Castaway (How former Wings are doing)

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Bykov could have been a good 2nd pair D here, but he preferred playing in his home country.  Had to blame him for that.

[martyrme19 73]

On 1/23/2018 at 11:59 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I'm more of a Ty Conklin guy

I'm more of a Bill Ranford guy!

[joesuffP 1,746]

Smith can’t stay in the lineup in NY, Quincey’s career is over, Jurco is barely playing with the Hawks. I don’t know if it’s good we didn’t miss out letting these guys go or it shows bad management that we drafted, developed and played these guys longer than any other NHL team was willing to.

I don’t think Sheahan and Jarnkrok put up those numbers here in Detroit and they’re rather pedestrian anyways. Still, bad return for Holland on those deals

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, joesuffP said:

Smith can’t stay in the lineup in NY, Quincey’s career is over, Jurco is barely playing with the Hawks. I don’t know if it’s good we didn’t miss out letting these guys go or it shows bad management that we drafted, developed and played these guys longer than any other NHL team was willing to.

I don’t think Sheahan and Jarnkrok put up those numbers here in Detroit and they’re rather pedestrian anyways. Still, bad return for Holland on those deals

Look whose back

[chaps80 1,591]

On 2018-01-23 at 9:42 AM, kickazz said:

I just want to know wtf Manny Legace is doing. Does he still broadcast for FSD?

 

Hex not in a psych ward?

Sorry, his breakdown is classic. Played well during the season, offered a raise and extension. He balked at, wanting to wait until playoffs were over, hoping he’d get more money.

Not only did he not get that, but he never wore a Wings jersey again.hahaha

Edited January 25, 2018 by chaps80

[kickazz 5,459]

3 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Hex not in a psych ward?

Sorry, his breakdown is classic. Played well during the season, offered a raise and extension. He balked at, wanting to wait until playoffs were over, hoping he’d get more money.

Not only did he not get that, but he never wore a Wings jersey again.hahaha

You sure about that?

Edited January 25, 2018 by kickazz

[Juklitz 85]

Jakub Kindl is playing Czech league in HC Plzen (Pilsen). Not sure about his play, but that so-called offensive machine has combined two points (1+1) in 21 games and also other (basic or advanced) sttats are far average. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 hours ago, kickazz said:

You sure about that?

I was at both of those games. 

[chaps80 1,591]

16 hours ago, martyrme19 said:

I'm more of a Bill Ranford guy!

How dare Z steal that number from him!

8 hours ago, kickazz said:

You sure about that?

Not as a part of the Wings NHL roster.

Alumni games, sure. But tons of former players have played in them. 

[DickieDunn 2,571]

15 hours ago, joesuffP said:

Smith can’t stay in the lineup in NY, Quincey’s career is over, Jurco is barely playing with the Hawks. I don’t know if it’s good we didn’t miss out letting these guys go or it shows bad management that we drafted, developed and played these guys longer than any other NHL team was willing to.

I don’t think Sheahan and Jarnkrok put up those numbers here in Detroit and they’re rather pedestrian anyways. Still, bad return for Holland on those deals

Every team has guys like that.  Stop acting like Detroit is a failure for not having every draft pick turn into a stud.  Quincey was actually a decent defenseman for awhile, the hate he got was because Holland traded a first rounder to get him back after waiving him previously, then he was perceived as overpaid.  As far as Sheahan and Jarnkrok go, Sheahan was terrible here.  Holland getting anything at all fro him was a good move.  Jarnkrok was a desperation move because they had almost all of their centers hurt at once.  If he Holland hand't done something and they hand't made the playoffs people would have freaked out.  Hell, even last yer people were crying about how important The Streak was.  Giving up on it before that was never going to happen

[joesuffP 1,746]

17 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Every team has guys like that.  Stop acting like Detroit is a failure for not having every draft pick turn into a stud.  Quincey was actually a decent defenseman for awhile, the hate he got was because Holland traded a first rounder to get him back after waiving him previously, then he was perceived as overpaid.  As far as Sheahan and Jarnkrok go, Sheahan was terrible here.  Holland getting anything at all fro him was a good move.  Jarnkrok was a desperation move because they had almost all of their centers hurt at once.  If he Holland hand't done something and they hand't made the playoffs people would have freaked out.  Hell, even last yer people were crying about how important The Streak was.  Giving up on it before that was never going to happen

This is true but I’m not thrilled with the teams drafting in the last 5-7 years

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

4 hours ago, chaps80 said:

How dare Z steal that number from him!

 

They both won the Conn Smythe Trophy.  

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

Every team has guys like that.  Stop acting like Detroit is a failure for not having every draft pick turn into a stud.  Quincey was actually a decent defenseman for awhile, the hate he got was because Holland traded a first rounder to get him back after waiving him previously, then he was perceived as overpaid.  As far as Sheahan and Jarnkrok go, Sheahan was terrible here.  Holland getting anything at all fro him was a good move.  Jarnkrok was a desperation move because they had almost all of their centers hurt at once.  If he Holland hand't done something and they hand't made the playoffs people would have freaked out.  Hell, even last yer people were crying about how important The Streak was.  Giving up on it before that was never going to happen

WOwowow Dickiedunn is actually supporting the management rationally.

Did you get a new promotion? I like this new guy better.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

This team has done a pretty good job drafting forwards actually. But on the flipside we've drafted nothing but terrible Dmen since Kronwall. Someone like Dahlin could be a huge game changer for us.

[kickazz 5,459]

3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

This team has done a pretty good job drafting forwards actually. But on the flipside we've drafted nothing but terrible Dmen since Kronwall. Someone like Dahlin could be a huge game changer for us.

No.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

No.

How annoyingly curt...

No, we haven't drafted good forwards?

No, we have drafted good Dmen?

No, Dahlin cannot save us?

Or all of the above?

[kickazz 5,459]

11 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

How annoyingly curt...

No, we haven't drafted good forwards?

No, we have drafted good Dmen?

No, Dahlin cannot save us?

Or all of the above?

No to your face. 

[joesuffP 1,746]

Nestrasil waived and out of the league, Ferraro waived and idk where he is now.  Pulkinnen NHL career is over. Wings can draft forwards that make the NHL some even hit their projections but nobody since Franzen has surpassed expectations. Most teams can draft bottom six forwards in the NHL especially when you draft them in the first three rounds. The wings have had 7 skaters that have hit the 20 goal mark at least once in their career if you count Mantha since 2002.  Add that to 1 top four defensemen. (Quincey) That’s not very good at all

Edited January 25, 2018 by joesuffP

[kickazz 5,459]

7 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Nestrasil waived and out of the league, Ferraro waived and idk where he is now.  Pulkinnen NHL career is over. Wings can draft forwards that make the NHL some even hit their projections but nobody since Franzen has surpassed expectations. Most teams can draft bottom six forwards in the NHL especially when you draft them in the first three rounds. Mantha, Larkin, Tatar and Nyquist are the only 20 goal scorers they’ve drafted since Hudler? Not very good

Ugh. I can’t believe we have to argue this again.

@Buppy do you want to contribute? 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

16 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Ugh. I can’t believe we have to argue this again.

@Buppy do you want to contribute? 

Buppy is kill, he cannot save you.

[chaps80 1,591]

5 hours ago, GMRwings1983 said:

They both won the Conn Smythe Trophy.  

Very true. Ranford wore #30 in Edmonton i think. Obv couldnt have it in Detroit cause it was Osgood's.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Drafting well and getting the best out of your players is two different things. Just because there are guys who are overpaid (on Holland) or underperforming (on coaching staff) doesn't make them bad draft picks.

[chaps80 1,591]

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Drafting well and getting the best out of your players is two different things. Just because there are guys who are overpaid (on Holland) or underperforming (on coaching staff) doesn't make them bad draft picks.

McCollum is an example. At the time he was one of the top goalies in the OHL, and i'm pretty sure the top goalie in his draft class. But when he got to the AHL he was pretty much stuck there because there was no room to move up in the contending years with Osgood, Howard, Conklin, Gustavsson all being around, then Mrazek leap frogging him on the depth chart. I don't think he ever started a game in Detroit, just called up as backup now and then and got to play a few periods. He basically stagnated while Holland kept him around for 8 seasons never getting a shot. Now his career is AHL or nothing.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 1/24/2018 at 5:18 PM, martyrme19 said:

I'm more of a Bill Ranford guy!

I remember when I was excited about Ken Wregget.

[chaps80 1,591]

Goalies had better looking gear then than they do today imo. Back when the pads were just above the knee. Brodeur was the last one to wear those. Now every goalie his the extended pads that almost reach their waist. Some look ridiculous in them. I dunno how they can even move, that would bug the s*** outta me.