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Parise Watch [update x2]: Red Wings OUT of Running

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I was a huge Lang fan throughout his career and your point is well taken. But here's the main question, if we don't get Parise we need to do something to help our overall goal production to help Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Franzen has proven he's far too streaky to be a significant help or a big game player--at least the last few years. So with that in mind, outside of Semin who sale could we really sign that's going to support our offense?

Franzen has had a 50 point season every year since the 08-09 season except for 09-10 where he only played 27 games due to injury. If you look at his stats he's been pretty consistent during the season.

I will agree he has been a non factor the last three years in the playoffs with a total of 22 points combined since the 2010 playoffs compared to 23 points in just the 2009 run. I wonder if maybe it was more that Franzen over achieved during the 08 and 09 runs more so than him being streaky.

As for Datsyuk and Zetterberg needing help I agree 110%, I just don't know who can fill that void of the available players beyond Parise or Nash if neither work out. The only other option would be Doan, I just don't see him leaving Phoenix if they can save that franchise.

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I really don't see Parise going to Pittsburgh, honestly. Playing with Crosby would be fun on the ice, but just ask anyone who has left the team, it sucks playing in his shadow, they have no goalie or defense.

But who knows what perspective a player takes when considering teams. They may not analyze it the way we do. He may just see lots of money, a perennial playoff team and think that's good enough.

There's no way in hell the Wild are among his final picks. I'll eat my hat if that's the case. Don't care what the rumors say. I have a bad feeling about him coming to Detroit, which I don't understand. Datsyuk would be just as fun to play with as Crosby, he knows we're going to improve our D corps and our back end is likely stronger than MAF. Plus, we're an original 6 team and our players and management are all class.

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The longer it takes them to decide, the more I believe they want to go to the same team, or just resign.

That would be rare though. They have had over a year now to work out a deal with their respective teams, if they wanted to stay, why didn't they sign sometime over the past year. The only reason would be using other offers to up their value in a contract with their existing team. That makes total sense, but you rarely see that. Most cases, when players go to UFA, they sign elsewhere.

I have no actual evidence to back that up of course, I didn't waste my time digging for it, just a sense I've had over the past number of years.

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The 'ol bait and switch....they both bolt to the KHL with Radulov leaving all of the teams interested forced to fight over Semin and Jagr.

Speaking of whom, what if Kenny fails to land Parise and ends up signing Jagr instead? :ninja:

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So many people here keep talking about how the Wings *need* goal scoring and I just don't get why people are so hell bent on adding a Parise-type. Obviously, it would be phenomenal to add him to any roster, but its not as if the Wings struggled to put the puck in the net last year. They still ended up 4th in the NHL in scoring. And before anyone replies,the need for a bonafide goal-scorer is not lost on me.

The bottom line, is the defense needs to be the focal point this offseason given our massive losses. Add Semin to go along with Suter and we're in good shape. Add Parise but not Suter....and we're f***ed.

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Speaking of whom, what if Kenny fails to land Parise and ends up signing Jagr instead? :ninja:

I have to imagine that if we lose out on Parise, we'll make a strong push for Semin. From reports that I have seen, it sounds like Semin may be waiting for the Wings to make an offer, but that could be hearsay. Not a stretch though, may want to play with his countryman Datsyuk.

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Speaking of whom, what if Kenny fails to land Parise and ends up signing Jagr instead? :ninja:

At least it would be a big middle finger to the East. I'd personally like to see him on a line with Dats and Bert. I know it sounds odd, but I think Bert still has a knack for making some good passes. Plus he's a big distracting body, so he might draw some attention away from a streaking Jagr....if he's still able to streak.

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So many people here keep talking about how the Wings *need* goal scoring and I just don't get why people are so hell bent on adding a Parise-type. Obviously, it would be phenomenal to add him to any roster, but its not as if the Wings struggled to put the puck in the net last year. They still ended up 4th in the NHL in scoring. And before anyone replies,the need for a bonafide goal-scorer is not lost on me.

The bottom line, is the defense needs to be the focal point this offseason given our massive losses. Add Semin to go along with Suter and we're in good shape. Add Parise but not Suter....and we're f***ed.

The Wings struggled to score when it mattered. They were not an offensive powerhouse the last portion of the year. Sure, we can score goals, but we rely on role players to score consistently and too often it just dried up. The Wings need a reliable scorer to carry us through those droughts when our role players can't score for us. And, many times we lost games because we didn't have a "shoot-first" mentality player. Sammy will help a bit in that regard, but a bona-fide finisher like Ryan, Nash or Parise would help this team get out of the 1st round.

EDIT: And adding Semin doesn't really help us. Sure, he can score goals, but not the kind we need. The desperately need a hard working scorer who will go to the dirty areas. Datsyuk and Zetterberg alone can't carry this team on their backs for 82 games plus playoffs.

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I think that the Wings are waiting more on Suter then Parise. That being said, I think Parise will be a Devil. The Wings will look very hard at Semin. Jagr is wanting 4m i think thats a bit high

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The Wings struggled to score when it mattered. They were not an offensive powerhouse the last portion of the year. Sure, we can score goals, but we rely on role players to score consistently and too often it just dried up. The Wings need a reliable scorer to carry us through those droughts when our role players can't score for us. And, many times we lost games because we didn't have a "shoot-first" mentality player. Sammy will help a bit in that regard, but a bona-fide finisher like Ryan, Nash or Parise would help this team get out of the 1st round.

EDIT: And adding Semin doesn't really help us. Sure, he can score goals, but not the kind we need. The desperately need a hard working scorer who will go to the dirty areas. Datsyuk and Zetterberg alone can't carry this team on their backs for 82 games plus playoffs.

Hence, why I said "the need for a bonafide scorer isn't lost on me." I'm just ensuring people have the facts here in regards to team scoring. I obviously understand the need you're talking about, I'm just making a point. The fact of the matter is that Suter is beyond the number 1 need on this team at this moment. Adding him will help band-aid the losses of Lids and Stuart, but his addition alone won't be enough to replace them both. If we miss out on Suter or one/two of the other higher-end defensive talents while adding Parise, it puts the Wings in a more dire situation than the other way around.

Again, I understand the need for a Parise-type, but I've all but given up hope that he's coming to Detroit. If Kenny is gonna add some elite scoring talent (which I believe he will in the form of a Ryan or a Nash, etc.), its gonna be via trade.

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I think that the Wings are waiting more on Suter then Parise. That being said, I think Parise will be a Devil. The Wings will look very hard at Semin. Jagr is wanting 4m i think thats a bit high

I've been saying parise will remain a devil since it was rumored he might leave. And would love to see semin sign here. Agree with you 100%

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I think that the Wings are waiting more on Suter then Parise. That being said, I think Parise will be a Devil. The Wings will look very hard at Semin. Jagr is wanting 4m i think thats a bit high

Yeah that is a tad high for Jagr... I would consider him at 3.5 max, but that is still a cautious consideration. I would rather we looked at these players as backups to Parise:

Alexander Semin

Shane Doan

Wojtek Wolski

Eric Fehr

Peter Mueller

Steve Sullivan

Kyle Wellwood

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EDIT: And adding Semin doesn't really help us. Sure, he can score goals, but not the kind we need. The desperately need a hard working scorer who will go to the dirty areas. Datsyuk and Zetterberg alone can't carry this team on their backs for 82 games plus playoffs.

That's mine concern as well. The Wings need goals, but they can't have anymore floaters. Its been a grind on Datsyuk and Zetterberg these last few years being the only ones on their line that go to the hard areas, despite big bodies like Franzen and Bertuzzi. Filppula has helped a lot, but that's three small players doing yeoman's, and Fil hasn't learned to finish.

Wings need more players like Parise, who make their own goals.

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I believe Semin will be signed if we do not get Parise. If we do not get Suter then I am no sure what the alternative is. Trade for Yandle? Sign Carle? All we can do is wait.

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I believe Semin will be signed if we do not get Parise. If we do not get Suter then I am no sure what the alternative is. Trade for Yandle? Sign Carle? All we can do is wait.

Increasingly, I think that would be the way to go. I'm pretty fatigued following this whole thing, but I haven't really had the strong sense that he'll sign with Detroit since FA opened.

Living in Minnesota, it's amazing to me how irrelevant this Wild franchise is to people. Red Wings fans would rather see Parise in Minnesota - a team rebuilding quickly in the Western Conference, who will likely be in the same DIVISION if restructuring happens - than in Pittsburgh, a team which we arguably would only have to worry about in a Cup Final.

I don't know what Suter's doing, exactly, but while they're both Midwest guys, it seems weird to me that he would follow Parise to the Wild. Parise makes sense in Minnesota as the hometown guy, but why does Suter need to play with Parise if he could play with any number of great players already on other teams?

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I believe Semin will be signed if we do not get Parise. If we do not get Suter then I am no sure what the alternative is. Trade for Yandle? Sign Carle? All we can do is wait.

Yandle and Semin or Yandle and Ryan as well as Doan with all the pieces we would have to give up.

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)

Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)

Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)

DEFENSEMEN

Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,983,712; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $216,288

1 more capgeek roster scenario before these 2 sign.

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)

Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)

Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)

Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)

DEFENSEMEN

Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)

Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,983,712; BONUSES: $37,500

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $216,288

1 more capgeek roster scenario before these 2 sign.

No Brunner?

Per Michael Russo (Minneapolis Star Tribune)...

Didn't they say this yesterday too? Hopefully they're right this time.. Can't wait for free agency to resume ha

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