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Howard is the MVP this playoffs. I'm proud of him. And let me point out that I was critical of him for not having great playoff performances his first few seasons. He's started to become a good veteran goaltender. Good for you Jimmy.

Agreed. He's solid.

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At the beginning of the playoffs in games 1-3 of the ducks series, he looked like the same Howard of the past playoff years, but he really stepped his game up starting in game 4 of that series and hasn't looked back since.

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At the beginning of the playoffs in games 1-3 of the ducks series, he looked like the same Howard of the past playoff years, but he really stepped his game up starting in game 4 of that series and hasn't looked back since.

he didn't have much help either though

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he didn't have much help either though

The way I see it is, this is the best playoffs howard has had since coming into the league and he's doing it without Lidstrom, Rafalski and Stuart. In his first few years he didn't have an excuse for his mediocre play. But the fact that he's doing so great WITHOUT the three, shows how much he's matured and how good of a leader he's becoming. Good stuff.

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Come on, guys... he's only good because he has Spectral Lidstrom playing in front of him...

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Come on, guys... he's only good because he has Spectral Lidstrom playing in front of him...

Ha ha ha! Nice!

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I would have said Howard was above average before this season. He hasn't "stolen" and games I can think of this season - which a starting goalie should do from time to time. Within this CURRENT team - Howard is an average goalie. I argue that Crawford would look just as average if he played on this team - neither are top calibre goalies in my mind.

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He just isn't playing as well as last season (or other seasons).

Doesn't make him a bad (or average) goalie. He's a good goalie who is out of form right now.

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It's the phenomenon where a player gets a big contract and the first year flops ... pressure to live up to the expectation. As I said in another thread, we may have to come to terms that this is going to be a downer year for him ... call it an MAF year. Let's hope he bounces back next year. He is average this year ... let's not sugar coat this.

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How does Howie get his game back on the pine?

This is a valid concern. However, it's all about getting points. Right now Gus is doing a good job of that, Babs has to balance winning with getting Howard going.

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This is a valid concern. However, it's all about getting points. Right now Gus is doing a good job of that, Babs has to balance winning with getting Howard going.

I'm almost certain that Gustavsson would have lost that game also. The Flyers were allowed too many open shots from soft areas.

I would have said Howard was above average before this season. He hasn't "stolen" and games I can think of this season - which a starting goalie should do from time to time. Within this CURRENT team - Howard is an average goalie. I argue that Crawford would look just as average if he played on this team - neither are top calibre goalies in my mind.

He came damned close to stealing some games, but there are shots that no goalie can stop.

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i don't think howard has played bad this year. however, i do think he is below his level of play the last few season. and now that he has that fairly large contract, he is looked at to be a guy that can make saves and win games. we often look at goals and say 'well it was the defensemans fault the goalie had no chance' and thats understandable, but to me, elite goalies are the ones making saves they have no business getting to. i always think back to those playoff series we had against the flames and kiprusoff... that dude made saves that no one should have made. and that to me is what defines a top level goalie. they not only stop all the shots they are expected to, but also some that they aren't.

for several years our D has been bad and we have given up way too many odd man chances the last few years. and i feel howie has always gotten his share of saves that were of the elite quality. thats why i have always been a supporter when others haven't been. we look at some softies or something but ignore all the high quality saves he wouldnt have t make if our defense wasnt swiss cheese.

so with that said, i think he's just been ok. however, gustafsson has been good. i think a lot has been luck with rebounds and posts and all that, but a lot of times, thats all a goalie needs. personally, i think they should continue to give gustafsson a decent amount of starts. let howard rest. he has played a lot of games the last few seasons and i feel it hurts us in the playoffs. let him get rest now so at the end of the year he hasnt been in 65+ games again.

howard will get out of this funk eventually. hopefully the wings have enough healthy forwards to win some games between now and then!

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Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals, you can't blame any other players for not doing his job.

I think Gus is a much better player.

Howard.....well, he's a very bad sport

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Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals, you can't blame any other players for not doing his job.

I think Gus is a much better player.

Howard.....well, he's a very bad sport

I agree Howie is paid a lot to stop pucks and he is not right now but how is he a bad sport? He is having a bad stretch like how many other players on this team have or are still? The thing that endeared me to Howard is his ability to continually learn, grow and bounce back and I have no doubt he will. I would still play the hot goalie more and right now that is Monster.

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Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals

And defenders are paid big bucks to cover players and clear them from the goalies sightline. Those were the main problems against Philly. Cant put it all on Howard when his defense is not doing there job.

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Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals, you can't blame any other players for not doing his job.

I think Gus is a much better player.

Howard.....well, he's a very bad sport

Howard has never blamed anyone but himself, I think you're confused by the term "bad sport"

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My opinion is that Howard is a bad sport. I haven't seen many goalies throw fits or break their stick because they miss the puck. I think he's

too immature to play with the big boys.

When he missed 3 quick goals last year, he claimed to have lost his vision.....kids stuff

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My opinion is that Howard is a bad sport. I haven't seen many goalies throw fits or break their stick because they miss the puck. I think he's

too immature to play with the big boys.

When he missed 3 quick goals last year, he claimed to have lost his vision.....kids stuff

you haven't seen much hockey then... players break their sticks all the time in frustration

besides, i appreciate a player that gets emotional and pissed off when things aren't going well. thats the kind of player we need more of.

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My opinion is that Howard is a bad sport. I haven't seen many goalies throw fits or break their stick because they miss the puck. I think he's

too immature to play with the big boys.

When he missed 3 quick goals last year, he claimed to have lost his vision.....kids stuff

Patrick WaWa threw a ton of fits, but then again he was too immature to have real success, right?

Rask probably throws the most fits right now, but he's also bad like Roy, right?

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