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[redwings1914]

Don't let the door hit you on the ass Stuart. I don't feel bad for anyone who makes multiple million dollars a year in a occupation that is not family friendly and then complains about not getting to see their family. If he really wanted to see them more he'd just retire.

[Tim.D]

@AnsarKhanMLive: Holland on Stuart: “He was a good player for us. We would have liked to have re-signed him. Gave us 4 good years."

@AnsarKhanMLive: Wings' Holland: “A big part of the reason we made the deal for Quincey was in the event Lidstrom retired and we couldn't re-sign Stuart."

[Hockey13Playa]

@AnsarKhanMLive: Wings' Holland: “A big part of the reason we made the deal for Quincey was in the event Lidstrom retired and we couldn't re-sign Stuart."

I am not directing this at you but it somewhat bothers me that Holland said that statement. Holland knowing that Lidstrom's time was coming and that Stuart would most likely be gone so he signs Quincey? What af****** joke. I mean I don't have a problem for Quincey but knowing both of those pieces are most likely going to be out of Detroit and you bring him in? Uhh okkkkayyy.

[dobbles]

I am not directing this at you but it somewhat bothers me that Holland said that statement. Holland knowing that Lidstrom's time was coming and that Stuart would most likely be gone so he signs Quincey? What af****** joke. I mean I don't have a problem for Quincey but knowing both of those pieces are most likely going to be out of Detroit and you bring him in? Uhh okkkkayyy.

whats so bothersome? he was working under the assumption he might need another top 4 D. quincey had established himself as that the last couple seasons. in his mind, quincey was a reasonable replacement for stuart. i don't think that was too far fetched when the move was made. (with how he looked once he got here it does bring that into question) replacing stuart isn't the problem, its trying to get suter as a replacement for nick that is the key.

[RedWingsRox]

7th round in 2014 plus a dud ... OK, I know it was only for 3 weeks of negotiating rights but better than nothing. I think it was just a classy gesture by the Wings who wants the best for Stuart. Bad thing is we will play him what 6 times in a year? SJ just got a bit better and we got a lot worst in the last 2 weeks.

[number9]

I am not directing this at you but it somewhat bothers me that Holland said that statement. Holland knowing that Lidstrom's time was coming and that Stuart would most likely be gone so he signs Quincey? What af****** joke. I mean I don't have a problem for Quincey but knowing both of those pieces are most likely going to be out of Detroit and you bring him in? Uhh okkkkayyy.

Q is the replacement for Stu.....Q is not as good in his own end as Stu, but he's not bad either. Plus he's a bit more mobile, has an offensive touch to his game, is younger than the aging Stuart, and is cheaper. I'll take him as the new Stewie any day of the week. And that 3-way trade we did to get him was absolutely marvelous....still gets me hard like a diamond in an ice storm.

Still have to replace Lidstrom. July 1st is coming.

Edited by number9, 10 June 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[Dimaline312000]

I'm sorry please forgive me if I'm being stupid but what the Hell is Holland doing. Why are we trading Brad Stuart's rights for Andrew Murray's rights and a 7th Round Condiotional Draft Pick. What's the point of Andrew Murray and this is Brad Stuart he was very solid on this team; another elite team like the Sharks. We can't get at least a 4th Round Draft Pick that we actually get instead of a 7th Round Cond Pick?? This just sounds to me like we're getting the worst end of this deal. I would think we could get a lot more for Brad Stuart's Rights. I realize they are only rights but this just doesn't sound like a good deal for us. I mean if nother works out than neither team get's anything and what was the point of that. I'm sure that Stuart will most likely sign with SJ so we'll most likely get our 7th Round Draft Pick but do the Wings really need a guy like Andrew Murray? Seems to me like we need more Impact Players and not ones like Murray. Just my opnion take it for what it is, but I'm losing faith in Ken Holland.

[Hockey13Playa]

I'm sorry please forgive me if I'm being stupid but what the Hell is Holland doing. Why are we trading Brad Stuart's rights for Andrew Murray's rights and a 7th Round Condiotional Draft Pick. What's the point of Andrew Murray and this is Brad Stuart he was very solid on this team; another elite team like the Sharks. We can't get at least a 4th Round Draft Pick that we actually get instead of a 7th Round Cond Pick?? This just sounds to me like we're getting the worst end of this deal. I would think we could get a lot more for Brad Stuart's Rights. I realize they are only rights but this just doesn't sound like a good deal for us. I mean if nother works out than neither team get's anything and what was the point of that. I'm sure that Stuart will most likely sign with SJ so we'll most likely get our 7th Round Draft Pick but do the Wings really need a guy like Andrew Murray? Seems to me like we need more Impact Players and not ones like Murray. Just my opnion take it for what it is, but I'm losing faith in Ken Holland.

Because Stuart was leaving Detroit to play in California regardless. A little something is better then nothing at all. You don't usually get much for trading rights especially when the team he was traded to essentially knows they have a 1/3 or 0.33% chance to sign him. (3 teams in California where he said he wanted to be).

Edited by Hockey13Playa, 10 June 2012 - 08:24 PM.

[Danielsm]

Who is this Alex Murray fellow? Will he be of any use?

[Hockey13Playa]

Who is this Alex Murray fellow? Will he be of any use?

If you read through the topic a few posts mentioned it. What I gathered is that hes just a career AHL'er. Bounced back between the NHL and AHL when he was in Columbus. Also I think someone stated he's 30 years of age. The reason we got him was so SJ could free up a roster spot, they were at the limit. Wings have no interest in re-signing him.

[MidMichSteve]

Thanks a lot, Brad for the years you played for the Wings. Your effort and desire were never questioned. It's good that you'll get to spend more time with your family. Children only grow up once and you would forever regret not being there to watch it.

Edited by MidMichSteve, 10 June 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[GMRwings1983]

Andy Murray?

The tennis player?

How could he help us?

[pucktividi]

Don't let the door hit you on the ass Stuart. I don't feel bad for anyone who makes multiple million dollars a year in a occupation that is not family friendly and then complains about not getting to see their family. If he really wanted to see them more he'd just retire.

Did you have the same attitude when Brian Rafalski signed here to be closer to his family?

[Shoreline]

A couple thoughts:

- It's been known for a while that Stu wanted to go back to California, he also played quite a few years with the Sharks.

- Lids' retiring was the perfect opportunity for him to jump ship.. not sure the direction KH is taking the team.

- I still believe him when he says it's for family related reasons, why wouldn't it be?

- .. and lastly he's not leaving on bad terms whatsoever.

He had a great tenure with the Wings, was a class act, and I wish him well. Don't see why a few posters here have such an ex-girlfriend attitude about him leaving, but whatever. The Wings sure have one hell of a gaping defence though.

This summer is going to be very interesting as to what Kenny does.

[Hockey13Playa]

Q is the replacement for Stu.....Q is not as good in his own end as Stu, but he's not bad either. Plus he's a bit more mobile, has an offensive touch to his game, is younger than the aging Stuart, and is cheaper. I'll take him as the new Stewie any day of the week. And that 3-way trade we did to get him was absolutely marvelous....still gets me hard like a diamond in an ice storm.

Still have to replace Lidstrom. July 1st is coming.

Yeah I understand, I am just optimistic on Quincey. When we traded for him, I was happy. I thought the 1st rounder was kind of steep though. But since coming over I don't think he has played anything above par. I guess more or less its just the way Holland was quoting saying that. Either way we need to fill some gaps, and the wings could be looking pretty different come 2012-2013 season. We shall see what happens!

[joesuffP]

Parting ways with Stuart lets this team get fresher on D it's a good thing... I personally felt Stuart was awful the last 2 seasons and wasn't much help on most nights but that's just me... I think Kronwall will benefit from a new partner and were transitioning to a team that will get better with more experience given to the young guys instead of getting worse each year because of age... Stuart isn't a top 4 d man on a Stanley cup winning team at this point in his career

[Majsheppard]

Well, I don't know. Every other time a player's rights have been traded it netted far more than this... I really would have rather tried to get a bit more from the Ducks or the Kings than just get a 7th.

I thought perhaps we could have gotten at least a 4th.

[dirtydangles]

okay so what are hudler's rights worth now? Draft picks don't get any later than a late 7th rounder 2 years from now.... what is holland going to offer for rights if this is what he accepts? like schultz rights for a 6th in 2020?

[evilmrt]

Well, I don't know. Every other time a player's rights have been traded it netted far more than this... I really would have rather tried to get a bit more from the Ducks or the Kings than just get a 7th.

I thought perhaps we could have gotten at least a 4th.

Its really Stuart's fault that Kenny only got a 7th out of the rights, because he made his desire to be in San Jose public. The Wings are lucky they got anything. If they had kept it private, maybe they would have gotten a higher pick.

[number9]

Its really Stuart's fault that Kenny only got a 7th out of the rights, because he made his desire to be in San Jose public. The Wings are lucky they got anything. If they had kept it private, maybe they would have gotten a higher pick.

Stuart going public with his desire to be in California did not hurt us whatsoever. Trading rights for picks almost always involves the pick being conditional...if the player signs with the other team you get the draft pick, or the pick becomes a higher draft pick. If he doesn't sign you either don't get the draft pick you traded for or it becomes a lower pick.

So essentially if we had say traded Stuart's rights to Toronto for a fourth round conditional....he wouldn't have signed there (wants to be in Cali) and we would have either lost the fourth rounder and got nothing, or the fourth would have become something like a 7th anyway....Holland just skipped all that BS, got his 7th, and did Stewie a solid in the process.

Perhaps if SJ didn't know they were Stewies #1 choice we could have gotten more out of them....but they knew regardless of whether Stewie went public or not....He has friends in their organization/team and his family still lives in the area....they knew the situation.