Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, kickazz said:

Yeah imagine being a franchise and having just one number retired until 1991. Yeah that was us lol. If anything Chris Illitch is even more lenient than Mike Illitch was. 

Chris is more $ focused. Raising retired numbers to the rafters sells tickets, throwback jerseys, memorabilia, advertising etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of it now.

[kickazz 5,459]

4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Chris is more $ focused. Raising retired numbers to the rafters sells tickets, throwback jerseys, memorabilia, advertising etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of it now.

Right, the way the celebrated the 1000th game for Zetterberg was a little over the top... Game him a time piece.. medallion? I don't remember what else, even made a video with Datsyuk talking from Russia lol. Chris Illitch made an appearance himself (how often do you see that happen?) I don't even think they celebrated like that for Yzerman's 1000th game. If they did I honestly don't remember. 

Edited January 7, 2018 by kickazz

[LeftWinger 5,132]

Osgood is HOF material. You cannot say he has so many wins because he played in Detroit. He has 401 wins, with 84 of them coming while playing with NYI and STL. That's 20% of his wins NOT playing behind Detroit's D.

 

All 4 must be retired, if they aren't, something stinks. The 3 others ARE Hall material. There is no debate.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Did they seriously retire Hedge Duck's number?  

[xault 272]

I think if Ozzy and Fedorov numbers go up, than there no reason to not have Shanahan go with them.

The poll question should add 14 in the mix.

Edited January 8, 2018 by xault

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

21 minutes ago, xault said:

I think if Ozzy and Fedorov numbers go up, than there no reason to not have Shanahan go with them.

The poll question should add 14 in the mix.

What hurts Shanny is that he played for too many other teams. Wings were only 1 of 5. He played more seasons in other jerseys (12) than for the Wings. He kinda gets the Chelios treatment.

[kliq 3,763]

2 hours ago, xault said:

I think if Ozzy and Fedorov numbers go up, than there no reason to not have Shanahan go with them.

The poll question should add 14 in the mix.

I think his fate has been sealed. Typically if they allow another player to wear the number (ie. Nyquist/14) then its not going up. Notice nobody has had 30 or 91 since those two left. 

[LeftWinger 5,132]

I guess we see if we are JT winners this July, if he gets 91 or not. That will be a big indicator. I know he's not JT, but Richards wasn't able to wear it...and that at least tells me that they aren't trying too hard to separate themselves from Feds. Not that i believe they were trying, but if you listen to some people, you would think they hated each other. 

I'm betting nobody wears any of those 4 #'s again. I guess we'll see if we win JT. 

6 hours ago, kliq said:

I think his fate has been sealed. Typically if they allow another player to wear the number (ie. Nyquist/14) then its not going up. Notice nobody has had 30 or 91 since those two left. 

I think you're on to something, think of the players that lead us to Cups, most #s have been recycled at least once. 19 & 5 of course not used, but 8, 14, 39, 17, 13, 18, 2...all very important #s in our Stanley Cup run(s.) I'm sure I'm missing a couple as well.

[kickazz 5,459]

#91 is clearly out of circulation thanks to Holland. Although that could change with a new GM.

As far as #30 are we sure this is out of circulation? It just seems like a number most people aren’t interested in wearing aside from goalies. And we’ve really only had 2 goalies since Osgood retired. Mrazek is wearing Legace’s number and Howard had his number since before Osgood retired. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by kickazz

[LeftWinger 5,132]

When I win both of the lotteries this week, then after I purchased controlling interest in the Red Wings, I will put up ALL 4 numbers before by middle of next season.

I will also have a special retirement for #'s 6, 16 and 24.

[toby91_ca 620]

16 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Osgood is HOF material. You cannot say he has so many wins because he played in Detroit. He has 401 wins, with 84 of them coming while playing with NYI and STL. That's 20% of his wins NOT playing behind Detroit's D.

I'm not sure what you mean by suggesting that 84 wins from other teams is somehow an argument to use for HOF.  During those 84 wins, I'd argue he was an average goalie in the league, some might argue below average, but it doesn't really matter.

My biggest argument for Osgood making the HOF is that he has 400+ wins, I don't think there is much more to support an argument.  Most detractors would argue he accumulated those wins on stacked teams....I guess that's where you are using the 20% thing, but not sure how that holds much water.

Here's how I look at all the wins he accumulated with Detroit and why I don't see him as a HOFer:  During Osgood's tenure = DET winning percentage with Osgood in net = 0.654, winning percentage with him out of the net = 0.666.

Some may argue that he played against the better competition and back up got easier teams, etc.  But he was the back up a lot of times as well and there is enough of a sample size to suggest those numbers show the guy in net wasn't a big reason for the wins.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

40 was always going up

13 and 91 are never going up, but keep fooling yourselves anyway

[kickazz 5,459]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

40 was always going up

13 and 91 are never going up, but keep fooling yourselves anyway

Lol why do you say that? 

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

When I win both of the lotteries this week, then after I purchased controlling interest in the Red Wings, I will put up ALL 4 numbers before by middle of next season.

I will also have a special retirement for #'s 6, 16 and 24.

They should play this video on the night the three of them get retired:

 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

15 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Lol why do you say that? 

There won't be any dirty communist team bailers in my rafters

If I'm wrong, I'll paint a picture of their jersey raising and submit it in shame on this board for all to see. But I have a feeling that won't be happening. 

[kickazz 5,459]

7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

There won't be any dirty communist team bailers in my rafters

If I'm wrong, I'll paint a picture of their jersey raising and submit it in shame on this board for all to see. But I have a feeling that won't be happening. 

Beyond all this sarcasm and political prejudice you have a point. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

13 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Beyond all this sarcasm and political prejudice you have a point. 

LGW, year 2136, VR hologram chat: "Boy 91 should be up there, I'm guessing it will be sooner rather than later"

[Legendary D In 03 50]

If this was pre-Datsyuk ******* off to russia, I'd expect 13 up there. Now, I don't even want it retired. And, he's my favorite player of all time.

[kickazz 5,459]

I don't even think Datsyuk cares if it was retired to be honest. He's way more into his country, which is fine. 

I think the others might care more though. 

Edited January 9, 2018 by kickazz

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Anyone notice that multiples of 8 are not good luck for defenseman? Fischer wore 8 at one point, Vladdy wore 16, Salei wore 24. Kuznetsov wore 32, got traded and disappeared. Although that's not as bad as the other 3.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

13 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Anyone notice that multiples of 8 are not good luck for defenseman? Fischer wore 8 at one point, Vladdy wore 16, Salei wore 24. Kuznetsov wore 32, got traded and disappeared. Although that's not as bad as the other 3.

Chelios did pretty well with 24, though. And if your thinking the 8 as a hex - since his career was longer than any other NHL defenseman, I don't think it fits.

Edited January 10, 2018 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[xault 272]

On 1/7/2018 at 11:04 PM, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

What hurts Shanny is that he played for too many other teams. Wings were only 1 of 5. He played more seasons in other jerseys (12) than for the Wings. He kinda gets the Chelios treatment.

Terry Sawchuk played for 5 different teams also. But yeah I do think he kind of gets the Chelios treatment.

On 1/8/2018 at 1:03 AM, kliq said:

I think his fate has been sealed. Typically if they allow another player to wear the number (ie. Nyquist/14) then its not going up. Notice nobody has had 30 or 91 since those two left. 

Sadly I agree.

 

The insane high standards to get your number up in the rafters is crazy for the Red Wings. It's easier to get in the Hall of Fame than be in the rafters, something wrong about that in my opinion.

Shanahan may of also played 10 seasons with the Wings, if not for the lockout. Racking up even more numbers, maybe another cup  

Edited January 10, 2018 by xault

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

7 minutes ago, xault said:

Terry Sawchuk played for 5 different teams also. But yeah I do think he kind of gets the Chelios treatment.

Sadly I agree.

 

The insane high standards to get your number up in the rafters is crazy for the Red Wings. It's easier to get in the Hall of Fame than be in the rafters, something wrong about that in my opinion.

Shanahan may of also played 10 seasons with the Wings, if not for the lockout. Racking up even more numbers, maybe another cup  

That's because it's a bigger honor to be in our rafters than to be in the HHOF, and I hope we keep it like that

[xault 272]

7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

That's because it's a bigger honor to be in our rafters than to be in the HHOF, and I hope we keep it like that

I don't see it changing anytime soon, so you are in luck. 

[LeftWinger 5,132]

15 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

And Hatcher wore 00.  Creepy

Huh?

[Jacksoni 418]

Too subjective, we need a measure stick in regards to what the hell goes in to putting a shirt on the top of a building.
Players like the Captain and Elbows don't need that. It get's a little more tight around Z, Dats and the Supreme Sergei Fedorov.

So can we get a measure stick? No. Red wings ownership won't release a methodology for this, it's more of a mystic worship. Reminds me of the Sony/Marvel universe in a way.

So no stick, no book, just plain old gut feeling. With that said put Z up. Datsyuk 'fled', Fedorov fled for sure.
Z's last two years I feel don't matter if he 'flees', it's a 1m cap hit per year. Something tells me he'd make arrangements to have that money returned somehow.

Just my two pre(quantum)-scientific 19th century silver coins.

Edited January 10, 2018 by Jacksoni