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2012 Lockout Watch

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like darren dreger mentioned on twitter. the real negotiations won't begin until september 10, right before the cba expires. it always takes right down to crunch time for these guys to get serious.

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George Malik has coined my new favorite term - "TaliBettman." LOVE IT! Everything about this offseason has been, well, off. Signings taking forever, CBA talks moving along like a rookie trying to learn how to drive a clutch. Can't take a whole lot more.

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From Sportsnet:

Don Fehr says that collective bargaining talks with the league are "recessed."

The executive director of the NHL Players' Association said the NHL requested the hiatus after the union presented its latest proposal.

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If you want to get technical, it is only an option for the union. Even if they exercise it, their average share for the life of the new CBA will certainly be lower than 57%. Also, the definition of the hockey related revenue is being changed, so the players would get 57% of the lesser total, which would be a defacto decrease in salary.

Not to mention the fact, that the current system was put in place by the NHL, who used the last lockout to roll over the players union and force them to accept this CBA. If you listened to Bettman speeches then, the expiring CBA was going to set he economic house of hockey in order. :ninja: And now the system they devised is suddenly favoring the players? FYI, average share of wages, salaries etc. in all the other industries of American economy is near 70%. So the owners are already getting a good deal.

What it amounts to is that the league appears to try to shake down the players at the end of each CBA period for as much as they can get away with. And lock them out if they resist. Rinse, lather, repeat every 4-5 years.

Personally, I resent their bully tactics that result in my loss of enjoyment of my favorite sport.

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I cried through the last half of that video. The beautiful game...indeed.

I hope and pray daily that they settle their differences and the boys, united, take the ice this season.

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The new proposal is just another way for the dwarf to say screw you. Does this moron really believe Fehr would stupid enough to not see the rollback?

I am starting to think some owners gave out these huge contracts expecting the players to take less again.

They won't roll over this time Europe would be more than happy to welcome them back. We need a new commiSsioner asap.

Owners should be embarassed by this offer.

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Cried and then tweeted that video. I know that even if it goes viral it probably won't change anything but it was really well made.

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I hope Fehr accepts Bettman's bid of 46% of league revenues under a few conditions: no salary rollbacks, and there must be a "soft cap" with "luxury tax" implemented.

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#nolockout

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made with a lot of skill but still lame in its spirit. There are few guys running this league and giving players their contracts. They will do whatever they want. Players must be pleased that they were not offered 20-80 revenew share with strict cap at 40M. And those thinking that these are indeed fans bringing all these money to the owners, think again. If you're a fan you'll buy their product irrespective of how long it takes to get the season running simply because hockey is a unique sport. If you don't care about hockey you don't even know that there is a chance of lockout. Uniting and the rest of bla-bla-bla only matters for NHLPA bosses whose main aim is to get their salaries and not look pathetic in the process.

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In the event that there is a lockout, would the Detroit-Toronto Winter Classic be postponed until next season, or would they choose two new teams?

It would make sense to go with the teams they've chosen, but it would also make sense to not have a lock out, so there you go...

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I hope Fehr accepts Bettman's bid of 46% of league revenues under a few conditions: no salary rollbacks, and there must be a "soft cap" with "luxury tax" implemented.

I do not see how it is possible to players share of revenues to drop from 57% to 46% and not have salary rollbacks. Players are not going to get the full value from the contracts they have signed. They can name this process however they want but it amount to the same thing - less money for players.

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The new proposal is just another way for the dwarf to say screw you. Does this moron really believe Fehr would stupid enough to not see the rollback?

I am starting to think some owners gave out these huge contracts expecting the players to take less again.

They won't roll over this time Europe would be more than happy to welcome them back. We need a new commiSsioner asap.

Owners should be embarassed by this offer.

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That's the thing. Bettman and the league keep saying how only 12 teams are profitable.

Are the Devils and their ridiculous contract for Kovalchuk profitable?

Are the Wild with the two giant contracts they just took on in Suter and Parise?

Or the Preds when they gave Weber $110 million over 14 years?

Or the Hurricanes who gave Semin a $7 million deal?

The owners are doing this to themselves and each other, yet expect the players to bear most of the burden for fixing their idiocy.

Reduce the players share by a few percentage points (keep in mind owners are reducing what constitutes HRR so even if the percentage were the same, the owners are getting more money). Put a reasonable limit on contract length of 7 or 8 years to make it harder for GM's to circumvent the cap like they have been. Increase revenue sharing if the owners really do want to help these struggling franchises. Minor tweaks to most other things. Play hockey.

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I do not see how it is possible to players share of revenues to drop from 57% to 46% and not have salary rollbacks. Players are not going to get the full value from the contracts they have signed. They can name this process however they want but it amount to the same thing - less money for players.

With a "soft cap" in place, and a "luxury tax" some teams will most likely be over the cap season after season.

Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Philadelphia, NY Rangers, Boston, and Chicago are teams right off the top of my head that would most likely be "guilty" of going over the cap on a regular basis.

Personally I don't feel the players should have to take any "rollback"; there wasn't any firearm pointed at the noggins of the GM's who helped orchestrate these big contracts - therefore IMHO the team should bear the financial burden...If the team is over the cap - then trade the player, or pay the amount deemed appropriate for going over the cap.

Just my dos pesos.

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That's the thing. Bettman and the league keep saying how only 12 teams are profitable.

Are the Devils and their ridiculous contract for Kovalchuk profitable?

Are the Wild with the two giant contracts they just took on in Suter and Parise?

Or the Preds when they gave Weber $110 million over 14 years?

Or the Hurricanes who gave Semin a $7 million deal?

The owners are doing this to themselves and each other, yet expect the players to bear most of the burden for fixing their idiocy.

Reduce the players share by a few percentage points (keep in mind owners are reducing what constitutes HRR so even if the percentage were the same, the owners are getting more money). Put a reasonable limit on contract length of 7 or 8 years to make it harder for GM's to circumvent the cap like they have been. Increase revenue sharing if the owners really do want to help these struggling franchises. Minor tweaks to most other things. Play hockey.

It should be pretty simple (in my mind anyway). Many of the owners are circumventing the cap that they won in the last go round. Stop the circumvention by prohibiting the "averaging" of the yearly salaries. If a player signs a 4 year contract and is paid $10M, $5M, and $4M and $1M respectively, the cap hit should be $10M, $5M, $4M and $1M. With the current system the cap hit is $5m, $5M, $5M, $5M. Chances are he retires in the last year so the team has paid him $19M in 3 years but only used up $15M of cap space in 3 years. In the common sense scenario cap hit = actual salary. Secondly, bonuses have to count as part of the salary.

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Get rid of the cap. The league has sucked since the cap. Share revenue to allow smaller markets to keep their teams. Allow bigger markets to spend at will to keep bigger markets with more fans winning.

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Twelve teams turning a profit means eighteen teams that are not. Why should the players be made to take less of an offer, just so the "fiscally irresponsible" group of eighteen can continue to pretend that they know what they're doing? "League money" is what has kept Glendale on life support for so long. The owners "love" Uncle Gary; no one else does.

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im told the ave ticket price for the NHL is $47.82. So if the joe sells out the rev for a game is $977'615.52.

this gives the Wings and annual turnover of $40'082'236.32. In my view 75% of this should be a teams cap.

The yearly gate receipt's of each individual team should be the only finance that keeps the franchise operating. The other 25% should be for club staff's wages and the running of the arena. This would insure that teams are stable and can run independant of any sponsorship monies they may get from various companies. This maybe a to simple solution to it all, in my view the CBA just over complicates the running of the sport.

Any sponsorship money could go towards team bonus for that year.ie if the reach the playoffs each roster player gets a % of the total monies

and it rises with each round they advance.

So the Wings would have a roster of 23 players with a total of $30'061677.24 to play with. Nice and simple for any GM to work with eh?

I know that they'll be suggestions to get around it, putting up seat prices to increase a teams potential cap. But if you go on last seasons total

attendance is next years cap this would stop that happening for a year, and eventually stop it altogether. Bigger arenas the way to go then for

a bigger team cap? only if your confident you can sell the tickets. All 30 teams would be viable and no one offering a hand out to bail teams out.

Lets face it, the player wages are a problem the way things are going. The min wage for 11-12 was $525'000, now i dont no about you but that

would do most people as a 10 year salary let alone a year so its not as if the lowe tier players are living off scraps. So how the hell guys on $3m+

a year survive god only knows :innocent: .

I'm not saying we should slash the players money, it just needs to be brought back into reality a little. This isnt suggesting that the owners should have it all either, as its their fault that the money being paid out in contracts has become obscene. Maybe the way to go would be to cap the max wage to $5m a year at a max 5 year deal. This would give everyteam a fair crack at UFA time each year, and put an end to the ridiculous contracts

that we have seen the past few years, Z and Mule inc. Anyway I hope you see what im getting at.

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Seat prices are only a small portion of what the team brings in. Television, merchandise, etc. all have to be factored in too.

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T-minus 12 days to lockout :(

It does seem sadly comical, when nhl.com and tsn.ca publish season broadcast schedules etc. like nothing everything is normal. :rolleyes:

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It does seem sadly comical, when nhl.com and tsn.ca publish season broadcast schedules etc. like nothing everything is normal. :rolleyes:

They have to for if / when the season starts? Not really comical

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