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Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

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2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

the f*** you been?

Been busy, and got tired of rehashing the same arguments.

Just now, LeftWinger said:

I'm not sure why it wouldn't work in real life...care to explain?

The Calgary deal MIGHT work.  Maybe, assuming they want to trade Hamilton.  The other deals aren't enough to induce the teams to give up those high draft picks.

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5 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Been busy, and got tired of rehashing the same arguments.

The Calgary deal MIGHT work.  Maybe, assuming they want to trade Hamilton.  The other deals aren't enough to induce the teams to give up those high draft picks.

This will be you then....

 

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15 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Been busy, and got tired of rehashing the same arguments.

The Calgary deal MIGHT work.  Maybe, assuming they want to trade Hamilton.  The other deals aren't enough to induce the teams to give up those high draft picks.

The Calgary deal is based on the fact that they only have 1 line there. Helm and Svech would certainly put them on the road to having a deeper team up front. The 2019 1st could be a lottery pick again, and that could mean Jack Hughes or somewhere else in the top 10 for them.

Chicago is asking teams to take Hossa and they will give away the #8 to a team willing to do so.  I know you watched to expansion draft, this is how that kind of thing works.

Montreal wants a Center (Kotkaniemi) but they don't want to take him at #3 when they can gain assets and get him a little further down the top 10.  Giving them a depth D-man, a nice bottom 6 center AND the #6 where Kotkaniemi will most likely still be sitting, is more than enough to dangle in front of Bergevin. Did you see his latest trade? He'd jump at this in a heartbeat.

The Vancouver deal may need to be sweetened up, but there's no doubt they are in need of Offense with the departure of the Sedins.  They have some good young talent there to put together with AA and Nyquist. They have Horvat, Boesner, Gaudette along with Petersson and Dahlen in the minors. Adding an electric player like AA to that group would be a great thing.  Nyquist, playing with that talent, may also return to his 30 goal form. Plus they get #30 which they could land a pretty good prospect as well.

I don't see how all of these trades wouldn't make sense for both sides.  Sure, it won't happen because it's just a fan suggesting this, not the Wings themselves, but these would most definitely benefit all.

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

The Calgary deal is based on the fact that they only have 1 line there. Helm and Svech would certainly put them on the road to having a deeper team up front. The 2019 1st could be a lottery pick again, and that could mean Jack Hughes or somewhere else in the top 10 for them.

I assume you mean only one scoring line? If so, Helm and Svech don't address that. Helm is and will always be a speedy, versatile 3rd liner and Svech projects to me to be another middle 6 forward (think Abby). Neither of them are scorers. If you switch out Helm with Nyquist, then Calgary might listen.

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3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

:lol:

That is a funny edit!

I want to thank everyone for all the kind words! I am good, I am moving forward, I don't want to talk about it and I NEED this forum to keep my mind going forward! Thanks Again!

Here is (are) my (fantasy) trade scenario(s) for draft day:

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Both Nyquist and AA address the offense and dynamics that Vancouver is in need of. Could very well become 1st line players there.

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Calgary is in DESPERATE need of another line. They have become a 1 line team, adding Helm and Svech gives them 2/3 making a very good line! To sweetin the deal the 2019 1s round is NOT lottery protected, so they get it no matter where we finish.  But we get a #1 in Hamilton, so we're good.

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Here I take Chicago up on their desperation to get rid of Hossa's contract. I'd give them a couple of mid to later round picks to take his contract and their #8 overall.  Worst case scenario, Hossa rides out his contract on LTIR much like Franzen. Best case scenario, he becomes healthy and gets us 15-20 goals a year for a couple of seasons. This eliminates the need to sign either one of Vanek or Kovy. Win-Wn for us and Chicago. (not that I am really into helping Chicago, but I'd piss down their back and call it rain to steal that #8 pick to get Oliver Wahlstrom.)

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Here is the good one. Sure, at first site, it doesn't look like a great deal for Montreal, but considering they are getting the #6 in return, two good old French Canadian kids to add to the team, PLUS they still should be able to draft the center they need in Kotkaniemi with that #6.

So that gives us #3, #7, #8 in the 1st round. With those picks I take

#3 - Zadina

#7 - Best D Available

#8 - Wahlstrom

With Larkin as our #1 center, Z will slowly transition out as the #2 over the next couple of season's giving way to Ras. Nielsen will remain #3 for the rest of his contract unless he allows us to flip him to a contender on a future TDL day.

I think, even with eliminating the 2019 1st round pick, that sets our rebuild on fire.

(BTW, SO glad I was absent during all that political stuff in the other thread! :lol: I might be the only one left here when the MODS return!)

Thanks again everyone for the kind words! I needed a break from life, but I need to move forward now and I had to get back on here to help keep my life moving on! Bring on Friday! Too bad I'll be working a 16 hour shift that day and will have to rely on my phone for updates! Here's to Holland ripping those tires right off the truck this year!

I do not have anything negative to say about any of this.

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6 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I don't care what you say about stuff, this Friday's going to be the Art Basel of hockey times!

Yeah. it seems they've upgraded to Peters :ninja:

But yes, I'm aware of how awesome ESPN is. 

Art Basel sucks

2 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

I did too.  I hate how politics has crept into everything.

I love it. Adds a lil spice.

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6 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Art Basel sucks

I love it. Adds a lil spice.

I had to look up what it even was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Basel

Art Basel is a for-profit, privately owned and managed international art fair staged annually in Basel, Switzerland, Miami Beach, Florida, and Hong Kong, selling established and emerging artists.

Like Basel?

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3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I had to look up what it even was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Basel

Art Basel is a for-profit, privately owned and managed international art fair staged annually in Basel, Switzerland, Miami Beach, Florida, and Hong Kong, selling established and emerging artists.

Like Basel?

I didn't know either... :turn:

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7 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

:lol:

That is a funny edit!

I want to thank everyone for all the kind words! I am good, I am moving forward, I don't want to talk about it and I NEED this forum to keep my mind going forward! Thanks Again!

Here is (are) my (fantasy) trade scenario(s) for draft day:

image.png.de42fc4d22e2b2af01ec088f3617730a.png

Both Nyquist and AA address the offense and dynamics that Vancouver is in need of. Could very well become 1st line players there.

image.png.f8efed71b25069a6aaad2b6ce49a5b54.png

Calgary is in DESPERATE need of another line. They have become a 1 line team, adding Helm and Svech gives them 2/3 making a very good line! To sweetin the deal the 2019 1s round is NOT lottery protected, so they get it no matter where we finish.  But we get a #1 in Hamilton, so we're good.

image.png.bc95f20dc7177a978d3c927526950496.png

Here I take Chicago up on their desperation to get rid of Hossa's contract. I'd give them a couple of mid to later round picks to take his contract and their #8 overall.  Worst case scenario, Hossa rides out his contract on LTIR much like Franzen. Best case scenario, he becomes healthy and gets us 15-20 goals a year for a couple of seasons. This eliminates the need to sign either one of Vanek or Kovy. Win-Wn for us and Chicago. (not that I am really into helping Chicago, but I'd piss down their back and call it rain to steal that #8 pick to get Oliver Wahlstrom.)

image.png.4740d04303cc58d1fb6c2c4142abb4f6.png

Here is the good one. Sure, at first site, it doesn't look like a great deal for Montreal, but considering they are getting the #6 in return, two good old French Canadian kids to add to the team, PLUS they still should be able to draft the center they need in Kotkaniemi with that #6.

So that gives us #3, #7, #8 in the 1st round. With those picks I take

#3 - Zadina

#7 - Best D Available

#8 - Wahlstrom

With Larkin as our #1 center, Z will slowly transition out as the #2 over the next couple of season's giving way to Ras. Nielsen will remain #3 for the rest of his contract unless he allows us to flip him to a contender on a future TDL day.

I think, even with eliminating the 2019 1st round pick, that sets our rebuild on fire.

(BTW, SO glad I was absent during all that political stuff in the other thread! :lol: I might be the only one left here when the MODS return!)

Thanks again everyone for the kind words! I needed a break from life, but I need to move forward now and I had to get back on here to help keep my life moving on! Bring on Friday! Too bad I'll be working a 16 hour shift that day and will have to rely on my phone for updates! Here's to Holland ripping those tires right off the truck this year!

It’s good to see you back Lefty! 

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8 minutes ago, BinMucker94 said:

The more I think about it the more I really want Holland to try to get another pick in the top 10. If he can get any combo of the following I will be extremely happy with this draft.

Zadina, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson, Wahlstrom, Boqvist.

Totally agree this team needs a high-end talent infusion. Love the list and the thought...Bouchard and Wahlstrom for me.

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10 minutes ago, BinMucker94 said:

The more I think about it the more I really want Holland to try to get another pick in the top 10. If he can get any combo of the following I will be extremely happy with this draft.

Zadina, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson, Wahlstrom, Boqvist.

You'd be extremely happy with two top 10 picks? No s***!

No personal offense, but this sort of statement isproblematic for me. First of all, the words "extremely happy". Dislike. It's as if "happiness" isn't enough. It has to be extreme. Secondly, that this all hinges on unrealistic expectations, sort of sums up some LGWers afflicted mentality. 

How about being "really happy" with one top 10 pick? Like the highest pick since Keith Primeau was drafted in 1990 (28 ******* years ago)?

I'd be really happy with that. 

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5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

You'd be extremely happy with two top 10 picks? No s***!

No personal offense, but this sort of statement isproblematic for me. First of all, the words "extremely happy". Dislike. It's as if "happiness" isn't enough. It has to be extreme. Secondly, that this all hinges on unrealistic expectations, sort of sums up some LGWers afflicted mentality. 

How about being "really happy" with one top 10 pick? Like the highest pick since Keith Primeau was drafted in 1990 (28 ******* years ago)?

I'd be really happy with that. 

Jesus Christ dude, let fans fan. 

Adding another top 10 pick is doable. And I'm with BinMucker and MileHigh, I'd be EXTREMELY happy if we were somehow able to pull that off. Sorry if that bothers you...

Seriously though, I hope we stay at 6, and move up from 30. Even if we get into the top 15-20, I'd be EXTREMELY happy. One of the defensemen at 6 and Veleno or Bokk in that range would be great as well.

26 minutes ago, BinMucker94 said:

The more I think about it the more I really want Holland to try to get another pick in the top 10. If he can get any combo of the following I will be extremely happy with this draft.

Zadina, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson, Wahlstrom, Boqvist.

I'd add Kotkaniemi as well, although I think he and Zadina will be gone before 6.

17 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

Totally agree this team needs a high-end talent infusion. Love the list and the thought...Bouchard and Wahlstrom for me.

This would be my dream scenario...

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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Jesus Christ dude, let fans fan. 

Adding another top 10 pick is doable. And I'm with BinMucker and MileHigh, I'd be EXTREMELY happy if we were somehow able to pull that off. Sorry if that bothers you...

Seriously though, I hope we stay at 6, and move up from 30. Even if we get into the top 15-20, I'd be EXTREMELY happy. One of the defensemen at 6 and Veleno or Bokk in that range would be great as well.

I'd add Kotkaniemi as well, although I think he and Zadina will be gone before 6.

This would be my dream scenario...

Fine!

Just remember when this doesn't happen to let "Holland Holland" Ya feel? 

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6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

You'd be extremely happy with two top 10 picks? No s***!

No personal offense, but this sort of statement isproblematic for me. First of all, the words "extremely happy". Dislike. It's as if "happiness" isn't enough. It has to be extreme. Secondly, that this all hinges on unrealistic expectations, sort of sums up some LGWers afflicted mentality. 

How about being "really happy" with one top 10 pick? Like the highest pick since Keith Primeau was drafted in 1990 (28 ******* years ago)?

I'd be really happy with that. 

You’re right I am happy with just the one pick. I don’t even really care who they take either. Sure I have my preferences but whoever they take has the potential to be an impact player for the organization. I wouldn’t call trading up unrealistic. There are plenty of assets that can be moved to jump up the draft board. In my opinion this is the time to be aggressive and take a chance to speed up the rebuild. Holland I’m sure has his game plan ready to go. I’m not going to be mad if he doesn’t end up moving up in the first round. Just saying that with the quality of talent in the top 10, even 15 , it might be worth taking a risk. 

Sorry if what I said annoyed you but I’m sure you’ll get over it. Or not. Don’t really care.

 

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2 hours ago, BinMucker94 said:

The more I think about it the more I really want Holland to try to get another pick in the top 10....

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Adding another top 10 pick is doable. ...

Top-10 picks traded over the last 10 years:

2017: #8 for Stepan and Raanta

2014: #10 for Ryan (trade made in 2013)

2013: #9 for Schneider

2012: #8 for Staal

2011: #8 (+Voracek) for Carter, #9 part of Kessel deal

2010: #2 for Kessel (trade made in 2009)

2008: #9 for Vokoun, and some swapping of picks within the top-10

 

Judging by that, trading up into the top-10 seems an unrealistic hope unless you're willing to trade Larkin. 

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13 minutes ago, Buppy said:

Top-10 picks traded over the last 10 years:

2017: #8 for Stepan and Raanta

2014: #10 for Ryan (trade made in 2013)

2013: #9 for Schneider

2012: #8 for Staal

2011: #8 (+Voracek) for Carter, #9 part of Kessel deal

2010: #2 for Kessel (trade made in 2009)

2008: #9 for Vokoun, and some swapping of picks within the top-10

 

Judging by that, trading up into the top-10 seems an unrealistic hope unless you're willing to trade Larkin. 

Yeah trading up gets beaten to death every year. It's usually a pretty unrealistic pipe dream.

We probably have just a good of chance at successfully offer-sheeting Trouba...

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29 minutes ago, Buppy said:

Top-10 picks traded over the last 10 years:

2017: #8 for Stepan and Raanta

2014: #10 for Ryan (trade made in 2013)

2013: #9 for Schneider

2012: #8 for Staal

2011: #8 (+Voracek) for Carter, #9 part of Kessel deal

2010: #2 for Kessel (trade made in 2009)

2008: #9 for Vokoun, and some swapping of picks within the top-10

Judging by that, trading up into the top-10 seems an unrealistic hope unless you're willing to trade Larkin. 

Peter. Chiarelli.

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1 hour ago, Buppy said:

Judging by that, trading up into the top-10 seems an unrealistic hope unless you're willing to trade Larkin. 

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah trading up gets beaten to death every year. It's usually a pretty unrealistic pipe dream.

We probably have just a good of chance at successfully offer-sheeting Trouba...

Look at you sad sack defeatists, waving your tighty whitey flags and crying into your overpriced Somalian craft beers.

You disgust me.

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On 6/19/2018 at 2:26 PM, DickieDunn said:

Been busy, and got tired of rehashing the same arguments.

Translation: "I've been cheating on LGW with WIIM."

There's a special place in Heck for hockey forum traitors. Just sayin'.

(Welcome back.)

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So all of a sudden everyone remembered Andrei Svechnikov is a person who exists and he's now the undisputed consensus #2, I guess:

https://www.nhl.com/news/2018-nhl-mock-draft-final-rasmus-dahlin-no-1/c-299112416?tid=277764372

The consensus 3-10 pool is more or less set, but there is zero frking agreement re: order.

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