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What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

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I'll go with a less common suggestion: we need a big, strong shut-down centre who has elite face-off numbers. Helm's almost that guy but he's pretty small.

Kind of like a certain player Nashville obtained at the deadline? ;)

What a coincidence, Konopka is a UFA this summer.

What a coincidence, Gaustad is also a UFA this summer.

I would be ecstatic if we were able to obtain either of these two guys for our fourth line. I've wanted Konopka for a couple of years now.

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I think the first litmus test is whether Lidstrom comes back or not. Whether he does or not says a lot about Holland's vision and plan for next year. If Lids feel inspired to come back for one more ... we can all have faith. But if after hearing from Kenny, even Lids doesn't believe in it and retires then we're likely to see a few years of drought coming. Lidstrom's decision is the first litmus test.

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What a coincidence, Gaustad is also a UFA this summer.

I would be ecstatic if we were able to obtain either of these two guys for our fourth line. I've wanted Konopka for a couple of years now.

Gaustad would be great but he’s a flavour of the week type guy. Personally, I want signings that aren’t so obvious. I always find it cool when they go off the grid (Although I’d make an exception with Parise).

What the hell ever happened to the days of Holland bringing in hungry, unproven guys like Samuelson, Lilja, and Cleary? Did Kenny just get lucky?

I think the first litmus test is whether Lidstrom comes back or not. Whether he does or not says a lot about Holland's vision and plan for next year. If Lids feel inspired to come back for one more ... we can all have faith. But if after hearing from Kenny, even Lids doesn't believe in it and retires then we're likely to see a few years of drought coming. Lidstrom's decision is the first litmus test.

I see your logic. Lidstrom has already said that he feels he can play another season, and that it’s more of a question of weather or not the drive a motivation to excel is there. Kenny needs to excite the man.

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Gaustad would be great but he’s a flavour of the week type guy. Personally, I want signings that aren’t so obvious. I always find it cool when they go off the grid

Gaustad is going to price himself out of our market, IF, he doesn't re-sign with Nashville. Remember, they gave up a lot to get him, chances are they try to keep him. Only exception would be if they win The Cup, and then he may become more expendable. But that would just raise his price that much more. I would think that we could sign Moen, Gregory Campbell, and Konopka for roughly the same price as we could get Gaustad. Those three in our bottom six would definitely make us a tougher team to play against. Of course, that's assuming that they make it to July 1st.

I don't think that fixes our sniper problem, but $3-4 million spent on support players, could really help pick up a team that seems to lose it's focus easily. Plus I'm sick of seeing us get run over, and nobody stands up for the team.

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According to Jimmy D, Holland's off-season plan will be as follows:

1. Get bigger and tougher to play against

2. Add a scorer

3. Add a defensemen

4. Upgrade the back-up goalie position

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2012/05/wed_like_to_get_a_bit_bigger_a.html

"Certainly we'd like to get a bit bigger and a little tougher. We'd like to get a little bigger size-wise and a little tougher. We really prefer tougher players who can play the game, not just somebody who can play two-three minutes and fight.

Encouraging read. You've got to feel like there will be intense pressure from the top down for Holland to work his balls off this summer.

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Gaustad is going to price himself out of our market, IF, he doesn't re-sign with Nashville. Remember, they gave up a lot to get him, chances are they try to keep him. Only exception would be if they win The Cup, and then he may become more expendable. But that would just raise his price that much more. I would think that we could sign Moen, Gregory Campbell, and Konopka for roughly the same price as we could get Gaustad. Those three in our bottom six would definitely make us a tougher team to play against. Of course, that's assuming that they make it to July 1st.

I don't think that fixes our sniper problem, but $3-4 million spent on support players, could really help pick up a team that seems to lose it's focus easily. Plus I'm sick of seeing us get run over, and nobody stands up for the team.

I'm in a real pessimistic mood today :P

I get the feeling the bold above will be a common phrase used by Holland this summer/fall - especially when ya consider there's no idea where the cap (if there is a hard cap) will be as of the 15th of September.

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Milan Lucic, go?

You never know. With the way he and the Bruins struggled in the 1st round, they might be willing to make changes.

With Jimmy D's comments though, I fully expect to see a couple Travis Moen/Gregory Campbell types signed. Guys that can scrap, PK and pot a few goals.

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Milan Lucic, go?

I always thought this guy was awesome. I don't know what it would take to get boson to give him up though. I think he is exactly the kind of player the Wings need right now.

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Ok Jimmy...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m)

Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($1.500m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)

Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Matt Carkner ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Josh Harding ($1.500m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,550,379; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $449,621

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According to Jimmy D, Holland's off-season plan will be as follows:

1. Get bigger and tougher to play against

2. Add a scorer

3. Add a defensemen

4. Upgrade the back-up goalie position

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2012/05/wed_like_to_get_a_bit_bigger_a.html

Encouraging read. You've got to feel like there will be intense pressure from the top down for Holland to work his balls off this summer.

Sounds promising but seriously, how many times have we heard "get bigger and tougher" only to see half-assed attempts at it like bringing in Brad May's little ass or bringing Abby up from the minors. I'll be excited when I see something more than lip service from the Wings brass.

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Ok Jimmy...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m)

Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($1.500m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)

Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Matt Carkner ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Josh Harding ($1.500m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,550,379; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $449,621

Looks good. Might want to keep Bertuzzi.

Moen - Konopka - Bertuzzi

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FORWARDS

Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($6.500m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / David Jones ($2.750m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Darren Helm ($1.200m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)

Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)

DEFENSEMEN

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($6.500m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)/Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)

Kyle Quincey ($3.350m)/ Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Josh Harding ($1.000m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,533,379; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,466,621

I also left left space under the cap in case it takes more to sign some of the UFAs so the posters who automatically assume Parise/Suter will sign for absurd contracts don't jump down my throat.

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Ok Jimmy...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m)

Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($1.500m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)

Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Matt Carkner ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Josh Harding ($1.500m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,550,379; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $449,621

Problem with this is that you're assuming Parise takes a million dollars less per year just to come here. I don't see that happening. And I think were Parise goes, Suter goes. That's the ***** of it; and we know Kenny Holland won't pony up the dough that other teams will.

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FORWARDS

Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($6.500m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / David Jones ($2.750m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Darren Helm ($1.200m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)

Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)

DEFENSEMEN

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($6.500m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m)/Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)

Kyle Quincey ($3.350m)/ Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Josh Harding ($1.000m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,533,379; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,466,621

I also left left space under the cap in case it takes more to sign some of the UFAs so the posters who automatically assume Parise/Suter will sign for absurd contracts don't jump down my throat.

Parise and Suter will not take 6.5. It just won't happen.

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How do you think a front-loaded long term deal works?

First of all, love the name/picture. Tombstone.. Great movie. Secondly, I think he'll get a 5-6 year deal with 7-8 Million throughout. He'll be 34 at the end of his new deal if he signs a six year contract.. No need to front load it, especially for teams who will have a lot of cap space in the years to come.

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Problem with this is that you're assuming Parise takes a million dollars less per year just to come here. I don't see that happening. And I think were Parise goes, Suter goes. That's the ***** of it; and we know Kenny Holland won't pony up the dough that other teams will.

Parise and Suter will not take 6.5. It just won't happen.

I love how posters like you express your opinion as though it is fact. You may be of the opinion that it will take $7.5-8M/yr to get each of Suter and Parise and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that is what will happen. It also doesn't mean that an opinion of it taking $6.5-7/yr (which both the poster before me and I had especially if you read the whole post) to get each of them is wrong.

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I love how posters like you express your opinion as though it is fact. You may be of the opinion that it will take $7.5-8M/yr to get each of Suter and Parise and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that is what will happen. It also doesn't mean that an opinion of it taking $6.5-7/yr (which both the poster before me and I had especially if you read the whole post) to get each of them is wrong.

Why the hell would Zach Parise take 6.5 Million?? He makes 6 Million right now and that was generous of him to take that little. He's an elite talent and this FA class is thin at best. To think he won't get at least 7 is crazy.

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Why the hell would Zach Parise take 6.5 Million??

To be a key part of a killer roster that looks poised to win the Cup in 2013?

Mind you, I don't think he'll end up settling for 6.5. But, well, you asked why he might do it.

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To be a key part of a killer roster that looks poised to win the Cup in 2013?

Mind you, I don't think he'll end up settling for 6.5. But, well, you asked why he might do it.

Yeah I can't possibly see him settling for so little. Especially because your opinion and my opinion of the roster are different. You see a killer roster, a see a roster that will have to claw to make the playoffs next year let alone contend for a cup. We just have too many old players and a lack of stellar NHL ready prospects with which to replace them like we did last time around. We still have a couple years of possible contention but in 2-3 years we're going to drop out of contention and we're going to have to rebuild through the draft.

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Yeah I can't possibly see him settling for so little. Especially because your opinion and my opinion of the roster are different. You see a killer roster, a see a roster that will have to claw to make the playoffs next year let alone contend for a cup. We just have too many old players and a lack of stellar NHL ready prospects with which to replace them like we did last time around. We still have a couple years of possible contention but in 2-3 years we're going to drop out of contention and we're going to have to rebuild through the draft.

Agreed.

I gotta be honest here...The Wings have been on a steady decline these past few years...UFA's will take notice, and for some - the grass may look alot greener elsewhere.

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