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Yesterday... Howard 17 saves on 21 shots...lost the game...4-3...only got a point because of miraculous goal by Pavs at the end. Today... Ozzie 21 saves on 25 shots...lost the game...4-3...faced tons of odd man rushes... Yesterday Howard...playing with a rested team at home Today Ozzie...Playing with a tired team on the road... Looks like they both sucked to me...looks like the team played flat and uninspired in both games to me... Yet nobody cares Howard sucked yesterday...But people are saying that Ozzie "isn't supporting this team" or "isn't putting in a good effort" or "shouldn't be back next year" How about as a team they put forth minimal effort 2 nights in a row, and faced teams that wanted to win more and showed it. How about both goalies had bad games? And the team had bad games? Before chastising Ozzie for today, look at Howie's stats yesterday...with the rested team...at home...then look at Ozzie's stats today...(though not good he doesn't deserve the horse s*** people throw at him) Support both goaltenders...they are both very talented. Howard is 26, Ozzie is 37. Its a changing of the guard, which is a well timed. But without Ozzie, Howard wouldn't be as good as Howard is this season. Keep that in mind folks. Ozzie is to Howard what Vernon was to Ozzie.

Superhot Vancouver? Didn't they just get shelled 8-3? Chicago who have a starting goalies worse than our backup? Yes, very frightening.

Everyone knows this is about Osgood's performance tonight. If he had done fine today there would not have been a thread about how Osgood is 2-6-2 in his last ten. No ******* chance.

I'm not shocked. It was a nothing game for Detroit. The Flyers are battling for a playoff spot and they showed it. I am glad Howard got some rest and will be glad if the Flyers make the playoffs so they can make things hell in the Eastern Conference for once. And the good news is Osgood didn't get pulled or let in 6+ goals. It was still a close game even with the softies and poor play of the team.

ok. I see what you're saying now. Yeah, I'd say Ozzy was overly aggressive on the shot. Not sure it would've mattered, but at least there would've been less of a gaping net for the goal. Like I said, there's some silver lining to me in that he recovered and made some big saves in the third. That's the first time I've seen that from him this season when he started that poorly. And the Wings need him to be stable as a backup for Howard, come playoff time and probably next season.

Opposing agitators also don't usually have a pedo-stache, it's new territory for them.

Zack Rambo? Wtf. My parents did NOT give me a name that cool.

Haven't the Wings been scoring at like a 3.3 G/G rate since all of the injured guys have come back (Franzen most importantly)? That would be 2nd in the NHL, even if they weren't quite at that rate all season, it would probably be good enough without Hudler.

One thing's for sure, I don't get that knot in my stomach whenever the opposition gets a shot on net when Howard's in.

with "reality" like this, who needs sobriety??

They did much more than that though. They also added Tomas Kopecky. We have no chance.

His attraction to these forums was the only negative byproduct of the '08 Cup victory.

I think mindfly wants to give Carman a run for the highest negative rating.

Oh I agree, but you would be lying if there aren't people on this forum crying that Babcock is the sole reason for Osgood's play. I have no problem with defending Osgood, just a problem with people making up stats that show Jimmy Howard in a negative light, and people that cry that Babcock has a personal issue with Osgood etc. I just can't see why we can't be happy that our goaltending has been a bright spot this year and leave it at that.

Did Osgood punch your mother or something? Because you seriously seem to have a lot of vitriol toward the guy and anyone who isn't ready to throw Osgood to the wolves.

Hahaha. That one statement speaks volumes about you.

They played just as few "like they should" in the regular season last year... and we ended up in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. This team will be fine, your ridiculous pessimism aside.

please god let ozzy never touch the ice for the wing again. seriously i love the guy and hes done a lot for this organization but god damn

That makes no sense. If Ozzy plays square on the player in the middle, he is cheating and leaving the net open for the puck carrier. He has to respect the shot but be ready for the pass. Osgood was too aggressive on the shot, but Kronwall and Ericsson also misplayed it badly. Then there's also the point that it was a friggin 4 on 2.

It's always been funny how your overly-optimistic view of the Wings doesn't include Osgood. Nothing approaches game conditions. Ozzy was rusty. He started awful, but got better, and made a few big saves in the third. Osgood played the shot on the 4 on 2, which is what he's supposed to do. Why no comments about Bert's bad decision, Kronwall's awful job playing the pass, and Ericsson trying to cover two Flyers at once and ended up covering neither? Or Lebda deciding to help out Stuart by having them both cover the same man, leaving the entire left side of the ice open? The Wings played below par, including Osgood. But I was surprised at how good he looked in the third. That was about the best to be hoped for after the awful start.

Right, in his first year in the league this year, Babcock has really shown that he has no idea how to handle two potential starter goalies.

All but one of those games (today) came with a depleted lineup. Howard has outplayed him this year, but that's a misleading record there. To answer your question, I don't see him coming back next year with the rift that him and Babcock have.

You are nitpicking his play a lot. Howard is giving the team a great chance to win every game and is making key saves. That's all that matters to me. Goaltending is a position where the best goalies in the world can look super-human one night, and god awful the next. I'm completely happy with how consistent Howard has been this season, especially considering how to team has been up and down. No one knows how is he going to play in the playoffs, but every indication that you can document seems to be that he'll do well. I'd say goaltending isn't the main issue facing us in the playoffs, our best players just can't seem to play a complete game and we are not overly physical. This concerns me more than seeing Jimmy or Ozzy in net.

What is MM? Millimillion?

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