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I don't necessarily disagree with you, however one could make the argument that the differences in career longevity between the two directly correlates to their style of play. I think it speaks to Lidstrom's credit that he has been so healthy for so much of his career, is able to avoid nonstop physicality and still be as dominant as he is, all while staying healthy and maintaining his level of skill over many years. Orr was never able to maintain that longevity due to his style of play. That is why I've never bought into the theory that Orr is unanimously better simply because he "would have" won more had he stayed healthy. The fact is... he didn't. He wasn't physically capable of it. It was his own style of play that led to his injuries, whereas Lidstrom's style of play has led to his preservation. I don't think that should be overlooked in the comparison.

"Why did any Lidstrom fans need validation through quotes from me when all they had to do was watch him play?"

Bettman is a ******, but he's doing a fair job.

with Kenny actually looking at the possability of adding a top 6 forward at the start of the free agency,is there any ufa's left who still interest the front office? Could the Wings send an invite to anyone for the camp, or who would you like us to invite to camp.

I find it interesting with the CEO analogy given Doucheman's role as Commissioner can easily be called CEO. While his standards for keeping the league as a whole profitable are respectable, his approach to the cities he allows the NHL to place teams at with little to no respect for the rule of law or citizens of those governed by the area on the hook for an extremely cost-intensive building, and his approach to fans, are reprehensible at best. It's rather easy to understand the role he plays, however, as a fan, I know, but don't give a f***, about the fact that his role as effective CEO of the NHL is to make the league profitable and appease a BOG. Despite understanding the position he's in, I'm not one of them, I'm a fan. Others are allowed to give him a pat on the back for one sole reason, I on the other hand, think he can go f*** himself. Rather than take it that seriously like a few specific posters are doing, I choose to have fun with it. If that doesn't get approval from a few specific posters (not part of a response to you btw sfp), oh well for those posters then, huh? Tough s***.

Agree. I don't think many people like him or agree with many of his decisions, but he has done a good job. Would you rather have one game a week on ESPN2, or three games a week on NBC/NBC Sports (Versus)? I don't have cable (so the deal doesn't directly affect me), but I know which one I would choose. One nationally televised game a week would be an insult to our intelligence IMO. It's certainly cool to hate Bettman, but I would like someone here who doesn't think he deserves $7.5m to argue how Bettman has failed the NHL in increasing revenues, awareness, etc.

I think there is a difference between discussing issues on a message board and neg repping someone because you disagree with them. Explain.

I agree with you on the first part. But what I meant on my part and maybe I should have been more exact is I don't see a trade happening with us until probably the trade deadline or thereabouts somewhere. I'm not sure either who can be invited to camp either. I'm pretty sure our roster is set for the most part (for now).

I'm not quite sure if this is a troll or if you accidentally implied the irony of cowardice all while posting anonymously on an internet message board. Really, who cares?

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I think it was Bab's that wanted the top 6 forward and Holland thought we were fine up front and in need of defence, but i could be wrong. I know I want a top 6 forward though that's for sure. I also want to see and will route for Emmerton to do well as it's nice to see inside development paying off...But back on topic, how many invites are one team allowed to give? Because unless they have been talking the talks with someone under the radar and keeping there fingers crossed, I don't see it happening.

Bettman is a ******.

It's cute how people would rather neg you than express why they think your post is worthy of being negged, or even wrong.

Illuminati? Though I am guessing 'defenesemen'.

-Before hanging up the phone with ESPN.com, Orr asked us to pass on a message to Lidstrom. "Do me a favor and tell him how much I love to watch him," said Orr. "He's represented us so darn well.- That is one hell of a compliment that's for sure.

No wonder everyone hates you on here.

If you're not partying, you're not trying! esteef

Another complaint about someone complaining abut people complaining about Bettman... How original... If you're not interested in commenting, don't. Just because you like it, it doesn't mean others should as well. See how that works? Bettman has done a wondrous job as commissioner. The players are making bank and the owners are making bank and the ratings just keep going up up and up. He tried expanding the NHL south like he should have and it has failed in two places while places like Tampa Bay, Nashville, Dallas and the California teams are thriving. Canada has another team now as well. Who the hell cares if hockey failed in Atlanta? Who cares if it is failing in Phoenix? How do those two teams personally affect you, given that the NHL is trying to expand it's demographic? If you run a league and aren't trying to globalize, then you are a terrible league commissionaire. Football expanded north, soccer expanded West, and hockey is expanding south. Deal with it.

Sigh... how many times does it need to be explained. Bettman (as much as I dislike him) is not responsible for the Yotes not moving... GLENDALE IS.

We went to the Tigers game today, had a great time I really enjoyed the ceremony for Sparky Anderson and my kids loved running the bases after the game. This is my new favorite picture of the 3 of us.

Bettman still has not provided fans with a television deal that does not insult our intelligence.

I never understood why any poster would think someone is owed an explanation for a neg.. isn't it self-explanatory? The only difference is, perhaps in the neg part they are avoiding a rather pointless argument. Anyhow, I lol'd at the boo montage.

I just looked back and noticed that other members thought that you two looked a like as well. Why are you mad at me for making the same observation? :S

So another bash Bettman thread... how original...

I didn't say for anyone to explain a neg rep. I said for people to stop being cowards and actually rebut Konnan in some capacity. Go ahead. Anyone?