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Several people have asked for a source and you just ignore them. Now you've "heard" it. I "heard yzerman and lids are coming out of retirement and will be back this year. No source I just "heard" it

He said he heard it from the start. He has responded to requests for a source by telling people that he has no physical source and that it is just something that he heard.

What is it with people? Is reading comprehension so low nowadays that people can't understand the word "heard" means that it was something that was not sourced?

If you say you read it, you can provide a link or at least a reference if it was hard copy. If it was seen, you can provide a reference. If it was on the radio, you can provide the station and/or speaker.

If you just heard it, that's all it is. Someone said it. You repeated it. It may or may not be true.

If someone passes off something they heard as fact, that's one thing, but if they state outright that it was just something that they heard, then that's another.

We've wasted more time on this site asking for sources for things that aren't sourced than it's worth.

If there's a source, provide it. If not, say that there's no source (i.e. "I heard it.") and everyone just take it for what it's worth.

Not everything in the world is "sourced".

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He said he heard it from the start. He has responded to requests for a source by telling people that he has no physical source and that it is just something that he heard.

What is it with people? Is reading comprehension so low nowadays that people can't understand the word "heard" means that it was something that was not sourced?

If you say you read it, you can provide a link or at least a reference if it was hard copy. If it was seen, you can provide a reference. If it was on the radio, you can provide the station and/or speaker.

If you just heard it, that's all it is. Someone said it. You repeated it. It may or may not be true.

If someone passes off something they heard as fact, that's one thing, but if they state outright that it was just something that they heard, then that's another.

We've wasted more time on this site asking for sources for things that aren't sourced than it's worth.

If there's a source, provide it. If not, say that there's no source (i.e. "I heard it.") and everyone just take it for what it's worth.

Not everything in the world is "sourced".

What is it with people? The same could be said about the tone in your post.

He said he heard it but didn't say where. For several posts he was evasive as to the source. He could've heard it on TSN, which is a lot more credible than from a friend.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a source. People share links here to get the latest and greatest about happenings in hockey. The idea is also so people don't just randomly make things up to win arguments.

If upon first being asked he had said it was from a friend, the thread wouldn't be derailed like it is now.

Now let's all try to get back on topic about Brunner.

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What is it with people? The same could be said about the tone in your post.

He said he heard it but didn't say where. For several posts he was evasive as to the source. He could've heard it on TSN, which is a lot more credible than from a friend.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a source. People share links here to get the latest and greatest about happenings in hockey. The idea is also so people don't just randomly make things up to win arguments.

If upon first being asked he had said it was from a friend, the thread wouldn't be derailed like it is now.

Now let's all try to get back on topic about Brunner.

I've got no problem with asking for a source. It's the repeatedly asking after a person says that they just heard it. If there's a source, great. If not, it's hearsay.

"Source" has almost become a meme.

But yes, back to Brunner...

Are there any rules- written or otherwise- that preclude a gentlemen's agreement that if he doesn't sign with anyone and goes back to Switzerland that he'd be allowed to sign later on in the season if a trade or LTIR gave us the space and need?

Not saying that he'd do it, but the summer is winding down and there doesn't seem to be a lot happening on the Brunner front.

Just from talking to totally unsourced, unreliable people with no connections to the hockey world (like most of us here), I've been hearing a lot of "probably going back to Switzerland if he can't land a good spot here". No idea if it's true, and "here" has referred to both the Wings and the NHL.

I'm just wondering if there was a possibility of him coming later in the season if a spot opened up.

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He said he heard it from the start. He has responded to requests for a source by telling people that he has no physical source and that it is just something that he heard.

What is it with people? Is reading comprehension so low nowadays that people can't understand the word "heard" means that it was something that was not sourced?

If you say you read it, you can provide a link or at least a reference if it was hard copy. If it was seen, you can provide a reference. If it was on the radio, you can provide the station and/or speaker.

If you just heard it, that's all it is. Someone said it. You repeated it. It may or may not be true.

If someone passes off something they heard as fact, that's one thing, but if they state outright that it was just something that they heard, then that's another.

We've wasted more time on this site asking for sources for things that aren't sourced than it's worth.

If there's a source, provide it. If not, say that there's no source (i.e. "I heard it.") and everyone just take it for what it's worth.

Not everything in the world is "sourced".

Exactly.

Would you sign Brunner 2 years/2.5 mil per?

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Exactly.

Would you sign Brunner 2 years/2.5 mil per?

In a heartbeat, if I had the cap and roster space.

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Otherwise the site will be awash in people making up whatever they want about players.

Welcome to LGW!

Where Fedorov takes nights off, Franzen is lazy and sucks, Howard is "Average", and Brendan Smith should be traded.

In a heartbeat, if I had the cap and roster space.

Me too. I dont like him at 4, but I like him at 2.5.

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Welcome to LGW!

Where Fedorov takes nights off, Franzen is lazy and sucks, Howard is "Average", and Brendan Smith should be traded.

Me too. I dont like him at 4, but I like him at 2.5.

But franzen is lazy and sucks at everything in hockey except scoring 25 goals a year.

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But franzen is lazy and sucks at everything in hockey except scoring 25 goals a year.

And consistently being one of our better +/- players.

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And consistently being one of our better +/- players.

What a horrible stat. What would his +/- be if he was in the panthers? Come on.. you can do better.

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Tootoo > Cleary > Brunner > Samuelsson. Red Wings without Tootoo would be a miserable sight, gotta at least have some physical presence somewhere. The rest are pretty much done. Despite Cleary's decent playoff performance he simply is not what he used to be anymore. Brunner is not worth the money, he is as one dimensional as they come. I have no diubt Tatar will replace him easily. Sammulsson -no comments necessary.

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Brunner to Irish league for a rain coat and pint of Guinness (annually)?

almost....KHL. Detroit offered him 3 years for a total of 7 million. his agent said no. Devils didnt want to go above 2,5. now he is sitting at home running out of options. KHL could be a short term solution and I predict he will end up in Zug again before the end of the year

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What a horrible stat. What would his +/- be if he was in the panthers? Come on.. you can do better.

I know you weren't asking me this, but how is that different than any other stat if he was on a poor team? His point scoring along with most other stats will go down playing on garbage clubs.

It's no more a "horrible stat" than anything other....its relative.

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I know you weren't asking me this, but how is that different than any other stat if he was on a poor team? His point scoring along with most other stats will go down playing on garbage clubs.

It's no more a "horrible stat" than anything other....its relative.

Not entirely. Some players do just fine with bad linemates. Look at dats this year

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Not entirely. Some players do just fine with bad linemates. Look at dats this year

*Linemates*....Not an entire team. Apples to Oranges.

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*Linemates*....Not an entire team. Apples to Oranges.

Majority of the year our team was pretty bad. One of the worst goals/game in the league. Terrible pp and pk. So my comparison is legit

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almost....KHL. Detroit offered him 3 years for a total of 7 million. his agent said no. Devils didnt want to go above 2,5. now he is sitting at home running out of options. KHL could be a short term solution and I predict he will end up in Zug again before the end of the year

This is kind of my thinking at this point also. Its tough to evaluate a rookie player from a shortened season looking for a contract asking for that kind of money, it's like buying a race horse after seeing it run half a lap.

If he wants to stay in the NHL, take a smaller, short contract, see how it goes, worst case scenario he makes 4 million dollars to bring back home with him for playing two seasons of hockey.

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Majority of the year our team was pretty bad. One of the worst goals/game in the league. Terrible pp and pk. So my comparison is legit

The Wings still finished 7th in the conference, yet again made the playoffs and the Panthers were cellar-dwellars with garbage from front to back. The comparison is not legit, IMHO.

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The Wings still finished 7th in the conference, yet again made the playoffs and the Panthers were cellar-dwellars with garbage from front to back. The comparison is not legit, IMHO.

At least we can both agree that Weiss should have better stats here...

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At least we can both agree that Weiss should have better stats here...

EXACTLY (and pretty much my point too)! ....and yes, I agree Weiss stats as a whole should go up. His points scored may or may not suffer due to the talent up and down the lineup compared to FLA, but I agree.

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Look, you never see so many quality free agents wait this long. The reason for it is not because Brunner's agent screwed up, or he screwed up. It's because the cap decreased, which rarely (or never) has happened since the cap was instituted and thus waiting for teams to straighten out their cap situation is necessary. If the cap had stayed the same (or decreased marginally) Damien Brunner would have signed by now on his terms, though maybe not with the Wings, and we wouldn't be talking.

Again, this is a super atypical year for free agents, and drawing conclusions from it is not truly indicative of anything. Last year (and most years before that) Damien Brunner would have made every penny he was asking for based on his stats. Hell, if Ville Leino made what he did then Brunner would surely have cashed in.

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Look, you never see so many quality free agents wait this long. The reason for it is not because Brunner's agent screwed up, or he screwed up. It's because the cap decreased, which rarely (or never) has happened since the cap was instituted and thus waiting for teams to straighten out their cap situation is necessary. If the cap had stayed the same (or decreased marginally) Damien Brunner would have signed by now on his terms, though maybe not with the Wings, and we wouldn't be talking.

Again, this is a super atypical year for free agents, and drawing conclusions from it is not truly indicative of anything. Last year (and most years before that) Damien Brunner would have made every penny he was asking for based on his stats. Hell, if Ville Leino made what he did then Brunner would surely have cashed in.

Filppula played like garbage and cashed in.

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Filppula played like garbage and cashed in.

Agreed, but Cleary played better and didn't. That's the point I'm trying to make. This year is really scattershot as far as free agency goes because of the new CBA. Any other year all of these guys would have received good money for their production. But this year is different. If you didn't sign early, you were destined to wait until teams could figure out their cap situations. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Filppula played like garbage and cashed in.

Like t or not, flip is a well established nhl player. The bolts knew what he could provide from years past, and they had to fill a void left by lecavalier when they bought him out

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