chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=746710&navid=DL|NHL|home The Pittsburgh Penguins acquired forward David Perron from the Edmonton Oilers on Friday in exchange for forward Rob Klinkhammer and a first-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft. Perron, 26, has five goals and 19 points in 38 games, one season after he set career highs with 28 goals, 57 points and eight power-play goals. The 26th pick in the 2007 NHL Draft by the St. Louis Blues, he has 117 goals and 274 points in 456 games with the Blues and Oilers. "It's always hard leaving a place where you're emotionally involved, no matter how tough the situation was here. Once you look past that, there's not many better opportunities to go to and I'm really excited about that," Perron said. Perron leaves an Oilers team that is tied for the fewest points in the NHL at 24 and joins the Penguins, who are tied for first place in the Metropolitan Division, one point off the Eastern Conference lead. "He's a great teammate, a great guy in the room, so we're going to miss him," Oilers forward Matt Hendricks said. "He's got a good opportunity now." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 Damn, just noticed this was talked about in the Oilers presser thread. Did'nt see a thread dedicated to it. Mods do what you will... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 a first rounder for a second line winger seems like a lot 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 I disagree with that. A late first round pick, which is what the Pens pick would be, can range from a first line player to a complete bust. I think the most common (or average) would be a second line player or 2nd pairing defenseman. I think this was a good trade for Pittsburgh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) a first rounder for a second line winger seems like a lot It's really not, especially when you consider their needs. They're the best team in their division, maybe in their conference. They want the Cup. A late 1st means nothing to them. They need wingers like whoa. Perron scored 30 goals for the Edmonton Oilers. Imagine what he could do in the Pens' top six. Edited January 2, 2015 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah, i think the Pens won this trade. Late first rounder and a spare part who played 10 games this season for a physical winger who has put up close to 60 points in the past. You'd think the Oil could have gotten a bit more for him elsewhere though. Maybe they tried and failed, it is Edmonton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MabusIncarnate 5,344 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 I think this is newsworthy enough for it's own thread. I think the Pens win this deal, like the rest are saying, it's a late 1st rounder. Klinkhammer isn't a terrible 3rd or 4th line option either, but Perron is a quality player to get in return. While Edmonton is wheeling and dealing with the Roy trade and now this, it's an ideal time to ship them Kindl and/or Lashoff for Petry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 It's really not, especially when you consider their needs. They're the best team in their division, maybe in their conference. They want the Cup. A late 1st means nothing to them. They need wingers like whoa. Perron scored 30 goals for the Edmonton Oilers. Imagine what he could do in the Pens' top six. Even with Shero not at the helm, the Pens are not afraid to make trades to fill winger needs for Crosby and Malkin. Good trade for them. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 I think this is newsworthy enough for it's own thread. I think the Pens win this deal, like the rest are saying, it's a late 1st rounder. Klinkhammer isn't a terrible 3rd or 4th line option either, but Perron is a quality player to get in return. While Edmonton is wheeling and dealing with the Roy trade and now this, it's an ideal time to ship them Kindl and/or Lashoff for Petry. YES! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 The Pens are winning this trade easily, it will be a very late first rounder and Crosby finally has his winger. Is Perron a first line winger? Hardly but he is still better than a lot of the wingers Crosby and Malkin had to play with so it makes some sense The oilers are now setting themselves up for McEichel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,559 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Why does everybody always say that Crosby needs a winger? Chris Kunitz is really good. He was a 20+ goal a year player BEFORE playing with Crosby, and he's consistently been one after playing with Crosby. Did people think when he got put on a line with Crosby that he'd score 50? And is that what Pittsburgh needs in order to win? Because having two 90-100 point players and a bunch of guys that can score 15-25 goals ought to be enough...if your defense and goalie arent' terrible anyway. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cnot19 191 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Why does everybody always say that Crosby needs a winger? Chris Kunitz is really good. He was a 20+ goal a year player BEFORE playing with Crosby, and he's consistently been one after playing with Crosby. Did people think when he got put on a line with Crosby that he'd score 50? And is that what Pittsburgh needs in order to win? Because having two 90-100 point players and a bunch of guys that can score 15-25 goals ought to be enough...if your defense and goalie arent' terrible anyway. I think the idea that Kunitz needs to be replaced stems from him struggling with the puck I think he's a very good complimentary piece to a center who carries the puck. I know he struggles with the puck on his stick and with carrying play but I think he's the type winger Crosby needs since he's so good at possessing the puck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Why does everybody always say that Crosby needs a winger? Chris Kunitz is really good. He was a 20+ goal a year player BEFORE playing with Crosby, and he's consistently been one after playing with Crosby. Did people think when he got put on a line with Crosby that he'd score 50? And is that what Pittsburgh needs in order to win? Because having two 90-100 point players and a bunch of guys that can score 15-25 goals ought to be enough...if your defense and goalie arent' terrible anyway. Nobody here likes Kunitz because he looks like Hudler Edited January 3, 2015 by GMRwings1983 2 kipwinger and Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,559 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 I think the idea that Kunitz needs to be replaced stems from him struggling with the puck I think he's a very good complimentary piece to a center who carries the puck. I know he struggles with the puck on his stick and with carrying play but I think he's the type winger Crosby needs since he's so good at possessing the puck When you've got elite level centers you don't need (or want) guys like Kunitz carrying the puck anyway. You want guys that can find open ice and finish scoring changes, which Kunitz does. Either way, it was a good trade for Pittsburgh obviously. They're 2015 pick isn't going to be too high as their record is pretty good, and Perron is another capable winger who'll fit nicely with their big guns (or even with Sutter). He'll give them real scoring depth and they basically gave up a second round pick to get him. Solid trade. Nobody here likes Kunitz because he looks like Hudler I never put those two together, but you're absolutely right. Which center looks most like them? Tarasenko maybe? Imagine a line of all three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ash11 78 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Good trade for the pens, if perron is a 1st round pick, can we get petry for a 2nd and kindl? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Nobody here likes Kunitz because he looks like Hudler And his only career teams are Anaheim and Pittsburgh so he can go f*** himself. Roster player and a 1st for a 2nd liner is a steep price, but I understand why Pittsburgh did it. Perron is a diver and a whiner so he'll fit right in with Sid and the boys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cnot19 191 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 When you've got elite level centers you don't need (or want) guys like Kunitz carrying the puck anyway. You want guys that can find open ice and finish scoring changes, which Kunitz does. Either way, it was a good trade for Pittsburgh obviously. They're 2015 pick isn't going to be too high as their record is pretty good, and Perron is another capable winger who'll fit nicely with their big guns (or even with Sutter). He'll give them real scoring depth and they basically gave up a second round pick to get him. Solid trade. I never put those two together, but you're absolutely right. Which center looks most like them? Tarasenko maybe? Imagine a line of all three. Agreed maybe I didn't make it clear that he doesn't need to be replaced I think Kunitz is a near perfect winger since he excels at being a finisher he's not good defensively or creative with the puck but he has no reason to be when playing with Crosby it seems like some people want to put crosby an elite level winger but often times those guys want the puck just as much as him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Why does everybody always say that Crosby needs a winger? Chris Kunitz is really good. He was a 20+ goal a year player BEFORE playing with Crosby, and he's consistently been one after playing with Crosby. Did people think when he got put on a line with Crosby that he'd score 50? And is that what Pittsburgh needs in order to win? Because having two 90-100 point players and a bunch of guys that can score 15-25 goals ought to be enough...if your defense and goalie arent' terrible anyway. Crosby needs a winger because Crosby is picky about his wingers. ...and what Golden Boy WANTS, Golden Boy GETS. (okay, it isn't necessarily that...) ...but I have heard discussion about what kinds of wingers Crosby needs and what wingers work best with him (specifically around Olympic selection time) ...and when your team IS made up of two 90-100 point players and a bunch of guys that can score 15-25 goals... you may want to bolster those 15-25 goal guys when they're not really scoring/are injured AND you're defense and goalie ARE terrible. (Okay, the defense at least... MAF hasn't been completely horrible -- and typically isn't horrible in the regular season) ...but that's the game the Pens play. We're GOING to outscore you with our forward corps. Edited January 3, 2015 by e_prime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,973 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 So......a 3rd/4th line player and a low 1st rounder? Does that mean, with our 1st rounder no doubt going to be a higher pick, we could've scored Perron for lets say, our 1st and Andersson? I wonder if Holland had any conversation's about Perron or is he just waiting for 2008 Franzen to show up still.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 So......a 3rd/4th line player and a low 1st rounder? Does that mean, with our 1st rounder no doubt going to be a higher pick, we could've scored Perron for lets say, our 1st and Andersson? I wonder if Holland had any conversation's about Perron or is he just waiting for 2008 Franzen to show up still.... Whomever is hurt before the tdl will be our deadline acquisition, or he'd trade away a young center for a 3/4 rd line center and of courses kicks the tires... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,973 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 you just have to figure that the Wings could've beat that easily considering where they will draft. Holland must be good with his team the way it is. There is no doubt that Perron would've made our offense better...of course Babcock would probably play him on the 4th line with Weiss anyhow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,559 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Why the hell would the Wings want David Perron? You guys are acting like we've lost out on some huge need here. Perron is a good player, but he's not some big, goal scoring, power forward. He's an smallish, offensive, skilled player. We've got so many of those that Stephen Weiss is currently playing on the fourth line. We have ZERO need for David Perron, so lets not cry over spilled milk. 3 kliq, number9 and nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,973 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 its time for Holland to grow a set. I understand building through the draft, but we already have something like 16 players on our team that we drafted, you have no less than 7 players out of exemptions the next two summers. If he plans on making 0 efforts to compliment these kids with real NHL talent, we are going to have the same roster for the next 6 years and are going to lose kids via waivers. When you see a trade like this that would really only cost you a pick, considering we have a plethora of bottom 6 players to spare, you wonder what the hell is going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,973 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Perron would have helped our offense. Now he is going to help the Pens offense and they gave very little. Holland could've beat that offer and should've. Abby and Franzen are not top 6 players and aren't getting it done. Perron would've been an upgrade over both of them in our top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,559 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Perron would have helped our offense. Now he is going to help the Pens offense and they gave very little. Holland could've beat that offer and should've. Abby and Franzen are not top 6 players and aren't getting it done. Perron would've been an upgrade over both of them in our top 6. Perron, given his skill set, would not have been competing for a spot with Franzen and Abby. He would have been competing with Nyquist and Tatar...both of whom are better. Babcock likes a big bodied puck retrieval type guy on each line ideally. So even if we got Perron, he'd still keep Abby and/or Franzen in the top six. Do you honestly think Mike Babcock would put Perron on one wing and Tatar or Nyquist on the other? Keep dreaming dude. I get that you've got a lot wrapped up in this "Holland is stupid and lazy" thing, but he shouldn't pursue EVERY available player just because he could, theoretically, beat the best offer. If it doesn't address a need then he shouldn't do it. And Perron doesn't address a need. I'd be with you if it were a good puck mover, or a big forward. But what does Perron do that Tatar, Nyquist, and Weiss don't do better? And like I said, given Babs' preferences, those are the guys he'd be competing with for a spot in the top six. Not Helm, Abby, or Franzen. 2 number9 and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites