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I don't know about that. He's still a grinder and projected fourth liner. If Griffins stats were that relevant, Emmerton would be our next big prospect with his points/game.

Callahan gets a lot of dirty goals. Hope he's at least given a shot next year.

Emmerton never had more than 12 goals in a season and really only ever put up modest production. He was by no means considered "the next big thing" based on his AHL totals (because they weren't that impressive). While Callahan is definitely out performing expectations, I don't think that comparing him to a center that never produced much is fair. It's not unreasonable to think that Mitch could put up 20-25 goals this season, which is impressive for anyone at the AHL level. If most of those come from crashing the net, all the better. I don't think he'll be a force in the NHL or anything, but his knack for the net shouldn't be marginalized either.

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Emmerton never had more than 12 goals in a season and really only ever put up modest production. He was by no means considered "the next big thing" based on his AHL totals (because they weren't that impressive). While Callahan is definitely out performing expectations, I don't think that comparing him to a center that never produced much is fair. It's not unreasonable to think that Mitch could put up 20-25 goals this season, which is impressive for anyone at the AHL level. If most of those come from crashing the net, all the better. I don't think he'll be a force in the NHL or anything, but his knack for the net shouldn't be marginalized either.

Emmerton was a bad example. My point was he still has the skillset of a grinder. That hasn't magically changed. He's not all of a sudden "dangerous".

Above average for the AHL for sure but he's an older player. He should be a leader on that team with the amount of rookies on it. Especially if he expects to make the Wings next year.

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Emmerton was a bad example. My point was he still has the skillset of a grinder. That hasn't magically changed. He's not all of a sudden "dangerous".

Above average for the AHL for sure but he's an older player. He should be a leader on that team with the amount of rookies on it. Especially if he expects to make the Wings next year.

Yeah, I agree that he's likely just having a freakishly good year by his standards. But, it's not unheard of for a guy with good skating and a willingness to go to the net to bag a decent amount (for the fourth line) of goals at the NHL level. If we could get solid agitating, defense, and energy out of him I'd be thrilled. If he could chip in 8-10 goals on top of that, I'd keep him on the fourth line for indefinitely. We'll have to wait and see, but I am really looking forward to him getting some time on the big club. In the future, if our fourth line were Callahan-Ferraro-Abby I'd be pleased as punch.

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I don't know about that. He's still a grinder and projected fourth liner. If Griffins stats were that relevant, Emmerton would be our next big prospect with his points/game.

Callahan gets a lot of dirty goals. Hope he's at least given a shot next year.

I want to be clear that I'm not projecting him to be a top 6 forward who knows how to fight and play hard ala Lucic. But to have a bottom six guy who has a scoring touch could be quite invaluable to this team. Babs and Holland preach responsible and productive hockey above all else. Callahan may be able to contribute where it matters most, while at the same time playing a greasy style game, which as LGW points out every 45 minutes, we lack.

I don't think we have a reliable player who can score dirty goals in front of the net. Cleary used to be that guy. Abby is sorta there, but he keeps switching lines and his role has changes accordingly. Helm when he's healthy. Callahan may be able to fit that role, but also specialize in it. That could be dangerous.

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Never heard him referred to as Dirty Harry before. I wouldn't have even guessed who the hell this was referring to. No big deal though, just a nickname :)

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Not only do I log onto LGW at least once per day and have never heard Callahan referred to as Dirty Harry, but LGW isn't meant to cater exclusively to hardcore forum posters. Nicknames are supposed to make it easier to discuss the team, not to prove how funny and clever you are. Making up nicknames that no one else uses is obnoxious and unnecessary. Watch...

It looks like Yellow Mustard is going to miss some time after catching that elbow last night against the Sabres. Its really bad timing too, because our defense already thin with Big Poppa out with a concussion and Bandit serving his 5 game suspension. I would say this forces us to call up someone from GR, most likely Billy the Kid or The Player Formerly Known As Steve. We might be in trouble on the back end until we get some regulars back, since this leaves the Boogeyman as our #1 defenseman. And you know what that means!!!!

Boogeyman - Hot Topic

Heebie Jeebies - Dances with Wolves

My Little Pony - Agent Orange

~&~ (The Player Formerly Known As Steve)

Hahahahahahaha i laughed so hard reading this, just read this aloud to all my friends and everyone laughed their asses off. Funniest LGW post i've ever read. Tip of the hat to you sir. Great rebuttle.

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Yeah, I agree that he's likely just having a freakishly good year by his standards. But, it's not unheard of for a guy with good skating and a willingness to go to the net to bag a decent amount (for the fourth line) of goals at the NHL level. If we could get solid agitating, defense, and energy out of him I'd be thrilled. If he could chip in 8-10 goals on top of that, I'd keep him on the fourth line for indefinitely. We'll have to wait and see, but I am really looking forward to him getting some time on the big club. In the future, if our fourth line were Callahan-Ferraro-Abby I'd be pleased as punch.

I want to be clear that I'm not projecting him to be a top 6 forward who knows how to fight and play hard ala Lucic. But to have a bottom six guy who has a scoring touch could be quite invaluable to this team. Babs and Holland preach responsible and productive hockey above all else. Callahan may be able to contribute where it matters most, while at the same time playing a greasy style game, which as LGW points out every 45 minutes, we lack.

I don't think we have a reliable player who can score dirty goals in front of the net. Cleary used to be that guy. Abby is sorta there, but he keeps switching lines and his role has changes accordingly. Helm when he's healthy. Callahan may be able to fit that role, but also specialize in it. That could be dangerous.

There's no doubt that Callahan, Sheahan and to a lesser extent Ferraro are all going to be coming up at the right time as some others are on their way out. Excited to see what they can do.

I'd like us to add another grinder of irish descent to make FA - Sheahan - Callahan and call it the "Irish Hand Grenade" :nhl_crach:

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been saying for weeks he should be up here and playing a few games to see how he handles the nhl , dont expect him to be a goal scorer but i think he'll be a gritty in your face player which we need .. he should be called up

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Emmerton never had more than 12 goals in a season and really only ever put up modest production. He was by no means considered "the next big thing" based on his AHL totals (because they weren't that impressive). While Callahan is definitely out performing expectations, I don't think that comparing him to a center that never produced much is fair. It's not unreasonable to think that Mitch could put up 20-25 goals this season, which is impressive for anyone at the AHL level. If most of those come from crashing the net, all the better. I don't think he'll be a force in the NHL or anything, but his knack for the net shouldn't be marginalized either.

I disagree that it is unfair to compare him to Emmerton. They're playing in the same league now. And, in that league, a 'center that never produced much' has a better point per game average than Callahan (by a good bit). Also, Emmerton may not have ever scored more than 12 goals in a season... but he's on pace for well over that now. Insert Callahan's name in for Emmerton's in the previous sentence and it is still true.

Just to be 100% clear - I have no issues with Callahan, btw. And, I wouldn't mind him getting a chance in Detroit.

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I'll add some context since I watch a lot of Griffins.

Callahan is playing lower in the line up than guys like Ferraro or Sheahan. He usually plays with someone like Triston Grant. He doesnt get regular PP time (did get some when there were call ups) but does play the PK. Callahan is outscoring Sheahan and Ferraro while getting way less opportunity on the PP and with less skilled linemates. Hes essentially playing the exact role he would in the NHL on grand rapids, whereas Sheahan and Ferraro are playing more of a scorers role.

Callahan is arguably the most trusted winger down there defensively. Hes out at the end of games when the other team has the goalie out and everything. Overall I do like how Sheahan has played since his call up and he has looked great, but between Callahan and Ferraro I'm not sure who should really have the edge. Both are fast (Ferraro has elite speed) but Callahan adds more of that rugged play and seems to put the puck in more.

All three should be on the team next year. They all deserve a chance. Callahan looks like a better play than Tootoo down in GR. And if the wings want to be tougher you need to keep Callahan. Hes cheap, homegrown toughness that you dont need to overspend on in free agency for guys like Tootoo

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I'm excited by this next wave of prospects due up, and would definitely be up for having Callahan get his cup of coffee in Detroit.

By the way, what's the scoop on Ferraro?

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I disagree that it is unfair to compare him to Emmerton. They're playing in the same league now. And, in that league, a 'center that never produced much' has a better point per game average than Callahan (by a good bit). Also, Emmerton may not have ever scored more than 12 goals in a season... but he's on pace for well over that now. Insert Callahan's name in for Emmerton's in the previous sentence and it is still true.

Just to be 100% clear - I have no issues with Callahan, btw. And, I wouldn't mind him getting a chance in Detroit.

I don't disagree with anything you say. You'd have to reread the post I was referencing. Someone had suggested that based on his AHL point totals, Emmerton would have been considered "the next big thing" while in the AHL, which is untrue. Neither he, nor Callahan, would (or should) be considered such. I don't mind Emmerton and I don't mind Callahan, but I don't think it's fair to say of Callahan, "until he proves it at the NHL level he's just like Emmerton, because Emmerton was the next big thing too". Emmerton wasn't, and thankfully neither is Callahan.

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I'm excited by this next wave of prospects due up, and would definitely be up for having Callahan get his cup of coffee in Detroit.

By the way, what's the scoop on Ferraro?

Ferraro is a speedy player. Hes got grit and will throw his weight around. He looks like Helm out there before Helm started scoring a lot. But lately he has been off his game, even Kaiser the griffs announcer who is a masive homer mentioned how he needs to step it up. Hes a really good PKer and will scrap a bit as well.

Realistically, Callahan and Ferraro would make the wings fourth line very fun to watch and interesting in the future. Both have above average speed, are pretty big hitters, both agitate and Callahan is a pretty solid fighter (Ferraro is alright and willing, not the best though). Both have skill though that makes them desireable. Both are good defensive players (Callahan is better 5 on 5, Ferraro on the PK) and both can PK really well. They each would add speed to the line up and a bit of a scoring touch. Theyre the type of energy guys that can make a really good fourth line that can be counted on, not a bunch of cast offs like the wings have right now.

Pretty much they would each give the wings more speed and toughness while not being a step down defensively and most likely better in the future than what the wings have right now. I would say Sheahan is starting to separate himself from these 2 with the call ups hes getting, but both these guys should at least have fourth line NHL futures. The only vet that the wings should consider bringing back is Alfie to get these young guys up and start giving the wings bottom 6 an identity

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I'm just looking forward to seeing ~&~ play.

He was exciting when he was just Steve.

Oh my lord!

Hahahhahahaahhaaha!!! The fact that this was slipped in there AFTER everyone sort of returned to the normal conversation for awhile is HYSTERICAL.

Well played and excellent humor!

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Oh my lord!

Hahahhahahaahhaaha!!! The fact that this was slipped in there AFTER everyone sort of returned to the normal conversation for awhile is HYSTERICAL.

Well played and excellent humor!

Ha. thanks.

I was laughing so hard at it, that I felt I'd throw it in.

My gf asked what in gods name i was laughing at, and being a casual fan, she didnt get it. so i felt I had to share to someone.

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I don't know about that. He's still a grinder and projected fourth liner. If Griffins stats were that relevant, Emmerton would be our next big prospect with his points/game.

Callahan gets a lot of dirty goals. Hope he's at least given a shot next year.

The problem is we have so many fourth line players as it is. And Hollands love affair with cleary and Sammy and what not. There might not be room. If tootoo, Sammy, cleary, Bert, eaves and emmerton are gone then I personally would love a sheahan glendening and Callahan fourth. I just don't see it happening and I think Callahan and Ferraro will be the odd men out.

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This is the first (I am ashamed to say) I'm hearing the handle "Dirty Harry" for him but it's awesome. I just called him Mitchum for some reason...I like Dirty Harry a lot more haha

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Not only do I log onto LGW at least once per day and have never heard Callahan referred to as Dirty Harry, but LGW isn't meant to cater exclusively to hardcore forum posters. Nicknames are supposed to make it easier to discuss the team, not to prove how funny and clever you are. Making up nicknames that no one else uses is obnoxious and unnecessary. Watch...

It looks like Yellow Mustard is going to miss some time after catching that elbow last night against the Sabres. Its really bad timing too, because our defense already thin with Big Poppa out with a concussion and Bandit serving his 5 game suspension. I would say this forces us to call up someone from GR, most likely Billy the Kid or The Player Formerly Known As Steve. We might be in trouble on the back end until we get some regulars back, since this leaves the Boogeyman as our #1 defenseman. And you know what that means!!!!

Boogeyman - Hot Topic

Heebie Jeebies - Dances with Wolves

My Little Pony - Agent Orange

~&~ (The Player Formerly Known As Steve)

Hahahaha, this is brilliant! :lol: We need to use some of these names for players who don't currently have nicknames.

I'm thinking My Little Pony = Kindl (seems appropriate somehow)

Agent Orange = Smith (Agent Smith...)

Dances With Wolves = Cleary (used to be really good, now he's gone all Waterworld)

Any more for any more?

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No love for Teemu Pulkkinen? He's doing great his first season in NA.

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No love for Teemu Pulkkinen? He's doing great his first season in NA.

I've been high on this guy since the draft, hope he can continue at the rate he could be a future star. I've always though that he would either eventually play in the wings top 6 or completely disappear.

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No love for Teemu Pulkkinen? He's doing great his first season in NA.

I read an article about him the other day and the gist of it was that while he's scoring pretty well, his defensive game is still pretty poor, which I imagine is why he hasn't been called up.

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The problem is we have so many fourth line players as it is. And Hollands love affair with cleary and Sammy and what not. There might not be room. If tootoo, Sammy, cleary, Bert, eaves and emmerton are gone then I personally would love a sheahan glendening and Callahan fourth. I just don't see it happening and I think Callahan and Ferraro will be the odd men out.

The problem with the "fourth line players" the wings have now is that they arent actual fourth liners. A fourth line should provide energy, some grit and defensive play at least. Instead the wings are putting washed up skilled guys who didnt play a fourth line role their whole career in the bottom 6. Emmerton is a scorer who cant score, hes not good on the PK, draws and not physical. Sammy is the biggest waste of space ever, hes so slow and still tries to stick handle around everyone like hes a top 6 player, Cleary is ridiculously old and broken down (and not even scratched ever) and even Eaves doesnt do much out there. Hes injury prone and redundant.

You take out those guys who are filler and put in specialist types and the fourth line would have an identity. Sheahan is the big, defensive center that can chip in some offense and is a great PK guy, Callahan will piss the other team off, throw big hits, fight a bit and is a really good PK guy and Glendening is a bit of a balance of the two. He agitates a little and plays a bit physical but is also more defensive minded. I consider Callahan and Glendening fast and Sheahan solid speed wise. Theyre all young and want to prove smoething as well. What is Samuelsson or Cleary playing for? Theyre handed a spot on the team and have made their millions over their careers. Need some guys who are hungry which all three of those would be, and would likely feed off each others energy

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