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So that's what they call rehab now!

Detroit's easy to root for? Apparently, they haven't been to LGW during dry spells. Amirite?

Damn, he must've smacked the cabbie pretty hard this time around to fracture his wrist!

i bet another taxi driver was involved...

I like it waaaaaaaaaay better than the current/old ones. Not totally sold on some of the lines, but the yellow is a really bold choice as a primary color and I think they'll stand out on the ice.

I know this is an old topic but I saw this from Down Goes Brown....great blog to read if you are looking for a reason to laugh at the canadians, and let's be honest, we don't need a lot of reasons but it's fun to have additional reasons. Here is what he said about Jagr to Philly... Jaromir Jagr, Philadelphia The good: Despite repeated requests over the years, wisely insisted on delaying his return to North America until he was absolutely positive his mullet was in game shape. The bad: Forgotten sports stars attempting improbable comebacks rarely find success in Philadelphia until they've murdered a few dogs first. Worth noting: Has previously played for the Penguins, Capitals and Rangers, meaning he's apparently aware of the same four NHL teams as Gary Bettman.

This. All of this. I have always liked Don Cherry, too, although for different reasons.

Checkin' in. Enjoying one of my favorite things to do, drinking wine, while on vacation this past week. And in agreement with everybody else, no need to be rude about people if they look alike etc.

I might be one of the few, but I'd rather watch a Red Wings game on CBC or NBC... rather than watching it on FSD.

Holland does not take chances in this regard. Zherdev is a highly-skilled player who has shown repeatedly that he has a poor attitude and lacks maturity. Signing Zherdev would mean introducing this attitude into the locker room. Whereas players like Cleary entered the team after already having reformed themselves, and whereas players like Lang and Hudler are positive presences in the locker room even if they were/are lazy at times on the ice, Zherdev has long been declared an abrasive presence behind the scenes as well as a poor worker on the ice. There's a big difference. What I said in this event was fact, as Dan Cleary has stated it in public.

He has said it was helpful that Schneider put in the good word that got him a tryout. Nowhere has he said anything in public about Schneider and Chelios inspiring him to work hard. What got Schneider to put in a good word for Cleary was the fact that the latter did work hard. And even if you do actually have friends who know him, and even if he does attribute some of his success to Chelios and Schneider, they're not in the locker room anymore. What I'm trying to say is that your use of Cleary as an example isn't nearly as valid as you're putting it out to be. Too, even amongst players who have turned their careers around in their late 20s, Cleary is something of an extreme example. To change the subject (and I refer to your words toward me earlier in this thread), you'll probably have a more enjoyable experience here if you discontinue your habit of losing your temper when others disagree with you.

WOW JUST WOW. Nice input.

Actually Crymson is right. I remember reading that he attributed his attitude change to his wife and the situation he was in (no one wanted to sign him). When Chelios convinced the Wings to give Cleary a shot in training camp he was already determined to work his ass off. No doubt the Wings locker room was a stabilizing influence, though. With the bitching people do about Hudler I can't imagine what they'd say about Zherdev. He's softer than Hudler despite being a big guy (I can't blame a 5'9 guy for being a bit soft but when you're 6'2 200lb there's zero excuse). And he's mind-numbingly inconsistent and lazy. There's a reason why he's bounced around looking for a home.

LOL Crymson you are such a f*ckin clown... you think you know everything about everything and you definitely don't... I think it's pretty sad actually... you state every one of your opinions as fact, just because you say something doesn't make it true... Let me tell ya somethin, your statement above is purely speculation just like everything else you are saying about Zherdev. However, what I said about Cleary and all the problems he had before he came to Detroit, and how he credits Chelios and a couple other guys on the team to turning his life around is fact. I live a half hour from his parents place (where he grew up) and my cousin is good buddies with him, grew up with him, through school, right through minor hockey, and still trains with him every summer. I've met Cleary several times and no, he didn't personally tell me all his personal sh!t but he's after telling my cousin many times, so what you're trying to say about him changing before he joined the team and it having nothing to do with the team is way off base. Stop trying to act like you know everything, and unless you have the facts shut the f*ck up... Oh, and as for Zherdev not working out on this team... it is once again pure speculation... I'm not saying he would definitely work out play alongside Pav and Hank but I don't see the harm in signing a guy with his talent and potential to a one year contract at under $2mil...

Nuh uh, playing for Detroit automatically makes you a perfect fifth. Are you trying to say he's a diminished fifth?

Getting tired of everyone saying the Wings are soo great at taking lazy players and making them great. Why haven't we done that with Hudler? Why couldn't we do that with Leino, Lang, Williams, etc? People see his moves on youtube and automatically assume he'd be some magical fit with Datsyuk. The guy has been benched nearly half his career, doesn't that tell you something? He is the polar opposite player type that the Wings look for and find success with.

Cleary's attitude changed before he tried out for the team. He attributes this to meeting his wife. The fact that he was on the verge of having no work in the NHL no doubt also played a part. He made the team because he worked hard and was willing to grind to the limit. His turnaround had little to do with joining the team.

You don't need to drink piss to know it tastes like piss.

That's a few great articles Red Wings Addict, I haven't read them in years, but it doesn't change the fact that Cleary credits much of his success today to guys like Chelios and Schneider... I'm not saying that's the only reason he made the team but he has said it has a huge part to do with it... Anyway, bottom line is none of you guys know what would happen if a guy like Zherdev played here, I just don't see the problem with signing a guy with his skill set to a one year contract. If it works out he would be a HUGE addition, if he doesn't, we're out 1.5-2 mil for one season........... By the way, don't even try a comparison between Zherdev and Hudler they are completely different.... And if there is one person here that wouldn't give up Hudler at 2.875 and take on Zherdev at 1.8..... you're insane.... lay down the crack....

No, you're right they are not in the locker room anymore but there are still some great role models in the Red Wings locker room that can mold this kid into an unbelievable player, both on and off the ice, Cleary being one of them. I think the reason for his arrogant attitude is due to the fact that pretty much everywhere he has played throughout his career he has been top of his team in skill level, I think watching guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg day in and day out would change that pretty quickly. Either way you want to look at it, you cannot deny this guys skill level, and like I've said time after time, I see absolutely no harm what so ever in signing him to a one year contract at under 2mil... Anyway if you disagree, fair enough, let's just agree to disagree, but there is no way you can say that signing him would not work out, because no one knows that for sure until it actually happened... As for me "losing my temper"... I'm not losing my temper, I just can't stand when people try to present their opinions as fact. You tend to think what you say is the end all be all, and that irritates the hell out of me... A lot of people on here tend to attack other people for their opinion or ideas and it's ridiculous... probably the worst forum I've seen online for that sh!t...

i would hate the wings for the rest of my life,if they somehow manage to get shea weber,but i will never hate shea weber,if he ends up a red wing then he will probally be booed for the rest of his career when the wings come to nashville.

If the Wings can get away with trading one of Flip or Hudler for Semin, and not give up any top prospects or first round picks, then that's something to be considered. The Wings have several forwards who are as good or better defensively than Flip, and he is not among the team's best PKers. Flip for Semin as the only roster players doesn't harm Detroit's PK, but improves the PP. Maybe the lines could work out like this: Semin/Datsyuk/Bertuzzi Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen Cleary/Helm/Eaves Mursak/Abdelkader/Holmstrom If it's Hudler instead of Filppula, maybe it works out like this: Semin/Datsyuk/Cleary Franzen/Zetterberg/Holmstrom Abdelkader/Filppula/Bertuzzi Mursak/Helm/Eaves

Isn't there a thread already about this? Or is this another excuse for Nashville trolling?

that is not the best logo ever.would hate that on the front on my jersey.