Jasper84 333 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 I love how everyone thinks KH and the gang suck.. Meanwhile, they're making moves to ditch cap space and get better. The best picks are gone.. why not trade down, shed salary cap, and pick a few spots later. BRILLIANT! I couldn't agree more. I love the trade he just pulled off - never expected it. Lets see what he can do with all the extra cap space come July 1. 1 FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greene709 27 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Ya sure by giving up a gift instead of eating the damn contract for 1 year and the beast known as Chychrun. If they fail to Stamkos he needs to be fired guy has lost it Gift? How so?Sent from my STV100-3 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Great trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 I'm sorry about all of the mean things I've said about you, Kenny. I know you're reading this. Good job, chief. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 KH effing 10 moves ahead from everybody. 1 FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Now I'm just worried if he strikes out on Stamkos, he'll overpay Okposo or sign Backes/Brouwer to some term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 I think this definitely says "ALL IN" on the Stammer Sweepstakes ©. I couldn't agree more. I love the trade he just pulled off - never expected it. Lets see what he can do with all the extra cap space come July 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Gift? How so? Sent from my STV100-3 using Tapatalk You'll see what I mean as soon as Chychrun starts crushing people and be the new top pairing guy alongside OEL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yucky. GR bound? I know numbers don't tell the whole tale - has anyone seen him play and have any input? Joe Vitale... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/joe-vitale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 So how do we feel about Max jones at 20th? Yucky. GR bound? I know numbers don't tell the whole tale - has anyone seen him play and have any input? Would think so.. One more year as a little over a million. Most of that cap hit can be buried in GR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greene709 27 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 You'll see what I mean as soon as Chychrun starts crushing people and be the new top pairing guy alongside OEL.Nah. There is a reason he fell and it's a lot more than just a bad Prospects' game.Sent from my STV100-3 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings10 300 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Dennis Cholowski started off his draft season without much fanfare, as the NHL Central Scouting service initially ranked him as a ‘C’ prospect, signifying a prospect expected to go in the middle rounds. Committed to play hockey next season at St. Cloud State University, Cholowski’s play in the BCHL had done little to inspire confidence he would be taken with a high draft pick in the 2016 Draft. However, he improved in leaps and bounds this season, upping his point totals and leading his Chilliwack Chiefs squad on a deep playoff run as the team’s leading point scorer from the blueline. He also captured a gold medal in the World Jr. A Challenge in December playing alongside fellow first-round prospects Tyson Jost and Dante Fabbro for Team Canada. Cholowski is one of the biggest risers among prospects this year, as his strong play has catapulted him from a mid-round prospect to one who has the look of a late first-rounder. His skating ability and puck skills are valuable to a team with aspirations of strong possession numbers, and his recent growth spurt hasn’t sapped him of his agility or strong edgework. His passing ability and offensive instincts are impressive for a player out of the BCHL, as he is able to use strong gap control to steal the puck in his own end and then transition the play up to his forwards in the blink of an eye. He’s no defensive slouch either, as he uses his long reach effectively to maintain good spacing on opposing forwards and relies more on sound man on man play to negate scoring chances than his physicality. He’s a weapon on the power play thanks to his vision in the offensive zone, which led to an impressive 28 assists in the regular season and then 11 more in Chilliwack’s playoff run. His play in the World Jr. A Challenge really solidified his surprising draft stock boom, as he played alongside two of the best Junior A players in the country in Tyson Jost and Dante Fabbro and excelled on their journey to the gold medal. He is still a candidate to slip out of the first round, however, as his recent growth spurt means he’s quite skinny and physically raw for a player in this age group and could definitely stand to pack on some muscle before entering the pro ranks. His defensive instincts also aren’t quite as strong as his offensive abilities, as he was sheltered from playing on the penalty kill with the Chiefs and doesn’t possess strong defensive positioning. His shot could also stand to improve, as for a player with his large frame his lack of strength shows in his relatively weak shot. His release is solid, though, suggesting he can eventually develop into a respectable shooter from the point. Cholowski is a noticeable step down from the top tier of defenders eligible for the draft, be he still offers tantalizing upside as a late bloomer and someone whose ceiling remains somewhat of a mystery. His skating is a promising glimpse into what his ultimate upside could be, as a gifted puck moving defender who is able to take care of business in his own end and play big minutes in all situations. He’s still very raw, as the highest competition he’s faced has been in the second-tier BCHL, but he’s committed to play at one of the top hockey programs in the country next season with the St. Cloud State Huskies. A team with depth that can afford to take a chance on Cholowski could do worse than to grab a player with his upside, allow him to develop at a slow pace in the men’s college ranks, and then have a pro-ready possession monster to plug into their lineup in three years’ time. NHL Draft Projection: Cholowski has risen from a potential mid-round draft pick at the start of the season to a potential first rounder in 2016. The Pittsburgh Penguins’ success with smart, strong skating defensemen likely piqued the interest of many other organizations and the NHL in general is trending in the direction of smooth-skating possession defenders. Cholowski isn’t a lock to go in the first round, but his strong season in the BCHL shouldn’t see him drop further than the middle of the second round. Quotables: Two-way defenceman with good offensive instincts. Quarterbacks PP. Was outstanding during BCHL playoffs. He plays a steady game but not dimensional in any area. Retrieves pucks well and has a very good transition game with quick decisions and a crisp hard first pass to get his team started up ice. Mobility on the offensive point gives him the advantage in finding open lanes. Good gap control and good stick positioning defending the rush. Makes a good first pass. Intelligent player who keeps the game simple on the defensive and offensive sides of the game. Needs to bulk up and add strength. ISS Dennis Cholowski is a strong two-way defender. Offensively he moves the puck very well, with a strong first pass out of the zone to get the transition game started. He has good vision and can make tape-to-tape passes through small openings. Due to high-end hockey sense and IQ, Cholowski often makes the right play with the puck on his stick. Cholowski doesn’t have a cannon from the point, but it has decent power. Cholowski’s speed is slightly above average, but he could improve by working on being more explosive in his stride. In terms of lower body strength and power, he could stand to add some muscle. Ben Kerr, Last Word on Sports Cholowski is an extremely raw young defenseman. He is very thin and undeveloped physically. He is an elegant skater who moves around the ice with great footwork and fluidity. While clearly lacking in strength, he still is able to zig-zag around the ice powerfully. He consistently breaks up plays with great stick positioning and makes it difficult for players to generate offense by constantly pestering puck carriers. Cholowski shows great vision through the middle of the ice and is a constant threat to expose mistakes with his quick identification of developing opportunities. He has everything that is very difficult to teach—anticipation, instincts and a long, athletic stride with great edges. On the other hand, everything that he lacks—such as strength and defensive positioning—can be taught. Future Considerations 3 marcaractac, NerveDamage and FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luvmnger 125 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 and we passed on michigan boy max jones eh? he better be good, or jones not so good. 1 Euro_Twins reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Get to watch Cholowski at Saint Cloud state! 1 FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Terrible pick. Holland likes to do this. Makes a good trade with the Yotes. Then instead of taking a better player goes out and takes a reach. Even if Cholowski makes it some day-5-6 years from now, others that were on the board will already be in the NHL producing. Oh well. Terrible pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankIt 9 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yeah I would have rather went with Gauthier or Jones in that spot, but Cholowski could develop into a nice 2nd pairing. He may not be done growing either, plus he is going to a good program who will develop him properly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achildr1 255 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 This. Obviously I'm no NHL Scout but it really seemed like there were safer picks with just as high of ceilings on the board. I felt like I should ha known after that trade that he'd blow the pick. Feels like Kindl...I really hope i'm wrong. Larkin was "Helm with hands" and no one really thought he would do what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Cholowski was the next D after Stanley. Seems the organization just really wanted a defenseman. My philosophy is always best-player-available (other than goalie), but I can understand the rationale. Our prospect pool is very thin on defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankIt 9 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 I wonder if having the two, second round, picks might allow KH to take a flyer on Day. Then best forward available with the second. 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 I wonder if having the two, second round, picks might allow KH to take a flyer on Day. Then best forward available with the second. Really, really hope so. Hes got all the tools to be a stud, he just needs to figure out the mental side of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Kinda disappointed henrik borgstrom went so high , had hoped we could of landed him in the 2nd or 3rd somehow (where he was projected to be ) but somehow he went really early So who do we grab tomorrow ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yeah, great trade to get rid of Datsyuk's contract and also pick up another 2nd rounder, while moving back just 4 spots... Unfortunately though, that pick couldn't have been worse (as it looks right now)... I said long ago that I wanted either McLeod or Bean (assuming Chychrun wouldn't have been available...) and if they were gone, I was hoping to trade back and pick Jones. Either one of Jones or Gauthier would have been great picks there, hell I could name at least 10 players I would have taken before this Cholowski kid... Of course I hope he becomes a huge steal, but I really can't see this kid developing into anything more than a 2nd / 3rd pairing defenseman... Prove us wrong Kenny... 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 It's clear that they want to build their defensive prospect pool. To be honest, we're pretty saturated on the forwards pool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 You don't take a defenseman that far off the table unless they actually seen something special in the kid... Here's to hoping... If we absolutely had to take a defenseman there (I don't think we should have), I would have much rathered see us take Johansen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 It's tough to predict defensemen. College hockey could help this kid. I trust the scouts to be honest. They must have seen something in him that they didn't in the remaining forwards. He'll likely be a late bloomer. He looked like he was 12 years old lmao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites