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3 hours ago, kickazz said:

No. I just like arguing. Someone can tell me to argue against everyone that Paris Hilton is not a ***** and I would do it. 

If you really liked to argue you'd argue against the person telling you to argue.

 

4 hours ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

I guess it's slightly different situation due his year in college team and starting in the BCHL when drafted, but I imagine the 20 years old rule would kick in as soon as he signed on with a WHL team. Do have any link that says the rule doesn't apply to him?

The whole idea of the agreement is so that the CHL doesn't get players taken away mid season or a year early which could hurt revenue, or when they've used assets to draft of trade or whatever the case may be (I know that later doesn't apply to Cholo).

Nothing that mentions Cholowski's exact situation, but from https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/who-can-play-where-and-why/c-889461

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for young players signed out of Europe or collegiate players who give up their remaining NCAA eligibility in order to sign an NHL entry-level contract or AHL minor league contract, the minimum age to play in the AHL is 18

Jeremy Morin is an example of a USDP player who went to the AHL at 19 after one year in the CHL. 

Again though, I'm not sure if that means Cholo could be moved mid-season. Moot point anyway, I'd say. 

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32 minutes ago, Buppy said:

If you really liked to argue you'd argue against the person telling you to argue.

 

Nothing that mentions Cholowski's exact situation, but from https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/who-can-play-where-and-why/c-889461

Jeremy Morin is an example of a USDP player who went to the AHL at 19 after one year in the CHL. 

Again though, I'm not sure if that means Cholo could be moved mid-season. Moot point anyway, I'd say. 

Damn, son.  You got kickazz there.

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1 hour ago, Euro_Twins said:

He hasn't proved or done anything significant yet. Also cholowski hasn't even played an nhl game yet. Quit trolling fool. 

Seriously, either you or kickazz need to change your avatars. Its like trying to figure out who's Mary Kate and who's Ashley.

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On 1/2/2018 at 11:59 PM, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Talk about glass half empty. 8th in scoring for an 19 year old defensemen is promising in any league. He's playing against 20 and 21 year olds. Besides he's a defenseman, so I'd rather he maybe be good at say...defense.

What are you talking about?  Are you at all familiar with the WHL or CHL in general?  You make it seem like he's a young guy playing against older players for the most part.  It's actually the exact opposite.

Firstly, he'll be 20 in a month, so suggesting he's a 19 year is accurate, but misleading.  Secondly, suggesting he's playing against 20 and 21 year olds is completely false.  There is not a single 21 year old in the league, because the age cut of is 20.  Not only that, each team is limited to only three 20 year olds.  15 year olds can play in the league (for up to 5 games anyway).  

He's a guy that will be 20 next month and playing against mostly 17 and 18 year olds.  Average age in the league is right around 18.

I always discount performance in junior from guys who are 19 and 20 years olds.

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2 hours ago, toby91_ca said:

What are you talking about?  Are you at all familiar with the WHL or CHL in general?  You make it seem like he's a young guy playing against older players for the most part.  It's actually the exact opposite.

Firstly, he'll be 20 in a month, so suggesting he's a 19 year is accurate, but misleading.  Secondly, suggesting he's playing against 20 and 21 year olds is completely false.  There is not a single 21 year old in the league, because the age cut of is 20.  Not only that, each team is limited to only three 20 year olds.  15 year olds can play in the league (for up to 5 games anyway).  

He's a guy that will be 20 next month and playing against mostly 17 and 18 year olds.  Average age in the league is right around 18.

I always discount performance in junior from guys who are 19 and 20 years olds.

Ummm...not quite.

1st bold: He turns 20 on Feb 15th. The season started on Sept 21st and ends on March 18th. He was 19 1/2 (is that accurate enough?) when the season started and he will be 20 all of one month when the season ends. He was essentially an 18 year old for all of last season. So yeah he's playing the season as pretty much a 19 year old, right?

Underlined bold: Although I admittedly don't follow the CHL, I do do research before I post. Here is the link I am basing ages on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_ice_hockey

Some tidbits from the article:

"Junior hockey is ice hockey competition generally for players between 16 and 21 years of age."

"The CHL currently places a cap of three 20-year-old or overage players per team, while only four 16-year-olds are permitted. "

Have I checked every teams roster to see how old every single player is? No. But common sense would dictate that teams would try to get as many older players on the team as they could. And being that Cholowski is going to be a 20 year old, it stands to reason that there are already guys in the league who started the season at 20 and will be 21 before the season is over. That would make them older with more years played, Right? And as I believe was already stated by kickazz(?) the guys who are above him in points are older and been in the league longer? Am I right? So how old are those guys?

2nd bold: Not according to the link I posted.

3rd bold: So then being 6th? in the league right now means nothing then?

Finally, my points were that he is playing well for the league he's in. Do you agree? He's a defenseman, so I am more concerned about his defense than points. Am I wrong?  One can argue the fine details all they want, but it doesn't change or delegitimize  anything I posted.

 

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Ummm...not quite.

1st bold: He turns 20 on Feb 15th. The season started on Sept 21st and ends on March 18th. He was 19 1/2 (is that accurate enough?) when the season started and he will be 20 all of one month when the season ends. He was essentially an 18 year old for all of last season. So yeah he's playing the season as pretty much a 19 year old, right?

Underlined bold: Although I admittedly don't follow the CHL, I do do research before I post. Here is the link I am basing ages on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_ice_hockey

Some tidbits from the article:

"Junior hockey is ice hockey competition generally for players between 16 and 21 years of age."

"The CHL currently places a cap of three 20-year-old or overage players per team, while only four 16-year-olds are permitted. "

Have I checked every teams roster to see how old every single player is? No. But common sense would dictate that teams would try to get as many older players on the team as they could. And being that Cholowski is going to be a 20 year old, it stands to reason that there are already guys in the league who started the season at 20 and will be 21 before the season is over. That would make them older with more years played, Right? And as I believe was already stated by kickazz(?) the guys who are above him in points are older and been in the league longer? Am I right? So how old are those guys?

2nd bold: Not according to the link I posted.

3rd bold: So then being 6th? in the league right now means nothing then?

Finally, my points were that he is playing well for the league he's in. Do you agree? He's a defenseman, so I am more concerned about his defense than points. Am I wrong?  One can argue the fine details all they want, but it doesn't change or delegitimize  anything I posted.

 

What you're forgetting is it's a development league for youth. Not many players with an NHL future will play more than 2-3 seasons there (18/19yrs old). Some skip it entirely. The older players in the league usually do not make it very far professionally as they would have moved on already if they could. 

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I don't get what the argument is here. 

Chowloski is ranked 6th among defense points and it's his first season in that league. The rest of the guys on top 10 have been in the league longer than him. Age wise only 2 of the players on the top 10 are younger than Cholowski, the rest older or the same age, but still all of them have been in the league longer. 

Regardless of how you cut it, Cholowski doesn't have any more significant advantage than the other 9 players, if anything the others have more experience in that league than he does. 

Edited by kickazz

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3 hours ago, Son of a Wing said:

What you're forgetting is it's a development league for youth. Not many players with an NHL future will play more than 2-3 seasons there (18/19yrs old). Some skip it entirely. The older players in the league usually do not make it very far professionally as they would have moved on already if they could. 

Totally valid point and I don't disagree with you. The guys over 19 still playing there are probably lesser players. (You could say that just about any league besides the NHL is full of lesser players.) But they also have more experience, which is a developmental advantage. My point was that Cholowski is playing against guys who ARE older (literally and developmentally) and have MORE experience at that level even if they have lower potential.

Not saying anyone is wrong or I'm right. I just see Cholowski's development as a positive and I am optimistic. Being 6th in points shouldnt be viewed as disappointment. Besides, I haven't heard Devellano complaining yet.

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

I don't get what the argument is here. 

Chowloski is ranked 6th among defense points and it's his first season in that league. The rest of the guys on top 10 have been in the league longer than him. Age wise only 2 of the players on the top 10 are younger than Cholowski, the rest older or the same age, but still all of them have been in the league longer. 

Regardless of how you cut it, Cholowski doesn't have any more significant advantage than the other 9 players, if anything the others have more experience in that league than he does. 

Haters gonna hate.

Edited by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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4 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Totally valid point and I don't disagree with you. The guys over 19 still playing there are probably lesser players. (You could say that just about any league besides the NHL is full of lesser players.) But they also have more experience, which is a developmental advantage. My point was that Cholowski is playing against guys who ARE older (literally and developmentally) and have MORE experience at that level even if they have lower potential.

Not saying anyone is wrong or I'm right. I just see Cholowski's development as a positive and I am optimistic. Being 6th in points shouldnt be viewed as disappointment. Besides, I haven't heard Devellano complaining yet.

Haters gonna hate.

Please use bolds.

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I dont get why people are disputing anything here. For the kid to be good at the NHL level, ideally he needs to play well in the WHL, then if/when he goes to the AHL he needs to play well also. Nobody is saying that success at the WHL level guarantees success at the NHL level, but its a good first step.

Can't we just leave it at that? All we can evaluate the kid by is his performance at the WHL level because that's where he is playing.

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10 minutes ago, kliq said:

I dont get why people are disputing anything here. For the kid to be good at the NHL level, ideally he needs to play well in the WHL, then if/when he goes to the AHL he needs to play well also. Nobody is saying that success at the WHL level guarantees success at the NHL level, but its a good first step.

Can't we just leave it at that? All we can evaluate the kid by is his performance at the WHL level because that's where he is playing.

He's not dominating against 18 year olds, so he sucks.

4 hours ago, kickazz said:

I mean if that's what you think. Bottom line is I have a hotter wife and a cooler son. 

Prove it.

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