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Because we don't have any of those on the team. We don't have any of those on our team. We don't have any of those on our team. Datsyuk fought Perry and did fine and I don't find it likely that Pronger would fight a guy with a better fighting record on this team. He went after Dan Cleary for crying out loud. I think it has been stated countless times why Hudler remains on this team, slumping aside, and Miller brings a defensive game no enforcer would match. Considering our even strength play is the issue right now, I don't see how an enforcer is going to fix any of those problems. But good luck trying to convince us of that for the next 30 pages.

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Next year, the Swedes will be the ones to beat you.

gotta love Pierrre Mcquire crying about the Russians celebrating when they got the trophy "they'll remember this next year" as the Russians skate past the line of Canadians HAHAHA what a whiner.

Yeah youre right. Drew Millers 6 points, -1, 8 minutes on the ice per game and next to no physicality would really help this team more then Zenon Konopka's 8 minutes on ice per game, 2 minutes on the PK, 5 points, big hits, fights and 59% on face offs. Millers stats are also way better then Prust's 12 minutes on the ice per game, 1 and a half minutes on the PK, 15 points and fighting. Wow look at that Konopka who led the league in fighting majors last year has pretty much the same stats as Miller while being a way bigger hitter, a very good fighter and just overall more physical. Prust has pretty much better stats in every facet of the game and his primary role is an enforcer. Thats not to mention guys like Clarkson who is clearly better, Chris Neil, or defenseman like Carkner or Engelland who are just as good as Ruslan Salei, if not better. Maybe people should start looking at facts instead of assuming all enforcers cant play hockey or skate. Its called watching hockey, I guess some people don't watch they just read the boxscore see a fight and assume the guy isn't good at hockey. Hwy am I saying hwat, hwat hway?

To all the Canadians on this website.. GO CANADA GO.... This should be a great game. Looking forward to puck drop at 4:30

But it was a pivotal part in a 5-0 game.

Almost makes it that much better. Excuses on the horizon no doubt. Losing to Russia makes it worse for him. I can imagine him at home going to get the DVD of Crosby's golden goal now haha.

Man, Don Cherry is going to kill himself after all his talking.

Winning is more fun when you can also punch people in the face. Just ask the Pens and Flyers.

Enforcers help toughen up soft Euros, in order to ready them for a playoff run, by which point they'll be battle tested. Because there are certain fans here who are too in love with some useless 4th liners, to bear the thought of that player leaving for an enforcer in the lineup.

Oooh fun!!! When was the last time we had an enforcer discussion? It actually seems like a HWile.

Y'know, there is a whole lot of loose and strong talk about Murph being a drunk, and I for one am getting sick and tired of it. I ask of you: who of us doesn't like cold beer? Who of us doesn't like dollar hot dogs? And who of us doesn't like Arby's curly fries, especially after a hat trick? It takes a real man to stand up for what he believes in - a Murph Man. I am a Murph Man and I'm not ashamed to admit it. So c'mon LGW! If you are real men and women let your Murph flag fly! Who's with me? *humming Glory Glory Hallelujah*

Ozzie get's his 400 win and retires after this year, question, is he going to the Hall of Fame? With 3 Cup rings and 400 wins, I say yes. The thing that bothers me most about losing to the Pens in 2009 is that Ozzie was robbed of a Conn Smythe.

Ok, im new to the site so hello everyone. But i got thinking the other day and i was wondering why the red wings dont have a tough guy. I mean honesty its not like a tough guy could do any worse than hudler or the now injured washed up haz been madano. If we had a tough guy atleast he would go out and do something to create energy. The way i think of it as if you cant score atleast try and hit and fight and get energy in the place. if you cant fight than you should be able to score and produce. Hudler is doing none of that right now. hes not scoring so he should be atleast hitting and fighing making himself noticable. Bob probert died over the summer, the least the wings could do is show a little spin and get a tough guy. And dont tell me that abby and ericsson are tough becuause while they fight mabye 2-3 times a year they arent an enforcer just a GRITTY guy. we have a bunch of grit but not toughnest. red wings were playing some amazing hockey 3 years ago when downey was patrolling the ice. The wings neeed that more than ever. remember when lapperier layed out lidstrom? downey was the one that came to his aid and beat his ass. Also dont tell me a team with all tough guys doesnt win because the pens are currently leading the nhl in fights and are the best team in the nhl right now. They are the ideal team right now with skill and toughness. they are the wings of the 90's. Sure they can play the most skilled team in the league and beat them but they can also play the toughest teams and mop the floor with them too. They can score goals all night long but went things turn ugly they will beat the crap out of you. they have 3 heavy weight in godard, engelland, and rupp. but they also have adams, orpik, and asham. In the off season this year we could have gone out and got a tough guy. we could have gotten 3 konopka's for the price of hudler or madano. No but we decided the waste our cap space on a whased up has been in madano and a small none physical euro in hudler. what happend to the days of probert, kocur, lapointe, shanny, and mccarty. the only guys on the team now with some balls are abby, helm, eaves and stuart. for the love of god ken holland get someone on the team that can go out and do the dirty work. DO IT FOR PROBERT!!! End rant. Sorry if i offendend any of you guys but i though i would just make a point. I think i will like this place.

Drapers like f*** yea, Curling boys.

Holy s*** they came back and won!!!! Wish i hadn't stopped watching after the 1st, i couldn't stand those arrogant Canadians winning another gold.

Luckily for Stamkos HBO is done filming the penguins

Plenty of these guys were naming off were available over the offseason.

In case you're wondering who I'll be rooting for. Down goes Canada!

I have a new favorite poster now on LGW.

Yup. Still 1st place in the West without arguably 2 of our best forwards this year so far. Simply hasn't been necessary.

Fixed. Sorry, I had to spell check that monstrosity of a post. Welcome to LGW, but if you want people to take you seriously, maybe take a little time and make your post a little more readable. As far as your points go, I agree with the fact that we don't really have an enforcer type of player on our team, but as of right now, I don't really see why we would need it. We're beating teams on the score sheet. Sure Hudler is essentially invisible this year, but I thought he played a little harder against Edmonton the other night. Modano was playing well up until he got injured too. Like I said, I don't know really what caused you to want to bring this up because it's not like teams are taking runs at our players or our players are getting injured in dirty play. We're a skilled team all around and as long as we're playing hard, I don't see the need for an enforcer. Not exactly the best team, plus they play in a division that contains the bottom two teams in the much weaker Eastern Conference. I'd expect them to be close to the top of the conference, as well as the NHL. But they're 4th. Not the best.

Yeah, and you obviously have so much time on your hands you feel the need to put down my post, and not add anything insightful to the conversation. I saw this product, thought it was sort of neat, and wanted to see how everyone else felt about it. No need to be so negative. Perhaps the owner of the company will read these forums and discover he could make oodles of cash by customizing the goal horn for each team.

He better ******* make it. He's the second best goalie of his generation, and the guy ahead of him is argued for the top spot all-time. Even if you add on the previous ten years, you only get two more guys better than Osgood, both of whom again are argued for that top spot.