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It's official. The Wings are in rebuild mode.

“We’re trying to compete, we’re trying to rebuild, reload,'' Holland said. “You look at the moment in time. I can’t look at the moment in time. I have to look at what we’ve got and where I think we can go over the next few years, the age of the roster, who’s going to be here for a while.''

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/04/red_wings_gm_ken_holland_made.html

I don't disagree. It's just unfortunate that it's happening during Datsyuk and Zetterberg's remaining good years.

And as I said before, I still have to question Holland's rebuild plan. Because he says they're trying to rebuild and reload, but if you don't make any deals and you don't let rookies play, how exactly are you doing either of those? Injuries are what gave the kids a shot, not Holland. And guys like Sammy and Cola aren't rebuild moves.

Maybe he's finally acknowledging the team needs rebuilding and spare parts like Sammy aren't going to cut it.

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I'm happy Kenny didn't do anything. We have a really bright future which we weren't really able to say, confidently, in a while.

A trade now would have cost us our depth and Kenny knows that.

A lowered cap next year will really screw over a few teams and by then they'll lose players they acquired this year for an attempt at the cup.

I just feel bad for Dats having to play another mediocre year not unlike what happened with Lids during his last couple years here.

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The only overpayment I see is for Pominville. A first, a second AND two top prospects? No thanks. I think Gaborik qualifies as a top 6 forward and having his salary for one season doesn't bother me. I mean if Sammy is worth 3, Gaborik is easily worth 7.

I agree that it's a bit of an overpayment, but a Parise-Koivu-Pominville line is going to be lethal. I think the Wild may end up using an amnesty buyouy on Heatley during the summer now, for sure.

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I agree that it's a bit of an overpayment, but a Parise-Koivu-Pominville line is going to be lethal. I think the Wild may end up using an amnesty buyouy on Heatley during the summer now, for sure.

Just throw in a helm-abby-toots line at that....oh wait

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I don't disagree. It's just unfortunate that it's happening during Datsyuk and Zetterberg's remaining good years.

And as I said before, I still have to question Holland's rebuild plan. Because he says they're trying to rebuild and reload, but if you don't make any deals and you don't let rookies play, how exactly are you doing either of those? Injuries are what gave the kids a shot, not Holland. And guys like Sammy and Cola aren't rebuild moves.

Maybe he's finally acknowledging the team needs rebuilding and spare parts like Sammy aren't going to cut it.

I'm hoping your last statement is true. [bolded for emphasis]

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well i am no longer rooting for the wings to win, get in the playoffs or win the cup. holland killed all that. just going to watch and enjoy datsyuk and zetterberg in the last few years they have left.

its pretty upsetting knowing your team has no chance at the cup.

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Kenny fell flat AGAIN and is now claiming rebuild after the fact. What part of rebuilding was going after Jagr?

esteef

Look at all the picks he picked up for the rebuild!!!!

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That Holland statement makes no goddamn sense. Sounds like a bad term paper from a freshmen philosophy class. It sounds like he's following the Pistons rebuild plan and we all know how that's turned out. It's embarrassing to see him complain and make excuses in the media acting like he's handcuffed with this roster (that he put together) and theres nothing we can do. it'd be one thing if we were playing Tatar and Nyquist in the top 6 but we arent. There's stop gap galore on this team for no reason and he managed to trade none of them. We have millions of cap space freed up. More than enough to make major moves while being safely under the cap yet he acts like we've got measly pennies. Let Lids retire without making a run and Pavel is next. No ****ing balls. We were a middling team before Scotty came and we've been one since he's left. Coincidence?

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I'm okay with this. There was nobody I was dying to have.

People really need to remember that the "price" that Holland refers to isn't just about money. It's also about what players we'd have to give up. I'd rather him hoard prospects now than give them away for players that are only marginal improvements to our roster.

Holland makes no moves and everyone loses it but if he gave the teams what they asked from us I promise half of this board would be flipping out over what we gave up.

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That Holland statement makes no goddamn sense. Sounds like a bad term paper from a freshmen philosophy class. It sounds like he's following the Pistons rebuild plan and we all know how that's turned out. It's embarrassing to see him complain and make excuses in the media acting like he's handcuffed with this roster (that he put together) and theres nothing we can do. it'd be one thing if we were playing Tatar and Nyquist in the top 6 but we arent. There's stop gap galore on this team for no reason and he managed to trade none of them. We have millions of cap space freed up. More than enough to make major moves while being safely under the cap yet he acts like we've got measly pennies. Let Lids retire without making a run and Pavel is next. No ****ing balls. We were a middling team before Scotty came and we've been one since he's left. Coincidence?

Umm....'07-'09 was by no means "middling". Unless you mean when he was still an advisor...

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I don't disagree. It's just unfortunate that it's happening during Datsyuk and Zetterberg's remaining good years.

And as I said before, I still have to question Holland's rebuild plan. Because he says they're trying to rebuild and reload, but if you don't make any deals and you don't let rookies play, how exactly are you doing either of those? Injuries are what gave the kids a shot, not Holland. And guys like Sammy and Cola aren't rebuild moves.

Maybe he's finally acknowledging the team needs rebuilding and spare parts like Sammy aren't going to cut it.

he's full of sh*t if he was trying to rebuild he would of traded guys like white and miler for picks and tried to get a 1st for filppula or trade for filip forsberg who was surprisingly in play instead they all walk for zero

nice rebuild/retool plan holland

wasnt asking for gaborik or a high profile player but he cant even trade guys he know wont come back

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This is such a joke. We should unload Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, et all and stockpile these "high prices" for the rebuild.

KH=whiney D-Bag.

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Umm....'07-'09 was by no means "middling". Unless you mean when he was still an advisor...

Obviously after he left as an adviser. Also led with the rise of Chicago as the elite team in the division.
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Obviously after he left as an adviser. Also led with the rise of Chicago as the elite team in the division.

Give me a break, Scotty didn't become affiliated with the Black Hawks until 2008, at which point they had already drafted or acquired Toews, Bfuglien, Versteeg, Ladd, Brouwer, Kane, Sharp, Seabrook, and Keith. To say Scotty had anything to do with their rise is absurd.

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The rebuild is on, folks. There's no way around that. How good of a rebuild it's going to be is another story.

The sooner we cut ties with White, Colo, Sammy, and Bert, the better. We can't have this anymore. No more useless old men or injury-prone risks. Just cut the fat and accept that the team is headed back into the toilet for a while.

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Horrible trade by the Caps. Forsberg will be a star in a few yrs and Erat? Probably retired by then.

Agreed. Caps fans are pissed and if I were them I'd be after McDerp's head.

The rebuild is on, folks. There's no way around that. How good of a rebuild it's going to be is another story.

The sooner we cut ties with White, Colo, Sammy, and Bert, the better. We can't have this anymore. No more useless old men or injury-prone risks. Just cut the fat and accept that the team is headed back into the toilet for a while.

This message brought to you from the summer of 2012.

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The rebuild is on, folks. There's no way around that. How good of a rebuild it's going to be is another story.

The sooner we cut ties with White, Colo, Sammy, and Bert, the better. We can't have this anymore. No more useless old men or injury-prone risks. Just cut the fat and accept that the team is headed back into the toilet for a while.

With the exception of like four guys our entire team is "the fat".

Anybody remember, "how well the team plays over the next six games will determine how active we are during the trade deadline"? That was Ken Holland, a week and a half ago, treating his fans like they are idiots. Awesome.

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This is actually one time where I actually think the best thing for us might have been to do nothing. Getting Bert, Sammy, and Helm back is literally like adding a third line. That's roughly 13-16 minutes of ice time every night. I have to believe that much ice time with players as good as they are will increase scoring or at the very least, play much more in the other teams end. The cost is just too high right now for rental players who would likely have only a minimal effect.

With that said, I do believe the salary cap has revealed that Holland is not the magician he was made out to be all these years.

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Obviously after he left as an adviser. Also led with the rise of Chicago as the elite team in the division.

Give me a break, Scotty didn't become affiliated with the Black Hawks until 2008, at which point they had already drafted or acquired Toews, Bfuglien, Versteeg, Ladd, Brouwer, Kane, Sharp, Seabrook, and Keith. To say Scotty had anything to do with their rise is absurd.

Give me a break that you're insinuating that I think Scotty had anything to do with the drafting of those players. You don't think Scotty had a hand in the massively retooling that included many of those players listed? Everyone here thought the Hawks handcuffed themselves into a cap space disaster with their all in cap run yet here they are 3 years later the class of the league with their entire core intact + Hossa. No one believed they'd be able to keep Toews, Kane, Sharp, AND Seabrook.

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