know if Holland will allow Babcock to have $3M+ sitting in the press box as a healthy scratch. I hope Smith and Quincey make up the #5/6 slots, but I just don't see Ericsson not playing when healthy...that's too bad.

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As a matter of fact if both Stuart and Lidstrom leave next year, this is the lineup I want to see:

Suter-Kronwall
White-Quincey
Smith-Ericsson
Kindl

I can do without either or both of E and Kindl, but not too sure who would replace them.


It'd be hard losing both Lidstrom and Stuart in the offseason.

And there's no telling if we'd get Suter. There will be a lot of teams after him, and we are no longer in the pre-salary cap era, where Detroit can just throw him the biggest contract.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:45 PM

Not long ago, we were this high on Ericsson, insisting that he be brought up because he played so well.

I agree that we have a gem in Smith, and I hope to see him up with us. I just hope we don't expect too much like we did with E so that even if he's just average at first it seems like a bigger disappointment than it would have been otherwise.

If an unheralded d-man played like E, we'd be ok with it. E's unrealized potential and his contract make him seem worse than he is.

I'm still not sold on Kindl. I don't know why, but he does not inspire my confidence.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:50 PM

It'd be hard losing both Lidstrom and Stuart in the offseason.

And there's no telling if we'd get Suter. There will be a lot of teams after him, and we are no longer in the pre-salary cap era, where Detroit can just throw him the biggest contract.

I agree, but I figure maybe with the combined total of Lids and Stuart's money, they may be able to offer Suter $8M long term....dunno, I certainly hope if they both go, that Holland goes after someone big time!
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:51 PM

I would love for Smith to remain in the lineup, but that would require Ericsson to sit. Although E is not as good as he has shown to be in previous years, I don't know if Holland will allow Babcock to have $3M+ sitting in the press box as a healthy scratch.


I'm pretty sure Holland's #1 priority is to win, so I think he couldn't care less if Ericsson sat in the press box if such made the chances of victory higher. Holland's goal is for the Wings to win it all, not for him to get the best value for players` salaries.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:05 PM

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

Smith is playing well and he will only get better. On the other hand Kindl and Ericsson have had every opportunity to prove that they are worthy. Unfortunately that has not been the case. I see more upside in Kindle than in Ericsson. I do not know how much longer the Wings will be experimenting with E. in any case would love to see Smith staying.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:14 PM

I've never been a big Ericsson fan, but I don't blame Holland for his contract. It was based more on the over inflated market for guys like Wisniewski and Ehrhoff, than his skills.

Crymson already mentioned it: The market was weak and over inflated, Kindl and Smith were unproven, and Rafalski retired.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:21 PM

I've never been a big Ericsson fan, but I don't blame Holland for his contract. It was based more on the over inflated market for guys like Wisniewski and Ehrhoff, than his skills.

Crymson already mentioned it: The market was weak and over inflated, Kindl and Smith were unproven, and Rafalski retired.

I agree. Every team has at least one player that they are overpaying for the skills and services provided. We are blessed to have just big E.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:23 PM

I agree. Every team has at least one player that they are overpaying for the skills and services provided. We are blessed to have just big E.

And it's only a 3 year deal. Imagine being stuck with the Wisniewski or Ehrhoff deals?
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:25 PM

And it's only a 3 year deal. Imagine being stuck with the Wisniewski or Ehrhoff deals?

Thank god that did not happen. Kenny did a great job by not getting them.




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