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#1 blueadams

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:52 AM

Is this still a team that could win it all?

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($5.000m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.866m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Matt Carle ($5.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
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Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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#2 b.shanafan14

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

In this market, I think its going to take an uncomfortable amount of term to get Semin at $5m/season. In which case, I would be very... annoyed. How many half-time scorers can you have signed for 8+ years?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

our D-men would have to step up and play great all season but other than that, I don't think I'd have a problem with this at all.. I for one would love to have semin playing with datsyuk.

and i think us signing "the monster" was our smartest move so far.. finally howard has a solid back up so he's not completely drained towards the end of the season/playoffs from playing around 60 games a season.

i would like to see nyq up on teh top line with pav and semin though, move helm to third line center and move mule to third line/maybe end up switching him with brunner or nyq eventually... not sure how that would make the fourth line look though but i'd like to see something like that to start the season.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

I don't know if they're a Cup contender even if they sign Parise and Suter. As for Semin, I actually think he's a better fit for this team, as well as a whole lot cheaper. I think we would be crazy to pay Parise the kind of money that I am hearing that some other teams have offered him. He scores goals, but he is not pure goal-scorer - and he looked like crap in the Finals! Semin isn't a pure goal-scorer, either, but he's a right-handed shot, and that is something this team can use.

But we really need Suter.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:01 AM

I think Babs would be pissed at Helm not centering the 3rd line since he said last week that Helm is the best 3rd line centre in the game bar none. As for Semin and Carle...I would not be pissed. Would I see this team still being able to compete for the Cup? Maybe. Win it? Things would really have to go their way for that to happen.

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 03 July 2012 - 11:03 AM.

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We need someone like Parise that can penetrate the box.-blueadams

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:06 AM

We would need huge leaps for young kids like Nyquist/Brunner/Quincy/Smith and even Ericsson. But I'd say the same if we got Suter/Parise.

The most important thing about next year isn't who we get in free agency, it's going to be how our players develop. Because one player isn't going to make a difference if none of those pieces step up and become good NHL players, we aren't going to win it all. It's not about having a playoff team, it's about having a Stanley Cup team.

I'd be ok with it, I'm not the biggest Semin fan, but his rewards outweigh his risks, and I like the idea of him playing with Datsyuk. Carle is a very good puck moving defensemen, pretty young too. I'd be content with it going into the season. Also have some capspace for the trade deadline.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:14 AM

Well yes I'd be "ok" with those 2.

I'd just also prefer to sign a 4th line center or maybe trade one. We have a logjam at forward.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:14 AM

I'm afraid that this roster is about the same or worst than our line up last year. You've added a little on the offense but haven't shored up the defence. Carle might replace Stuart but you're missing Lidstrom's minutes, skill, and leadership. This roster would get in on 6th spot and be out in 1 round ...

Edited by RedWingsRox, 03 July 2012 - 11:15 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

why are people so high on Carle? Just two seasons ago Tampa and Philly played a ping-pong game with Carle and suddenly he is going to get 5M. I watched Philly multiple times this season and he did not impress that much.... Well, to be honest Suter did not impress me as well last season. Well, I can understand that Suter is always in the shadow of Weber but still.

PS Semin would be good addition for not more than 5.5-6M per season for say 4-5 years.

PPS Getting rod of Emmerton is a must for this offseason to be successful. Get a legitimate 4th line center.

Edited by RusDRW, 03 July 2012 - 11:17 AM.

Sweet. This dude was brought here for one reason, to punch people in the head - every other thing that he can do, other Wings can do better. I like that we have a head-puncher. The league has other, better head-punchers, but this one is ours. Better than nothing. Good work, Kenny!

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:19 AM

I'm afraid that this roster is about the same or worst than our line up last year. You've added a little on the offense but haven't shored up the defence. Carle might replace Stuart but you're missing Lidstrom's minutes, skill, and leadership. This roster would get in on 6th spot and be out in 1 round ...


What you have to hope for is big steps in production from the young guys.
People wanted the Wings to get younger, and they will be next year.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:20 AM

I think Babs would be pissed at Helm not centering the 3rd line since he said last week that Helm is the best 3rd line centre in the game bar none. As for Semin and Carle...I would not be pissed. Would I see this team still being able to compete for the Cup? Maybe. Win it? Things would really have to go their way for that to happen.

And double pissed for a 3rd line center who couldn't win faceoffs because he's actually a LW.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

Don't you have your own thread to post your never ending lines?

I wouldn't mind if you actually wrote something with substance to go along with all your lines, but this thread is as thin as a lot of people's patience with the constant line threads spam.

Stop spamming.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

What you have to hope for is big steps in production from the young guys.
People wanted the Wings to get younger, and they will be next year.


This would be like hoping Franzen was consistent throughout the year ...

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:24 AM

This would be like hoping Franzen was consistent throughout the year ...


Now, I disagree I think it's much more likely that Quincy becomes a Norris winner and Nyquist scores 100 than Franzen actually playing hard every shift of the year.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:27 AM

I wouldn't mind Semin myself but he is a one way player and not a very good locker room guy. Wings have good leadership and I think they could handle him and he would add scoring
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

I wouldn't mind Semin myself but he is a one way player and not a very good locker room guy. Wings have good leadership and I think they could handle him and he would add scoring

I understand that perspective and understand if they don't go in that direction. But as I have thought more about this, I really think that the chance for a Russian player of Semin's age to play with Datsyuk is almost as powerful as the draw that playing with Sidney Crosby might have for a North American player (like Parise). Whereas guys like Ovechkin (and perhaps even Malkin) are more likely to run their mouth, and are more polarizing, Datysuk seems to be universally respected. He's also a very unselfish superstar, so even though it hasn't always been the case that you simply insert ______ sniper on the wing next to Datysuk and you get a 40-goal scorer, players like Semin might perceive it to be that way.

I also think that the veterans on this team (even minus Lidstrom), not to mention Babcock and the front office can control him, at least well enough. Yes, his lack of defense will be infuriating, but this team falls asleep offensively far too often, and Semin has the ability to significantly help that.

The problem is how you evaluate a guy like this. There's a reason he's been on a string of 2 or 1-year deals. But he's also gotten a raise up to $6.7 million. If he wants more than 3 years, it could be a problem. Then again, I think he might be a perpetual KHL flight risk, so he may not even want a long-term NHL deal.

I'm really intrigued by him, if we figure out how to add to the defense, which is the top priority.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:48 AM

I fear that I brought this thread into existence with my baseless prediction in another thread that Holland gets Semin and Carle instead of Parise and Suter.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:57 AM

I fear that I brought this thread into existence with my baseless prediction in another thread that Holland gets Semin and Carle instead of Parise and Suter.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

I understand that perspective and understand if they don't go in that direction. But as I have thought more about this, I really think that the chance for a Russian player of Semin's age to play with Datsyuk is almost as powerful as the draw that playing with Sidney Crosby might have for a North American player (like Parise). Whereas guys like Ovechkin (and perhaps even Malkin) are more likely to run their mouth, and are more polarizing, Datysuk seems to be universally respected. He's also a very unselfish superstar, so even though it hasn't always been the case that you simply insert ______ sniper on the wing next to Datysuk and you get a 40-goal scorer, players like Semin might perceive it to be that way.

I also think that the veterans on this team (even minus Lidstrom), not to mention Babcock and the front office can control him, at least well enough. Yes, his lack of defense will be infuriating, but this team falls asleep offensively far too often, and Semin has the ability to significantly help that.

The problem is how you evaluate a guy like this. There's a reason he's been on a string of 2 or 1-year deals. But he's also gotten a raise up to $6.7 million. If he wants more than 3 years, it could be a problem. Then again, I think he might be a perpetual KHL flight risk, so he may not even want a long-term NHL deal.

I'm really intrigued by him, if we figure out how to add to the defense, which is the top priority.


I understand that perspective and understand if they don't go in that direction. But as I have thought more about this, I really think that the chance for a Russian player of Semin's age to play with Datsyuk is almost as powerful as the draw that playing with Sidney Crosby might have for a North American player (like Parise). Whereas guys like Ovechkin (and perhaps even Malkin) are more likely to run their mouth, and are more polarizing, Datysuk seems to be universally respected. He's also a very unselfish superstar, so even though it hasn't always been the case that you simply insert ______ sniper on the wing next to Datysuk and you get a 40-goal scorer, players like Semin might perceive it to be that way.

I also think that the veterans on this team (even minus Lidstrom), not to mention Babcock and the front office can control him, at least well enough. Yes, his lack of defense will be infuriating, but this team falls asleep offensively far too often, and Semin has the ability to significantly help that.

The problem is how you evaluate a guy like this. There's a reason he's been on a string of 2 or 1-year deals. But he's also gotten a raise up to $6.7 million. If he wants more than 3 years, it could be a problem. Then again, I think he might be a perpetual KHL flight risk, so he may not even want a long-term NHL deal.

I'm really intrigued by him, if we figure out how to add to the defense, which is the top priority.

I agree completly with you my biggest problem is the fact he is a one way player
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:16 PM

why are people so high on Carle? Just two seasons ago Tampa and Philly played a ping-pong game with Carle and suddenly he is going to get 5M. I watched Philly multiple times this season and he did not impress that much.... Well, to be honest Suter did not impress me as well last season. Well, I can understand that Suter is always in the shadow of Weber but still.

PS Semin would be good addition for not more than 5.5-6M per season for say 4-5 years.

PPS Getting rod of Emmerton is a must for this offseason to be successful. Get a legitimate 4th line center.

Exactly my thoughts. Semin on the top line with Datsyuk and you're looking at 40+ goals for Semin imo.

I'd be ok with a healthy Cleary + Helm + Brunner on 3rd line.

4th line could be a good one with a legit Center who's tough and a faceoff specialist. Put someone like that with Abdelkader and Tootoo and that's 4 good lines.

Our defense, iyam, is filled with bottom 4 dmen with the exception of Kronwall. We need more of those guys that are legit top pairing dmen. Suter I don't think is the greatest thing ever and we'd definitely be overpaying him BUT with the possibility of him bringing Weber and there's no one else available that's close to him we HAVE to sign Suter.

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