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[Retired] Official Lockout Thread

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They met until 1amET and will meet again early next week (presummably Monday). I think that meeting would probably be the larger group.

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Can only be a good sign....why would they be meeting into the wee hours of a Saturday night if they weren't trying to hammer out an actual deal or something very close to it?

Call girls.

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Louis Jean ‏@LouisJean_TVA

There will be a "negotiating call held today" for the #NHLPA. Time hasn't been confirmed yet. #CBA

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Can only be a good sign....why would they be meeting into the wee hours of a Saturday night if they weren't trying to hammer out an actual deal or something very close to it?

One news reporter quoted;

"They were playing call of duty zombies, they got to level 42, couldn't quit. Plus they vowed to finish the whole king size pizza"

Another news reporter;

"They hired some strippers to entertain them while they played video games"

and another;

"they came to an agreement (finally) and they started the nhl season, Daly played as Phoenix, while Fehr played as the all star team in NHL 13. The game quickly erupted in argument about a goal Daly said shouldn't have been allowed, when Fehr won by a goal, Daly enacted a lockout by snapping the disc in half, so and I quote "if it isn't my way, no one gets to play!" then they quickly broke off and took a well deserved break"

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So cancellation of the WC pushed the NHL to actually negotiate? Too funny

actually i think it pushed both sides to negotiate

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Six years from now, Uncle Gary should announce the "postponement" of the Winter Classic in July. This will speed things up and he won't have to worry about his inability to negotiate an agreement the way normal businesses.

That, of course, assumes that Uncle Gary will still have his current job then.

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If a deal is reached this week, will they be able to retroactively uncancel the WC? PLEASE?!

No chance. With people starting to get refunds and the cancellation being official, I'm sure the wheels starting turning for plenty of ticket holders, shareholders, corporate sponsors and all the other stuff that happens behind the scenes the moment the official statement hit the airwaves.

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"they came to an agreement (finally) and they started the nhl season, Daly played as Phoenix, while Fehr played as the all star team in NHL 13. The game quickly erupted in argument about a goal Daly said shouldn't have been allowed, when Fehr won by a goal, Daly enacted a lockout by snapping the disc in half, so and I quote "if it isn't my way, no one gets to play!" then they quickly broke off and took a well deserved break"

That is just awesome :lol: They are acting like little spoiled brats.

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Please keep the discussion about the lockout and addressing the content of people's posts, not about the person themselves.

Posts that cross over into personal insults will be deleted and could result in warnings/suspensions. (I've already had to delete a few)

Thanks.

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Six years from now, Uncle Gary should announce the "postponement" of the Winter Classic in July. This will speed things up and he won't have to worry about his inability to negotiate an agreement the way normal businesses.

That, of course, assumes that Uncle Gary will still have his current job then.

(a) You must've forgotten that was Uncle Gary who suggested to start negoting a new agreement more than a year ago. It were Fehr brothers who refused to negotiate anytime before All-Star game. (b) Uncle Gary represents businesses who rightfully authorized him to negotiate. If you doubt his ability to negotiate, call Mr. Ilitch and all other 28 owners (who are businessmen themself) and demand to relieve Uncle Gary from his duties.

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(a) You must've forgotten that was Uncle Gary who suggested to start negoting a new agreement more than a year ago. It were Fehr brothers who refused to negotiate anytime before All-Star game. (b) Uncle Gary represents businesses who rightfully authorized him to negotiate. If you doubt his ability to negotiate, call Mr. Ilitch and all other 28 owners (who are businessmen themself) and demand to relieve Uncle Gary from his duties.

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Ultimately Bettman is the captain of the ship and if the ship runs aground 3 times he needs to take responsibility.

That's why he's paid $8,000,000 a year. He doesn't need to be coddled or given excuses that the other side is tough to negotiate with. He's in charge and ultimately failure or success rests at his feet. This lockout is unquestionably a failure from many perspectives. Only the hardline group of 6-8 owners and Bettman himself seem to be happy with the situation.

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Ultimately Bettman is the captain of the ship and if the ship runs aground 3 times he needs to take responsibility.

That's why he's paid $8,000,000 a year. He doesn't need to be coddled or given excuses that the other side is tough to negotiate with. He's in charge and ultimately failure or success rests at his feet. This lockout is unquestionably a failure from many perspectives. Only the hardline group of 6-8 owners and Bettman himself seem to be happy with the situation.

he's paid 8 mil a year to be the whipping boy so that the owners don't take all the flack. if the owners didn't like him, he wouldn't be commissioner.

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he's paid 8 mil a year to be the whipping boy so that the owners don't take all the flack. if the owners didn't like him, he wouldn't be commissioner.

only needs 7 owners to like him(assuming he gets the Phoenix vote)

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only needs 7 owners to like him(assuming he gets the Phoenix vote)

yes and the owners allowed that to happen.

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(a) You must've forgotten that was Uncle Gary who suggested to start negoting a new agreement more than a year ago. It were Fehr brothers who refused to negotiate anytime before All-Star game. (b) Uncle Gary represents businesses who rightfully authorized him to negotiate. If you doubt his ability to negotiate, call Mr. Ilitch and all other 28 owners (who are businessmen themself) and demand to relieve Uncle Gary from his duties.

A) You must have conveniently forgot about this: L-O-C-K-O-U-T. Three-for-three. This type of tactic demonstrates a total disrespect for the collective bargaining agreement negotiating process and, even worse of in my mind, a lack or respect of the employees which is unparalleled in the history of sports . Uncle Gary loves to see his name mentioned in the media. In his mind, even bad press is better than no press.

B) Uncle Gary represents "businesses" or in some cases "hobbies of the rich and famous", some of whose owners are doing a terrible job at running their "business". Many experts break it down as this: at the present time ten teams make money, ten teams break even and ten teams lose money. Imagine how much more money the League could have in their coffers if some of these owners had even a modicum of business savey and knew how to properly run a "business". Of course they will vote 30-0; Article 17 commands them to; Uncle Gary's got their back.

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Ultimately Bettman is the captain of the ship and if the ship runs aground 3 times he needs to take responsibility.

That's why he's paid $8,000,000 a year. He doesn't need to be coddled or given excuses that the other side is tough to negotiate with. He's in charge and ultimately failure or success rests at his feet. This lockout is unquestionably a failure from many perspectives. Only the hardline group of 6-8 owners and Bettman himself seem to be happy with the situation.

To say this means you have some inside information that the rest of us don't have. Care to share this?

This is really just an assumption. I don't think it is safe to assume that 6-8 owners are responsible for the lockout, just as it isn't safe to assume they are all behind Bettman. The thing is that we really don't know how the owners voted. All we can do is assume at this point.

It certainly would be nice to know who voted for the lockout and who voted against it. You can bet there are some owners who are managing their clubs well that could have went either way with their votes. You don't think that Illitch could have voted for the lockout because he is tired of seeing his profits get sucked away to teams who can't control their finances? I look at it as a tossup at this stage. We have no idea how these owners voted, and to say that its only 6-8 is really just a guess.

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I think the truth is that the owners wanted a lockout way before. Remember the re-alignment? They didn't even bother to show the NHLPA, which anyone with a kindergarten education would realize would sour relations between the two and that the NHLPA would almost certainly torpedo it.

They angled to get this thing to a lockout a long time ago, they knew the costs. It really can't be a failure, because no matter what the owners will start making money again next season, and the players will end up playing. Both sides are going to be perfectly fine and are perfectly fine dragging this out.

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