Mule Train 0 Report post Posted June 1, 2008 Howard today is absolutely as good or better than Hasek is today. There is no doubt Howard would have put up very similar numbers to that of Hasek, had Howard actually gotten to play. Now will Howard see the personal success in his career that Dom did? Few goalies ever have or will, so that is an unfair comparison. This Wings would be foolish to invite Dom back. I hope you are right about Howard. His numbers don't impress me so far but it's difficult to tell until he gets some real NHL time. Half a dozen games aren't really enough. If we win the cup I don't think Dom will even ask to come back. He earned his ring during the regular season and there just isn't anything really left for him to prove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted June 1, 2008 I hope you are right about Howard. His numbers don't impress me so far but it's difficult to tell until he gets some real NHL time. Half a dozen games aren't really enough. If we win the cup I don't think Dom will even ask to come back. He earned his ring during the regular season and there just isn't anything really left for him to prove. Look at Doms season. He didn't do anything overly impressive. In the few games Howard played, statistically he was better than Dom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Z has certainly been our best forward, and has done a terrific job neutralizing Crosby, but he has only put up 2 points in 4 games and that will sway the voters away from him and towards Ozzie IMO. And I think Ozzie deserves it for his play. I think his PK frenzy last night probably tilted some voters in his direction. Points or no, that was just a Conn Smythe worthy performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cup_champ08 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 i hope Christopher John Osgood wins it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmorland 16 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Let's hope osgood plays steller again tomorrow to add more reason to why he should be MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 my heart wants chris osgood to win it, but my mind says the Conn Smythe will be going to Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Only four goaltenders during Osgood's career have been their team's primary goaltender in a finals run AND posted a higher postseason save percentage than Ozzie has during this run. None won the Cup. The best numbers by a Cup winner were Martin Brodeur's 2003 numbers. Osgood has better stats in every area except shutouts; which means Osgood has been better than Brodeur was, and has been more consistent as well. Many felt Brodeur deserved the Smythe as he was the winning tender and had two shutouts to start the finals. Osgood had two shutouts to start the finals, and at worst has comparable numbers to 2003 Giguere, who won the Smythe and posted the best postseason stats of any goaltender from 1994 through 2007. Ozzie wins it unless he gets completely shelled from here on out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AUWingsFan 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Crosby will win the Conn Smythe no matter which team wins the Cup. Come to think of it, if we win the Cup, Bettman will still probably ask Crosby to come out and take a picture with him and the Stanley Cup before he invites Lidstrom to come get it. I've got to be honest that I do worry that even if the Wings do win the Cup the Conn Smythe will end up with Sidney Crosby. I seem to remember Giguere winning it the year the Ducks lost......since it goes to the MVP of the Playoffs I wouldn't put it past the league giving the award to Crosby (especially if he remains the points leader)..... Having said that, I hope the Wings take care of business in Game 5, win the Cup on home ice and one of our boys gets the Conn Smythe....my guess for the Wings player is Zetterberg, but if Franzen has a big game I think he should get consideration, but I think looking at overall play I'd give Zetterberg the nod because of his D. Go Wings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 If any member of the Penguins wins the Conn Smythe tonight, I will break something. Holy ******* s***, will I break something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 If any member of the Penguins wins the Conn Smythe tonight, I will break something. Holy ******* s***, will I break something. Don't worry, the CS trophy has only been awarded to the member of the losing squad 3 times in it's history. Twice to goaltenders who were unquestionably the MVP, and once to a skater who set a playoff scoring record. No one on Pittsburgh is even close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cirov19 1 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Ozzy deserves it. Oz will win it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Consider how important Ozzie is to both his teammates, and to the fan base as well. How many times have you heard "Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie!" being chanted during the games since he was put in? (and not all of those at home!) That one should answer it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwinger4747 6 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Z for sure. Crosby has no chance if we win in 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I've got to be honest that I do worry that even if the Wings do win the Cup the Conn Smythe will end up with Sidney Crosby. I seem to remember Giguere winning it the year the Ducks lost......since it goes to the MVP of the Playoffs I wouldn't put it past the league giving the award to Crosby (especially if he remains the points leader)..... Having said that, I hope the Wings take care of business in Game 5, win the Cup on home ice and one of our boys gets the Conn Smythe....my guess for the Wings player is Zetterberg, but if Franzen has a big game I think he should get consideration, but I think looking at overall play I'd give Zetterberg the nod because of his D. Go Wings! Honestly, I don't really care if Crosby wins the Conn Smythe. If the Wings close it out tonight (and given that the Penguins look and play like they're happy with their one win, I don't see why it won't be so) he's not going to get it anyway, but if worse comes to worse he can keep his consolation prize for all it matters, the trophy that's important is the Cup. Nobody remembers second place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I think his PK frenzy last night probably tilted some voters in his direction. Points or no, that was just a Conn Smythe worthy performance. You give sports journalists a lot more credit than I do....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 folks, they won't give it to Crosby unless the Pens win the cup The names of everyone who voted would go down in infamy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texas Wingnut 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 O.K. the Wings are one win away and not we can start talking about CS winners. If the Wings win tonight I'd say Z should be the CS winner. He's been the total package since the puck dropped in game 1 of round 1. He has been consistent in all zones and while his scoring may be off in this round he's still up there in +/-. While I appreciate what Ozzy has done and I'm a huge Ozzy fan, I feel Z is more deserving. With that being said, if Ozzy throws in another shut out then I'd go with the Gret Oz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Real1 2 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I say that Ozzie gets it. No one has played better than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 osgood should get the conn smythe because ever since he took over during the first round the wings have only lost 3 games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) Zetterberg should get it... Franzén could have competed for it as well if he had not been injured for 6 games. Osgood haven't really been "tested"... when he face more than 30shots i will start to reconsider... the wings defense is just too good so we dont have to have the best goalie to win Zetterberg > Osgood My 2 cent. Edited June 2, 2008 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Sorry, with 2 shut outs in the SCF and the already impressive stats and record that Ozzie had, Z and others would have had to have incredible stats to beat him. Ozzie has give up exactly 4 goals in 4 games, 2 of which were shutouts. I don't care if he faced 5 shots the number has nothing to do with the quality of the scoring chance. The back to back to back saves on Crosby --> Dupuis --> Hossa Ozzie was more than tested. But by some of the logic on here that doesn't count for jack s*** because it was only 3 shots. I was one of the first posters on here to dog the wings for resigning Ozzie, I believe I called him mediocre at best (Yes I am an asshat) he has proven me wrong. Think about this, the guy had an all star season, posting some of the best numbers in the league all while playing only half of the games. This reinvented Ozzie could be a very very wise investment by the wings, IF he can win for the wings as well as help Howard or Larsson develop I will be very very happy. But to say that he doesn't stand a chance next to Z is being a little blind. I think right now it is Ozzie in the lead (thanks to the 2 SO and game 4) followed closely by Hank, whom if he had posted numbers would probably be ahead of Ozzie because his D has been unreal. But the reality of the situation is that Z has sacrificed his O game in order to help the team win. Does that make him a Conn Smythe winner, no that just makes him a role model for young players around the world. It also just makes him a Status quo Red Wing, willing to put the team ahead of his own success or accolades! AND I LOVE IT!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selkie 10 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I don't see a Sid win unless he manages to (deity of choice forbid) rally the troops to take the Cup for the Pens. The only series all the voters for the award have seen is the SCF, and performance in the SCF should count for at least double compared to the rest of the playoff performance. He's been a good player in the SCF, but has not been extrordinary enough with all the voters in the house to win the Con Smythe for a losing team. Wings side effectively comes down to who plays well in their last game of the season, and an excellent performance by either Z-man or Osgood could tip the scale in their favor. Though as long as Ozzie turn in a respectable performance the rest of the way, I suspect that the shutouts in the first two games give him the edge as things stand now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) After game 4 and awesome play by Z on the 3on5 kill, there is little to no doubt he will win the Conn Smythe. Edited June 2, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Why the hell are people even TALKING about Sid getting the Conne Smythe? Are you all on crack?? Unless his team wins this thing in 7 with he himself being huge on the scoresheet over the next 3 games then its not going to happen. How many times has it happened in the NHL. Giguere and who else? Its RARE. If the Wings win tonight, Sidney Crosby wont touch the Smythe. You dont win it with only a 1 pt lead on the next closest guy and your team averaging a whole ONE GOAL A GAME against the Wings in the finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Must Kill 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 "if" osgood blanks the pens again tonight, then I say the conn smythe goes to ozzie for sure. Then all else the smythe is going to hank, no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
