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I said I wouldn't be shocked. If Lebda can make an impact as an offensive defenseman, get decent powerplay time, there's no reason to believe that he couldn't pile up assists and a few goals. I never said anything about his +/- or defensive game... that'll probably be atrocious. But offensively... in the Eastern Conference... no point total would shock me.

Maybe I'm just more easily shocked than you :hehe: ... but if Lebda even came near 40 points (playing for the MAPLE LEAFS), I would be beyond shocked. LGW doesn't even offer an emoticon that properly shows how shocked I would be.

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Maybe I'm just more easily shocked than you :hehe: ... but if Lebda even came near 40 points (playing for the MAPLE LEAFS), I would be beyond shocked. LGW doesn't even offer an emoticon that properly shows how shocked I would be.

Maybe... but I'm also looking at former whipping boys that have been traded to other teams and they all seem to do pretty well, with a few exceptions of course. Even the worst players can't help but have a little Red Wing greatness rub off on them. :)

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Just like "lol @ Leino doing anything for the Flyers in the playoffs" probably.

Think about it, this was Leino's first year in the NHL. He definitely showed flashes of brilliance before, and Babs even said he was the best player he ever sent down. Leino, in Detroit, felt that a roster spot would be a given so he was "lazy and sucked", but in Philly, he needed to work super hard due to the number of forwards on the team, and he certainly did, and the system there worked for him. Leino was willing to try a new system, and it worked because he wasn't too used to our system as of yet.

Lebda has consistently played in the NHL as a bottom-6 defenceman for 4 years now and obviously doesn't have a whole lot more potential, like Leino did have, playing the same hockey for 4 years in the same position at the same level of the depth chart and being unable to impress the coaches enough to put him on a higher line. As an experienced NHL-er, he will probably make the same mistakes as before. And with the defensive depth they have in Toronto, he probably will, again, be the number 5-6 defenceman in Toronto.

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Think about it, this was Leino's first year in the NHL. He definitely showed flashes of brilliance before, and Babs even said he was the best player he ever sent down. Leino, in Detroit, felt that a roster spot would be a given so he was "lazy and sucked", but in Philly, he needed to work super hard due to the number of forwards on the team, and he certainly did, and the system there worked for him. Leino was willing to try a new system, and it worked because he wasn't too used to our system as of yet.

Lebda has consistently played in the NHL as a bottom-6 defenceman for 4 years now and obviously doesn't have a whole lot more potential, like Leino did have, playing the same hockey for 4 years in the same position at the same level of the depth chart and being unable to impress the coaches enough to put him on a higher line. As an experienced NHL-er, he will probably make the same mistakes as before. And with the defensive depth they have in Toronto, he probably will, again, be the number 5-6 defenceman in Toronto.

I'm just saying that 40 points isn't entirely inconceivable in the Eastern Conference. No matter who the player. It's that bad.

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I am not nearly as surprised about Samuelsson's 30 goals as I would be about Lebda's 40 points. Sammy showed flashes of brilliance and talent when he was here, but he didn't play with our best players enough to get him in a rhythm and keep his confidence high. Besides, Sammy is a good fit with the Sedins; he has a hell of a shot when he uses it correctly, and the twins create so much space on the ice that Sammy has tons of time to set up shop and rip one-timers. Hell, he even has enough time to aim them properly.

Sammy spent alot of time playing with Hank, and Dats - most of his shots hit the netminder square in the chest...Me thinks Sammy will be hard pressed for another 30 goal season, but then again he could prove me wrong, and hit 40 :hehe:

As for Lebda; pp time could see him rack up a significant number of assists...I don't expect Lebda to get anything beyond 20, or 25 points, but then again anything can happen.

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How do people figure Lebda will get 40 points?or even come close?He'll be a 3rd pairing defenseman and he won't be surrounded by nearly as much talent in Toronto as he was in Detroit.

You're right - chances are Lebda will be on the 3rd pairing in T.O. However if Kaberle gets moved - who else will be on the pp?..There's a fair chance Lebda might get some time on the second pp unit, and that could see a bump in his numbers.

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Lebda on the PP? Why? He doesn't have a hard or accurate shot. He's not even a poor man's Rafalski when it comes to keeping the puck in the zone.

If he's on the PP I might just dare him to shoot it every time.

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Lebda on the PP? Why? He doesn't have a hard or accurate shot. He's not even a poor man's Rafalski when it comes to keeping the puck in the zone.

If he's on the PP I might just dare him to shoot it every time.

I'm guessing Burke might see Lebda as another Ian White; a guy who's capable of doing more if given the opportunity.

There's really not many guys on the Leafs D who's adept at moving the puck up ice - even less if Kaberle gets moved...If Kaberle is moved that'll mean Phaneuf/Beauchemin are likely to be on the pp, and quite possibly Gunnarsson as well...Schenn/Komisarek will lots of ice time on the pk; so really there's the potential to have a opening on the point for the 2nd pp unit...Lebda?

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If Lebda does even half-decently in Toronto, I guarantee there will be people bashing Holland for not re-signing him. Included amongst the people will likely be many of those who spent a significant amount of time bashing Lebda in the past. They'll accuse Holland of not seeing his potential; they'll accuse Babcock of using him incorrectly; they'll lament his loss and feel sorry for themselves. It'll be hilarious.

How do people figure Lebda will get 40 points?or even come close?He'll be a 3rd pairing defenseman and he won't be surrounded by nearly as much talent in Toronto as he was in Detroit.

Toronto doesn't even have one viable forward scoring line, and they have all of one defenseman (Kaberle) who can move the puck effectively---and that defenseman just so happens to suck at defense.

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If Lebda does even half-decently in Toronto, I guarantee there will be people bashing Holland for not re-signing him. Included amongst the people will likely be many of those who spent a significant amount of time bashing Lebda in the past. They'll accuse Holland of not seeing his potential; they'll accuse Babcock of using him incorrectly; they'll lament his loss and feel sorry for themselves. It'll be hilarious.

Yeah - that's how I see it too...Truth be told I'm pulling for the guy, and hope he does well.

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Adios partner.

In all seriousness I hope he gets some more playing time there and he'll somehow get into a more established role.

He had one here and did really well for himself his first few seasons here, but tailed off and didn't really improve whatsoever overall.

Best of luck to him with the Maple Leafs.

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They'll accuse Holland of not seeing his potential; they'll accuse Babcock of using him incorrectly; they'll lament his loss and feel sorry for themselves. It'll be hilarious.

Pretty much what all Wings fans do when a guy leaves and does well elsewhere. Not really making any breaking news here. Might be funny but it happens with every single move that doesn't appear to work out well for the Wings and/or Wings fans. Ho-hum what can ya do? You will be Captain Eat the Crow! :thumbup:

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Pretty much what all Wings fans do when a guy leaves and does well elsewhere. Not really making any breaking news here. Might be funny but it happens with every single move that doesn't appear to work out well for the Wings and/or Wings fans. Ho-hum what can ya do? You will be Captain Eat the Crow! :thumbup:

Lang, Schneider and Bertuzzi really did badly after leaving the Wings. People forget about them when they complain about this sort of thing. If Lebda does badly, people will forget about his case and still go on the same self-pity trip (i.e. "IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME!!!!") the next time a player does leave and do better with another team.

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Lang, Schneider and Bertuzzi really did badly after leaving the Wings. People forget about them when they complain about this sort of thing. If Lebda does badly, people will forget about his case and still go on the same self-pity trip (i.e. "IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME!!!!") the next time a player does leave and do better with another team.

Lang was on the downhill with the Wings. 62pts his first full season then 52pts his second...he hit 54pts when he left.

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I grew up pretty close to Lebdas home town. We used to rent that ice in the video all the time. When they won the cup he brought it to a small bar 5 minutes away from my parents house. I didn't find out about it until later. I was hoping he'd win another cup in Detroit so I could be there the 2nd time. Too bad he wasn't good enough to stick around!

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Brett Lebda: "This is the No. 1 hockey market in the world, everyone knows that. It's even a way step up from Detroit from what I can tell."

He's obviously referring to the WAY heavier media coverage. Hope he enjoys the microscope.

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He's obviously referring to the WAY heavier media coverage. Hope he enjoys the microscope.

Not only that, but he is right Toronto is the #1 hockey market in the world.

From youth hockey upwards.

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Brett Lebda: "This is the No. 1 hockey market in the world, everyone knows that. It's even a way step up from Detroit from what I can tell."

Lebda's obviously smart enough to know what keeps most Leafs fans going. They accept that their team sucks but they comfort themselves by saying at least they're the mecca of hockey.

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Brett Lebda: "This is the No. 1 hockey market in the world, everyone knows that. It's even a way step up from Detroit from what I can tell."

Can't say I disagree with him. Playing for the Leafs is the equivalent of playing for the Yankees. They're gonna eat him alive there.

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Can't say I disagree with him. Playing for the Leafs is the equivalent of playing for the Yankees. They're gonna eat him alive there.

I don't think it will be too bad because I don't think he's going to play very much.

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Brett Lebda's gonna beat the crap out of every single one of you for pointing and laughing at him. You'll see...

:ph34r:

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