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Since his arrival, the Wings are 17-33 when he plays. 10-5 when he sits. The best GM in the league gave up a 1st rounder for him.

It's hard to tell from that photo because there's no scale. You should have held your thumb up for reference.

Ya, he was responsible for the other Wings in the slot not challenging Malkin, and for Osgood completely blowing his angle on the Talbot goal. Believe it or not, hockey is a team game.

We don't play any of them, so who cares?

It was cool cause the wings never went looking for trouble. They just ended all the trouble.

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I spent all my $$ on Tickets and was rockin a motorola flip phone which predated the cAmera phone era. Plus i was 27 and she was 17 so I felt a little greasy about the thoughts I was having in general. Actually did small talk to her and her friend and they were drinking Daquries....at 17 in the joe:)

Interesting game last night. Couple of things I noticed; -Filppula was god awful - I usually have a lot of faith in him but he was actually getting in the way of his line mates last night. Might have been the worst game I've ever seen him play. For the first time, I think the Wings might be better off letting him walk next year in favour of keeping one of these kids in the lineup. -DeKeyser continues to impress me. No doubt in my mind he will be our top shutdown defenseman in the near future. -Nyquist, Andersson and Emmerton all played really well. Looks like Emmerton is finally making strides toward being a useful everyday player -I love our defense WITHOUT White and Colaiacovo Additionally, the CBC broadcasters really put this season into perspective. I've been pissing and moaning about the Wings' "fall from grace" all season but in reality, its amazing what they've been able to accomplish given their lineup and the tight Western Conference. After last night's game, I am actually kind of excited to see these younger guys progress over the next couple of seasons. I also still think the Wings will make the playoffs.

Cause emmerton and Ericsson are actually good.

Why just mention Z and not Datsyuk? 4 goals or 3 points overall is the difference between severely underachieving and acceptable production? And as someone pointed out in another thread compared to last season statistically they aren't really underachieving. Z's goalscoring average is down a bit but his overall production is slightly better. Cleary's goal scoring is up too relative to last season. And both those guys are always banged up and a year older. I wouldn't say Brunner is underachieving either. It's his first season in the NHL and they're playing games at a brutal schedule. 11 goals and 22 points is great considering. Flip's production is obviously way down, but it's looking like last season was an anomaly and not some breakthrough. I agree with what Babcock said recently. Guys may have a an exceptional year or two but generally you know about where they're going to produce. And with this Wings lineup they just don't have a lot of scoring. That lack of scoring also gets compounded because without many offensive threats, defenses can key into the few ones that they have. Z, Dats, and Franzen. Sammy and Bert being injured so long certainly didn't help. But if the team's success is tied that strongly to either one of those guys, it's a pretty good indication of the lack of scoring talent.

I agree totally. I also think that the wings now are built for playing in the eastern conference. While we are competative in the west we are not a Big physical crash and bang team like most teams in the west. We fit in the east because of our style of play. Skilled puck possesion. There are not too many teams in the east that would scare me(NYR maybe. Nobody better say the penguins .....) but I generally feel with our current roster, if we were in the east would be a 4th or 5th seed at worst IF we had bert and helm back healthy, this team wouldnt be struggling to get the 8th seed in the west

I agree to the post above as well. about the skill thing. I find our bottom six thinking too much that they are top six. there is not enough of a grinding aspect to their game. they're too soft right now thinking they can out skill when they cannot. get back to your game bottom six....hit, grind, dump and chase. this team lacks an identity.

Very good point I fully agree just wanted to add something: The Detroit Red Wings used to outskill almost every other team, these guys aren't prepared to work hard and grind it out nor does Babcock haas the roster to do it. I always thought, that Holmer was extremely underrated, he was one of the best ever to position himself in front of the net and screen the goalie, we have no one even close to that category now. Going forward this team needs to become a hardnosed defense first team, because sadly they aren't going to outskill anyone for quite some time, they are getting outskill and outworked (which does bother me way more) ,because a bubble playoffteam should work their hardest at this time of the year.

I truly believe that Homer's retirement has gone massively, massively under-recognized. The coaching staff still appear to be implementing an offensive system that saw Lidstrom launch slap-passes at the net and try for a Homer tip or rebound. The only problem with this is that they are missing two key parts to it; namely, Lidstrom and Homer.

All in all, today turned out fairly well for the Wings. But yeah, no more of this 1 point SO loss garbage. Wins are required.

Are you watching the games? He's sixth on the PP depth chart, behind Smith, Kindl, Kronwall, White, and Brunner. He barely plays there anymore. I wonder how many of the people whining about him here were among those who castigated Holland for giving him up in the first place. Probably quite a few.

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stoopid Sharks.

Sounds like red wing fans.

Players being able to police themselves. That is what I really miss.

Doens't it seem likely that the reason that Toews and Kane have so many goals is precisely because they've got serious depth across the lineup though? You can't really double team either of those guys when they're on the ice because Hossa and Sharp can beat you on their own if you don't take them seriously. I think both Pav and Hank's numbers are low because teams have figured out that the Wings can't beat you when Pav or Hank are kept off the board. You can't do that with Chicago. By having real depth in their forward core it opens up the ice for the stars as well.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk need a Stamkos. Until Holland pulls his head out and ponies up, why even get on these guys? Datsyuk has played with Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, Clearly and Abdelkader. This is hideous. I liken it to punishment. Imagine what it would be like if he had Z and a sniper. Oh wait. I don't have to imagine. It was fricken awesome when Z and Hull were his wingers. Holland should be doing everything possible to pry Bobby Ryan away from the Ducks and put him on a line with Z and Dats. That will help Zetterberg's output.

Nobody circles the wagons like the Detroit Red Wings! I still like our chances. The Wings have to look at it this way...win all 5 games left and we're in. Who care what Columbus and Dallas do. We have 2 games in hand on Columbus and they are only 2 points ahead of us. Dallas is tied with us owning the Wins in Regulation tiebreaker. However they have a very tough 4 games. At STL, SJ and LA and home against us. Stay positive folks. I know it's tough right now. But I still believe in this team and I know Dats, Z, Kron and Jimmy wlll step up. I also have a feeling playoff Mule will return. We ARE going to make the playoffs. If you don't believe in this team then get the ?%& out! LOL Just kidding. But seriously GET THE...hahahaha

The Wings did play pretty well. The only issue is I have seen that high shot total before with nothing to show for goals. Namely the series against Nashville where they peppered Rinne. The Red Wings still play on the perimeter too much and many of their shots are rather harmless. They can't or in some players cases (Franzen and Filppula stand out) won't go to the tough areas of the ice to score goals. This team desperately needs some size and goal-scoring ability on the wing.