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I agree with Axe on Quincey, but not on Tootoo. Quincey started bad and finished strong, but once you're a whipping boy around here (and once you're a hometown hero) there's no changing most people's minds. There was ZERO wrong with Quincey's play down the stretch and into the playoffs. Tootoo is another story in my opinion. He was under utilized. I know Bab's had all sorts of quotes about penalty minutes and this and that. But the truth is, both Boston and Chicago dressed at least one guy who was a penalty machine but still brought enough intangibles that they were worth being on the ice. Hell, Abby had 33 PIMs in 12 games. And he didn't score enough to make that worthwhile. Tootoo isn't Boogaard. He didn't play because Babs likes skill more than he likes aggressiveness (in spite of what he says), and once Babs doesn't like a guy it's awfully hard to change his mind.

Q is signed for thankfully only 1 more year. Just enough time to fast track Sproul, our futurw #1 dman. People can quote me for future reference if anyone thinks I'm out to lunch...but I'm calling it now.

You're not exactly going out on a limb here. He's the highest rated defensive prospect we've got. He's further along the developmental curve mentally, physically, and skill wise than any of our other prospect d-men. Plus, he's projected to have the much higher upside based on his mix of skill and size. It's a little like "gambling" that Mrazek will be a starting goalie, or Mantha a top line forward. The sky would literally have to fall for this to not be true.

I agree. Q is overpaid, but he's a decent d-man and the only one besides Kronwall who played both special teams. People just have unrealistic expectations for some players.

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Ok then let's have a conversation about Quincey. Turnover after turnover after bad mistake. The only reason he wasn't in the press box was because we had no one to replace him with. You seriously think he is good then I beg you to get your eyes checked because he was abysmal.

He's good. Trust me, Euro.

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He's not up for a new contract. He's our #3, and he's starting to kick some butt with the development of our younger guys. What defense are you watching? We took both the Ducks and Blackhawks to game 7, and our defense looked SPECTACULAR for only having played together for 2-3 months. Tootoo was in the fricking PRESS BOX. Lets have a conversation about Tootoo's playoff performance last year. Oh, wait. We're done. Ok, fine. The year before, then. Oops. We're done, again.

ohhhhhh...so it was all Quincy that got us past the ducks and almost past the hawks??? You asked me if I only watched the first 10 games...Seems like you weren't even watching Quincy the way you are defending him thinking he was some second coming of Lids. I do agree with kipwinger that he started off really really bad then he did finish strong but that comes with playing time which tootoo didn't get. But Quincy was no savior of this team I tell you that.

I have said this whole time Tootoo needs more playing time.

Just a curiosity question axe....are you one of those folks that think there shouldn't be hockey in southern states and the fans in those said states know nothing about hockey?

I agree. Q is overpaid, but he's a decent d-man and the only one besides Kronwall who played both special teams. People just have unrealistic expectations for some players.

Yeah I can agree with this but on the other hand people on here seem to think just because some players were under utilized that they are not worth their pay.

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ohhhhhh...so it was all Quincy that got us past the ducks and almost past the hawks??? You asked me if I only watched the first 10 games...Seems like you weren't even watching Quincy the way you are defending him thinking he was some second coming of Lids. I do agree with kipwinger that he started off really really bad then he did finish strong but that comes with playing time which tootoo didn't get. But Quincy was no savior of this team I tell you that.

I have said this whole time Tootoo needs more playing time.

Just a curiosity question axe....are you one of those folks that think there shouldn't be hockey in southern states and the fans in those said states know nothing about hockey?

Yeah I can agree with this but on the other hand people on here seem to think just because some players were under utilized that they are not worth their pay.

No. Im one of those fans that means "good" when I say good. I say "great" when I mean great, "Norris caliber" when I mean Norris caliber, and "the 2nd coming of Lidstrom when I mean the 2nd coming of Lidstrom. I dont need to defend Quincey. His TOI, salary, and coach's confidence are enough to stand on their own without needing defence. Players in the PRESS BOX making 2 mil per as healthy scratches need to be defended. Why you choose that battle is beyond me. We have plenty of likeable players.

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No. Im one of those fans that means "good" when I say good. I say "great" when I mean great, "Norris caliber" when I mean Norris caliber, and "the 2nd coming of Lidstrom when I mean the 2nd coming of Lidstrom. I dont need to defend Quincey. His TOI, salary, and coach's confidence are enough to stand on their own without needing defence. Players in the PRESS BOX making 2 mil per as healthy scratches need to be defended. Why you choose that battle is beyond me. We have plenty of likeable players.

Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me.

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/73755-biggest-mistake-red-wings-have-done/

even you agreed it was a mistake to bring him back

I even think I found my answer why it is you are defending him

"This is how I feel. If the old guys dont put up the stats, then they should sit. But Babcock cant just sit a guy Holland is paying 2 mil a year to play."

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Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me.

I'm surprised you haven't caught on yet.

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Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me.

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/73755-biggest-mistake-red-wings-have-done/

even you agreed it was a mistake to bring him back

I even think I found my answer why it is you are defending him

"This is how I feel. If the old guys dont put up the stats, then they should sit. But Babcock cant just sit a guy Holland is paying 2 mil a year to play."

He makes 3.75 mil per. Ericsson will make more next year too.

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Brunner isn't signing here. Happy? :P

Q is overpaid but other guys are worse. The Canucks got Ballard and he was promptly a $4.2 mil or so healthy scratch for 2 seasons. Others are almost as bad.

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@RedWingsFeed: TMR: Talking Brunner And Cleary: Anshar Khan of Mlive answered some questions... http://t.co/gPSacypypP via @KuklasKorner #NHL #RedWings

Edit: also,

@dchesnokov: Hiller, Josi, Sbisa, Streit, Weber, Brunner among the 48 called up to the camp of the Swiss Olympic Team. http://t.co/QjhflKg81r #Sochi2014

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I wanted Brunner back as much as the next guy, but at this point it really is time for us Wings fans to move on. First of all he's asking for too much money and looks as though he's sticking to his guns. And on top of that our complete logjam at forward makes it nearly impossible to sign anyone, let alone someone asking for a million more than they're worth. And with so many young talented forwards in our system, it becomes a no brainer to let Damien walk. We should all just focus on the positive that we no longer have to deal with worthless Dan Cleary taking up a top-6 roster spot :bye1:

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Khan's take on the Brunner situation:

A. It's highly doubtful that Brunner will return. He was seeking a multiyear deal worth around $3.5 million a season. The Red Wings offered two years at $2.5 million per season. They were hesitant to offer more to a player with no track record in the NHL (just 44 games).

I doubt that Brunner would significantly lower his asking price to return to Detroit. Plus, he's looking for a top-six role to maximize his offensive ability, and the Red Wings are set with their top six.


http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/07/red_wings_questions_readers_wo.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-redwings+(Detroit+Red+Wings+-+MLive.com)

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The thing that makes Brunner so expendable is that he's so one dimensional. He's small and isn't strong defensively. They already have Tatar and Nyquist like that, although both should improve their back checking with experience.

If Cleary is brought back, and right now it's looking pretty unlikely unless they get a ton of injuries, it will be as a bottom 6 role and will be more for his off ice influence than anything else. If I was Nill I'd offer a short term contract for good money so he could mentor Seguin. Cleary was there before, the high draft pick who would rather party than work. He could be a good influence.

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I like Brunner, but Tatar will be a fine replacement and make everyone forget about LeBrun.

Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen.

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Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen.

Tatar and Nyquist aren't going anywhere unless we get some damn good players back in return.

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Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen.

It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season

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Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen.

I hope not either. Hopefully Kenny can do something else that doesn't involve losing either kid.

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It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season

I honestly think they decided last year was a transition year and to try them out which is exactly what they did. Unexpectedly made the playoffs and put up a decent run but left Tatar down because he was there when the Griffins went on their run. Not to mention he was the MVP and potted 16 goals.

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It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season

It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone.

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It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone.

Oh c'mon Axe, lol

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While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud :lol: ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion:

I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug*

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Don't forget Tatar is younger too. He turned pro at 18.

I think both will eventually be better than Brunner, in different ways. Tatar has a little more sandpaper in him. Nyquist is smoother. Tatar reminds me of Hudler, only bigger and a better skater. Nyquist is more like Zetterberg lite.

Just please remember that they will be rookies and don't wrote them off when they make rookie mistakes and score 10-15 goals and 30-35 points.

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