Red Wings Expansion Draft Protected List

[chaps80 1,591]

Is Nosek being taken even a for sure thing? Didn't read any of the links yet.


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[GoalieManPat 1,007]

Are people really upset that Nosek got taken? Really? The guy tops out as maybe a decent 3rd line guy. Our team is full of 3/4 line plugs. Outside of Kronwall or Big Erection this was the best available outcome.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,618]

2 minutes ago, GoalieManPat said:

Are people really upset that Nosek got taken? Really? The guy tops out as maybe a decent 3rd line guy. Our team is full of 3/4 line plugs. Outside of Kronwall or Big Erection this was the best available outcome.

This just hirts Grand Rapids.  How is Nosek going to play over Miller?

[amato 3,208]

12 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

This just hirts Grand Rapids.  How is Nosek going to play over Miller?

Well neither have a contract with the wings anymore soooo.. he isn't? 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,618]

10 minutes ago, amato said:

Well neither have a contract with the wings anymore soooo.. he isn't? 

Now the one’s that were left unprotected

• Petr Mrazek
• Luke Glendening
• Darren Helm
• Riley Sheahan
• Xavier Ouellet
• Drew Miller
• Tomas Nosek
• Ben Street
• Ryan Sproul
• Jared Coreau
• Martin Frk
• Eric Tangradi
• Jonathan Ericsson
• Niklas Kronwall
• Brian Lashoff
• Jake Paterson
• Dylan McIlrath
• Adam Almquist
• Louis-Marc Aubry
• Colin Campbell
• Edward Pasquale

 

Drew Miller was on our unprotected list, so I thought he was on the team.

[amato 3,208]

5 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Now the one’s that were left unprotected

• Petr Mrazek
• Luke Glendening
• Darren Helm
• Riley Sheahan
• Xavier Ouellet
• Drew Miller
• Tomas Nosek
• Ben Street
• Ryan Sproul
• Jared Coreau
• Martin Frk
• Eric Tangradi
• Jonathan Ericsson
• Niklas Kronwall
• Brian Lashoff
• Jake Paterson
• Dylan McIlrath
• Adam Almquist
• Louis-Marc Aubry
• Colin Campbell
• Edward Pasquale

 

Drew Miller was on our unprotected list, so I thought he was on the team.

Ah. He's a UFA.. and it was already official that we weren't signing him. All UFAs are able to be protected or exposed by the team they played for last year though.

[Wings3:16 314]

Nosek was not waiver exempt now, he'd probably be waived in the fall anyway with Kenny's track record

[Jonas Mahonas 1,618]

20 minutes ago, amato said:

Ah. He's a UFA.. and it was already official that we weren't signing him. All UFAs are able to be protected or exposed by the team they played for last year though.

Gotcha.  My bad.  

[LeftWinger 4,743]

So, since we lost zero cap, we will have about $10M available counting Franzen to LTIR. Expect Tatar to get over half of that. 

[MileHighWingsGuy 178]

30 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

So, since we lost zero cap, we will have about $10M available counting Franzen to LTIR. Expect Tatar to get over half of that. 

 

When does the Franzen nonsense ever end?

[krsmith17 7,191]

I'm happy Holland doesn't have much cap space. Hopefully he stays far away from free agency. Just sign Tatar, Athanasiou and Ouellet, and that's it, no UFA's. I don't expect much in the way of trades, but if he can make one big splash for a young defenseman, without giving up the farm, I'd be very happy.

[LeftWinger 4,743]

12 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

 

When does the Franzen nonsense ever end?

What nonsense are you speaking Of? I'm not saying anything bad, I'm simply adding in his $3.8M to our available cap.

[BadgerBob 297]

11 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

but if he can make one big splash for a young defenseman, without giving up the farm, I'd be very happy.

If they can get that Foo kid maybe that'd make Tatar or Nyquist (preferrably Nyquist) expendable.

[MileHighWingsGuy 178]

28 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

What nonsense are you speaking Of? I'm not saying anything bad, I'm simply adding in his $3.8M to our available cap.

I guess I'm asking when his contract finally ends and we can stop playing the LTIR games every year. Seems like it just keeps going...

[brett 1,029]

just would have been nice to see if nosek could make the wings this season after an awesome post season in GR

wish they took someone else that could shed some cap

[chaps80 1,591]

I guess I'm asking when his contract finally ends and we can stop playing the LTIR games every year. Seems like it just keeps going...

He signed a longgg contract, which just seems to drag on even longer cause he's not playing.


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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

All this grumbling over Mrazek being exposed, he doesnt get selected, and a good lot of you are still grumbling lol. Damned if you do, damned if you dont I guess. 

Cheer up! Hasek light is still around to run old man Howard out of town! And we got more trades in the morning supposedly. When Ken does nothing there will be some more lovely good grumbles to be had.

[Dabura 11,951]

20 hours ago, chaps80 said:

Some of these analysts have to be huffing gas. Coreau has passed him on the depth chart? Based on what? Having a 3.46 GAA and .887 SV% in 14 games with Detroit last season, allowing 41 goals? Come on...

I could see if he was putting up pre-last season Mrazek numbers ( never lower than 2.36 GAA), but he wasn't. He was even questionable in the AHL playoffs.

Friedman was commenting on management's opinion of Coreau. He wasn't saying, "Coreau's been better than Mrazek." He was saying Mrazek's fallen out of favor with management.

20 hours ago, chaps80 said:

So contract negotiations were "tense", and mutual frustrations carried over. Ok? Not the first contract Holland has had to negotiate that was tense. Should all players just bend over in front of him? And of course there were frustrations. Holland was looking at making the playoffs and it obv wasn't happening. And can anyone honestly say they think Mrazek stunk it up cause he just didn't care or was so pissed off that it hurt his game? That's always great for a career. Maybe he was pissed off at Blashill for giving Coreau the starts that should have been his, especially when Coreau was no better. That makes sense. But to be pissed off about a contract negotiation and letting it carry over that long? Nah.

For all we know, Mrazek doesn't want to be a Wing anymore.

For all we know, it's a total smear campaign with almost no basis in actual reality.

For all we know, it's a total smear campaign with almost no basis in actual reality AND it was a bluff meant to dissuade Vegas from taking Mrazek.

Ultimately, we just don't know.

[sjr2012 439]

is it me or has alot of players had some fallen out with us one way or another the last couple years what is going on might explain why we arent the place to be 

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[Dabura 11,951]

20 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

If it's true that management have put Coreau ahead of Mrazek, that scares the s*** out of me... What makes them believe Coreau is better than Mrazek? Because he's bigger? He doesn't use that 6'6", 220lb. frame to his advantage at all. Because he won the Calder Cup? So did Mrazek, the difference being Coreau did it this year at 25, and Mrazek did it 4 years ago at 21. Mrazek has also had better numbers than Coreau every step of the way. Even as badly as Mrazek struggled this past season, his numbers were still better than Coreau's. Mrazek is a thousand times better than Coreau and any other goaltender in the pipeline. It's not even close. The fact that so many are ready to give up on a goaltender as young and talented as Mrazek is mind blowing. I don't give a s*** about the bad attitude. If he has such a poor attitude, trade him, don't give him away for free...

Protecting Howard over Mrazek was the wrong decision. I don't care if Howard has been better this past season, Mrazek is the better goaltender for this team going forward. He's 8 years younger and on a better contract (still RFA). There's no question in my mind that he will rebound from last season, it's just a matter of where he will be when he does it. BUT, let's just say he doesn't rebound and he puts up similar numbers again this season. Then don't offer him a new contract next summer, simple as that. Protecting Howard served no purpose. There's no way Vegas would have taken him, unless there was some sort of incentive attached to it.

Anyway, I think it's crazy that Holland actually left Mrazek unprotected, all we can hope for at this point is that maybe there's some sort of deal under the table to keep Mrazek while "sending him a message"...

Back when Coreau was called up, I made a few tongue-in-cheek posts here to the effect of "Coreau is The One. Coreau will save us all. Hail Coreau!" Because that's kind of how it works with new backup goalies and Red Wings Nation. And...well...it would seem The Prophecy is being fulfilled.

Or not.

I dunno.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We don't know why Howard was protected and Mrazek was exposed. On the surface, yeah, it's a bit of a head-scratcher. But I don't feel comfortable saying it makes no sense and was definitely the wrong decision. We can't rule out the possibility that it was a goof and we also can't rule out the possibility that it wasn't a goof.

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 hours ago, BadgerBob said:

If they can get that Foo kid maybe that'd make Tatar or Nyquist (preferrably Nyquist) expendable.

I think one of Nyquist or Tatar should be expendable, regardless if we get Foo or any other free agent this summer. Not because I think they're garbage (like some), but because we desperately need help on the back end. I believe Svechnikov could be one of their replacements over the next couple years. If we can use one in a package to acquire a young, unproven, potential top 2 defenseman I'd be happy. I'd be shocked if Holland does anything though, let alone a big multi-asset trade...

5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

All this grumbling over Mrazek being exposed, he doesnt get selected, and a good lot of you are still grumbling lol. Damned if you do, damned if you dont I guess. 

Cheer up! Hasek light is still around to run old man Howard out of town! And we got more trades in the morning supposedly. When Ken does nothing there will be some more lovely good grumbles to be had.

Good to hear you're finally coming around...

[e_prime 1,936]

9 hours ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

 

When does the Franzen nonsense ever end?

The year is 2020.

9 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm happy Holland doesn't have much cap space. Hopefully he stays far away from free agency. Just sign Tatar, Athanasiou and Ouellet, and that's it, no UFA's. I don't expect much in the way of trades, but if he can make one big splash for a young defenseman, without giving up the farm, I'd be very happy.

Exactly.  If anyone's on a short leash around here I want it to be Ken Holland.  No "new to you" veteran forwards!

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

So looks like Holland didn't even make a side deal to protect Mrazek. 29 teams didn't want to trade with Vegas for him. I'll be honest, I'm a bit shocked because that's an even lower valuation of Mrazek than I would have given. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

So looks like Holland didn't even make a side deal to protect Mrazek. 29 teams didn't want to trade with Vegas for him. I'll be honest, I'm a bit shocked because that's an even lower valuation of Mrazek than I would have given. 

Where are you getting this info from? We know that no assets were exchanged to keep McPhee away from Mrazek, but there could have been some sort of handshake deal. Maybe there was a conversation between Holland and McPhee before the protection lists were made, and McPhee made it very clear that he wanted Nosek. Holland may have even asked if he had any interest in any of our goaltenders, and he flat out said, "No, we're taking Nosek. We were very impressed with him in the Calder Cup Playoffs"... A lot of speculation I know, but that's all we really have at this point. But if that were the case, Holland had no reason to offer Vegas anything to extend their protection list. I don't know, I get that Mrazek's stock plummeted last season, but I find it very hard to believe that not a single GM in the league would have interest in him. Just over a year ago, he was in the conversation as a Vezina candidate. Anyway, I'm happy he's still a Red Wing, and I hope he's given an opportunity to prove that last season was an anomaly, and he is a true bonafide number one.

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

All things considered, I think this worked out pretty well for Detroit other than the character assault that's been happening with Mrazek. If he's truly a "cancer" in the locker room they totally ruined his trade value and now we still have 10 M + tied up in goaltenders which is never a good thing.

But.... having said that I'm glad he's still on our roster.