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Except you're comparing a guy signing essentially his first NHL contract to a guy who has made a TON of money of the years.

So, no, the comparison doesn't make sense at all.[/quote

I think its valid. Plenty of teams would pay Dats 8.5 mil a year for 3 years after next season. 3 mil is not a small amount. Thats a good discount.]

i think a better "anti-comparison" is to say that pav is more likely to take a discount to stay here because he's played so long whereas brunner would love to play here but closer to his market price, if not the same. doesn't mean he doesn't love it here.. but i mean, who wouldnt ;)

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Hopefully he does the smart thing and returns.

Barring some team suddenly becoming interested in Samuelsson, I believe that ship has sailed.

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Does anyone feel like the longer he remains unsigned...maybe he doesn't *want* to return to the NHL?

If he wanted to go back to Europe he'd have signed there by now. I just think he truly believes he's worth more than he's been offered.

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If he wanted to go back to Europe he'd have signed there by now. I just think he truly believes he's worth more than he's been offered.

Brunner is definitely a valuable player to just about any team, but he better not have his head in the clouds.

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If he wanted to go back to Europe he'd have signed there by now. I just think he truly believes he's worth more than he's been offered.

I think what is offered has a little more to do with icetime than it does dollars and years. From what I've read, the big priority for Brunner is a top-six spot. He wants to be valuable and indispensable to whatever team he lands on. If he can do that, he has confidence that his contributions will eventually earn him the money and security.

I'm not saying he isn't thinking about the money or term in this contract, but the guy wants to be a top-six scorer in the NHL first and foremost (by all accounts). I can't fault the guy for that.

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I think what is offered has a little more to do with icetime than it does dollars and years. From what I've read, the big priority for Brunner is a top-six spot. He wants to be valuable and indispensable to whatever team he lands on. If he can do that, he has confidence that his contributions will eventually earn him the money and security.

I'm not saying he isn't thinking about the money or term in this contract, but the guy wants to be a top-six scorer in the NHL first and foremost (by all accounts). I can't fault the guy for that.

See and if this was the case and he would sign for 3m instead of the rumors I've heard of 4m I'd take him over Alfie. Brunner has the potential to be a long term asset as a goal scorer.

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See and if this was the case and he would sign for 3m instead of the rumors I've heard of 4m I'd take him over Alfie. Brunner has the potential to be a long term asset as a goal scorer.

Same here, Alfie as great as he was is not a longtime solution Brunner could have been one AND is also cheaper.

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Same here, Alfie as great as he was is not a longtime solution Brunner could have been one AND is also cheaper.

Brunner is tiny and weak

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See and if this was the case and he would sign for 3m instead of the rumors I've heard of 4m I'd take him over Alfie. Brunner has the potential to be a long term asset as a goal scorer.

He also has the potential to be a bust. He has one good season under his belt, and through it he exhibited brutal inconsistency even when playing alongside two of the best centers in the world.

Same here, Alfie as great as he was is not a longtime solution Brunner could have been one AND is also cheaper.

... and this would have meant promising him a top-six role that, as he proved through his own play, he does not deserve and cannot perform adequately in.

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Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Pulk and the rest of their prospects are the long term solution.

Most of them would be after a three year deal to Brunner would've been done anyways.

He also has the potential to be a bust. He has one good season under his belt, and through it he exhibited brutal inconsistency even when playing alongside two of the best centers in the world.

... and this would have meant promising him a top-six role that, as he proved through his own play, he does not deserve and cannot perform adequately in.

But he isn't a bust you know what he can and can't do. He can score and will score which we need. He doesn't play defense or provide leadership but we have plenty of that he doesn't hit or fight which is something we need....but I've accepted ilk have to wait another year for that.

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I'm not saying he isn't thinking about the money or term in this contract, but the guy wants to be a top-six scorer in the NHL first and foremost (by all accounts). I can't fault the guy for that.

Can't blame Holland neither.He has two prospects(Nyquist and Tatar) as good as Brunner that were busting their ass in the AHL for years just to see the 3rd line minutes.

Brunner is a good player no doubt,but to guarantee him top 6 spot after an inconsistent season would send a bad message to the rest of our prospects group.

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Can't blame Holland neither.He has two prospects(Nyquist and Tatar) as good as Brunner that were busting their ass in the AHL for years just to see the 3rd line minutes.

Brunner is a good player no doubt,but to guarantee him top 6 spot after an inconsistent season would send a bad message to the rest of our prospects group.

Great post. Brunner didnt wow.

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But he isn't a bust you know what he can and can't do. He can score and will score which we need. He doesn't play defense or provide leadership but we have plenty of that he doesn't hit or fight which is something we need....but I've accepted ilk have to wait another year for that.

Fabian Brunnstrom had a higher goals-per-game average than Brunner in his own rookie season, and he did it without Datsyuk or Zetterberg. He was in the AHL the next season. So no, we don't know what he can do. Nothing is certain, especially for late entries into the NHL.

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Actually, we do know what he can do. What we don't know is if he will improve or do it on a consistent basis, or if his ego can handle being a secondary guy instead of the star.

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Actually, we do know what he can do. What we don't know is if he will improve or do it on a consistent basis, or if his ego can handle being a secondary guy instead of the star.

Just like Dallas "knew" what Brunnstrom could do.

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Actually, we do know what he can do. What we don't know is if he will improve or do it on a consistent basis, or if his ego can handle being a secondary guy instead of the star.

Just like Dallas "knew" what Brunnstrom could do.

I think you missed the point. Can do and will do are different things or there would be no draft mistakes. Brunner can be a legit 25-30 goal guy. He might not do it though.

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@SchweizerSilvan: Story on Brunner: http://t.co/4ZbLiwilXA

I like that article, Brunner may have to wait with the cap going down and most teams already filled out, his opporunities are shrinking. Sign for around 3,2 somewhere and then cash in next year, with a higher cap anda full season under your belt.

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3 thoughts on that article.

If Brunner is patient I think he can get close to what he wants on a short term deal once teams have more time to evaluate what they have internally.

Cap space isn't an issue for the Wings. They can go over cap until the end of camp and even after they sign Andersson and Nyquist they'll be OK.

I don't think they re-sign Cleary unless they can swing a deal that sends out Samuelsson and Tootoo or Eaves.

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Dan Cleary, who has reportedly agreed to terms with the Wings but can’t officially sign until cap space has been cleared.

ERMAHGERD, CLERER! SERERSLER?

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Him not signing anywhere "yet" is a good sign.

Or is it?

Holland has said the team as it stands now is very likely the team that will hit the ice in October.

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