2024 TDL Thread

[kipwinger 8,756]

I also think that in general SY doesn't want to deplete his prospect pool too much. Replacing guys like Fabbri with guys like Mazur (on an entry level deal) is going to create a competitive advantage for this team in a few years. I doubt SY is in a rush to trade away a bunch of cheap NHL caliber talent for a rental right now. Maybe in a year or two when we're really close to competing for a Cup.

I can see our 2nd/3rd round picks and B-level prospects in play, but outside of Berggren (who I think it probably gone at the deadline) I don't see him moving any prospects of any value (Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson, Danielson, Cossa). Maybe Johansson, Wallinder, Lombardi are in play for the right deals, but I don't see them being moved for the sake of a middle six rental or something like that. They've got more value to our team as cheap replacements for our depth guys.

[Dabura 12,232]

4 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Lindholm would be an excellent add only of he gets re-signed. I would be willing to give up the assets necessary to grab a guy who can finally fill that 2C spot until someone else develops and takes it.

I've always really liked Lindholm, but I guess I just wonder if he really is That Guy. 29, not having a particularly great season...I fear he's on the decline. And we have a bad track record with guys we sign to be That Guy.

[Motor City Mullets 304]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

Now you know SY is gonna do something big

Like announce that he's signed RFAs Seider and Raymond to 6 year contract extensions big?

31 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I've always really liked Lindholm, but I guess I just wonder if he really is That Guy. 29, not having a particularly great season...I fear he's on the decline. And we have a bad track record with guys we sign to be That Guy.

If I were to poach anyone from Calgary that is a upcoming UFA - it might be Hanifin...Calgary really turned sour fast.

[kipwinger 8,756]

I really like Lindholm too, but I'm starting to think he's just a clone of Compher. Like, if you put Gaudreau and Tkachuk on Compher's wings COULD he score 80 points? Based on what I've seen this season I don't think it's out of the realm possibility.

I think teams are built all sorts of ways now, and I don't think that's a bad thing for Detroit. If we want a center that can essentially make up the difference in production between Compher and Elias Lindholm why not trade for a dude like Tommy Novak and let him center Kostin and Sprong? I guarantee you'd get a bunch of points out of it and you wouldn't have to give up Lindholm level assets.

IMO we don't really need to address our centers at all. Put Guentzel and Kane on Compher's wings and I suspect we'll have a really great 2nd scoring line AND they won't get caved on defense. But if I absolutely HAD to bring in another center it would probably be someone who can replace Veleno, not Compher (who is fine at 2C) or Copp (who is fine at 3C).

[Troy McClure 347]

Blockbuster trade with Verbeek:

To DET: Gibson + Henrique (50% retained) + Lybushkin

To ANA: Lyon + Berggren + McIsaac + picks

The Chiarot, Holl, Maata, and Petry contracts have seriously limited our ability to add a major Dman like Chychrun or Hanafin. 

[mackel 764]

2 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Blockbuster trade with Verbeek:

To DET: Gibson + Henrique (50% retained) + Lybushkin

To ANA: Lyon + Berggren + McIsaac + picks

The Chiarot, Holl, Maata, and Petry contracts have seriously limited our ability to add a major Dman like Chychrun or Hanafin. 

That trade is a HARD no.

[Troy McClure 347]

2 hours ago, mackel said:

That trade is a HARD no.

Can I ask why?

Henrique is a 40-50 pt veteran center, ideal rental for a cup run

Lybushkin is IMO one of the best shutdown Dmen in the league, just provides zero offense. Another good rental.

Gibson would be a serious upgrade in net.

Lyon we would be selling high on. Berggren is a natural trade chip the team is already dangling. And McIsaac provides Verbeek - who is claiming Dmen off of waivers for regular positions - what he needs.

[mackel 764]

8 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Can I ask why?

Henrique is a 40-50 pt veteran center, ideal rental for a cup run

Lybushkin is IMO one of the best shutdown Dmen in the league, just provides zero offense. Another good rental.

Gibson would be a serious upgrade in net.

Lyon we would be selling high on. Berggren is a natural trade chip the team is already dangling. And McIsaac provides Verbeek - who is claiming Dmen off of waivers for regular positions - what he needs.

Trading futures for expiring contracts and a goalie with a huge contract who's best days are behind him (Definitely a downgrade)... no thanks.

I'd be interested in Lybushkin in the off-season as a shutdown guy on the right side.

[Troy McClure 347]

17 minutes ago, mackel said:

Trading futures for expiring contracts and a goalie with a huge contract who's best days are behind him (Definitely a downgrade)... no thanks.

I'd be interested in Lybushkin in the off-season as a shutdown guy on the right side.

Well for full clarity I was trying to send it for a cup run.

If rentals are outside your appetite then I understand.

[mackel 764]

16 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Well for full clarity I was trying to send it for a cup run.

If rentals are outside your appetite then I understand.

We're not a cup contender and would be a worse team after that trade...  try harder.

[Troy McClure 347]

1 minute ago, mackel said:

We're not a cup contender and would be a worse team after that trade...  try harder.

We are a worse team by adding Gibson, Henrique, and Lybushkin...?

[mackel 764]

Downgrading the goalie, and who comes out for the 2 expiring contracts.  It's a deal that would look bad when done, and age horrifically. 

[kipwinger 8,756]

13 minutes ago, mackel said:

Downgrading the goalie, and who comes out for the 2 expiring contracts.  It's a deal that would look bad when done, and age horrifically. 

I disagree with your assessment of John Gibson, but that's not really the part of this I'm responding to. I think you could pretty safely replace Veleno in the lineup with Henrique and be a better team for it. Veleno is also on an expiring contract and I don't think it's a guarantee that he even gets qualified. I think he's been fine this year, but Henrique between Sprong and Kostin is probably a better line right now, and I don't think Veleno has been so good that he's locked in his roster spot.

Also, keep in mind that there is no roster limit after the deadline so as long as we can fit everyone under the cap we can have as many people sitting as we'd like. So if you were really gearing up for a playoff run you could experiment with everyone for the rest of the season and then choose the best 2 of Henrique, Copp, and Veleno to center your bottom two lines. The third could sit.

That said, I'm basically happy with our centers right now so I don't think I'd make the proposed trade. Let them deal Henrique separately. But I'd definitely use this same strategy on the wing. Bring in someone like Vatrano and then let him, Fabbri, Perron, and Kostin battle it out to see who plays and who sits.

[Troy McClure 347]

46 minutes ago, mackel said:

Downgrading the goalie, and who comes out for the 2 expiring contracts.  It's a deal that would look bad when done, and age horrifically. 

Lyon is better than Gibson? Explain that to me.

Petry, Fischer, Veleno, Kostin can all sit or be waived as fas as im concerned. 

[mackel 764]

3 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Lyon is better than Gibson? Explain that to me.

Petry, Fischer, Veleno, Kostin can all sit or be waived as fas as im concerned. 

Lyon > Gibson.  Gibson is dining on past glory. Circa 2018 and before.

[Troy McClure 347]

14 minutes ago, mackel said:

Lyon > Gibson.  Gibson is dining on past glory. Circa 2018 and before.

And Lyon is dining on recency bias...

Lyon is older than Gibson and has played in 59 NHL games... over a 1/3 of which come from this season.

Gibson meanwhile has 450+ games played, and has only seen his numbers slightly decrease since the Ducks became a non-playoff team.

I bet you thought Ned and Husso were great too, until they weren't. 

I'm loving Lyon's season too, but the hard truth is this isn't going to last. Find me any non-wings fan that would prefer to build their net out around Lyon than Gibson and I'll eat my words.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

And Lyon is dining on recency bias...

Lyon is older than Gibson and has played in 59 NHL games... over a 1/3 of which come from this season.

Gibson meanwhile has 450+ games played, and has only seen his numbers slightly decrease since the Ducks became a non-playoff team.

I bet you thought Ned and Husso were great too, until they weren't. 

I'm loving Lyon's season too, but the hard truth is this isn't going to last. Find me any non-wings fan that would prefer to build their net out around Lyon than Gibson and I'll eat my words.

Cossa is the guy.  He's going to be our Patrick Roy.  That's obvious.  He's honing his NHL game right now.  He'll be ready by mid next year.

[Troy McClure 347]

22 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Cossa is the guy.  He's going to be our Patrick Roy.  That's obvious.  He's honing his NHL game right now.  He'll be ready by mid next year.

Next year we run Husso/Lyon, Lyon/Husso, unless a change is made.

Reimer is gone, and Cossa get's promoted to 3rd string.

If it goes anything like this year, Cossa will get chances.

[Axl Foley 334]

40 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Cossa is the guy.  He's going to be our Patrick Roy.  That's obvious.  He's honing his NHL game right now.  He'll be ready by mid next year.

  No. 2025 season at the earliest.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

13 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Next year we run Husso/Lyon, Lyon/Husso, unless a change is made.

Reimer is gone, and Cossa get's promoted to 3rd string.

If it goes anything like this year, Cossa will get chances.

Agreed.  I like that mix.

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

And Lyon is dining on recency bias...

Lyon is older than Gibson and has played in 59 NHL games... over a 1/3 of which come from this season.

Gibson meanwhile has 450+ games played, and has only seen his numbers slightly decrease since the Ducks became a non-playoff team.

I bet you thought Ned and Husso were great too, until they weren't. 

I'm loving Lyon's season too, but the hard truth is this isn't going to last. Find me any non-wings fan that would prefer to build their net out around Lyon than Gibson and I'll eat my words.

Lyon could be another late bloomer like Tim Thomas. Either way, we only need him for 1 or 2 more seasons.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

4 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Lyon could be another late bloomer like Tim Thomas. Either way, we only need him for 1 or 2 more seasons.

The goid thing is that he will only be 22 when he late blooms.  We drafted a guy that just needs to learn how to always be in the way.  That's easiet to learn than an intangible.

[Axl Foley 334]

7 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

The goid thing is that he will only be 22 when he late blooms.  We drafted a guy that just needs to learn how to always be in the way.  That's easiet to learn than an intangible.

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[Scott R Lucidi 675]

3 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

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he's not going to take 8 years, regard.  Late for him as a 1st rnd pick is 3-4 years.

[Troy McClure 347]

18 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Lyon could be another late bloomer like Tim Thomas. Either way, we only need him for 1 or 2 more seasons.

When was the last time we had a Thomas or Rafalsk typei? 20 years ago? Don't get your hopes up fella