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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:47 AM

I don't think it's up to Brunner anymore.  We have no room.  Babcock likes balanced lines, so you're looking at a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader line (skill and two workhorses), a Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson line (skill and some grit), a speed line in Tatar-Helm-Nyquist (with Tatar replacing Brunner), and a somewhat discombobulated fourth line made up of three of Eaves, Miller, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Tootoo and Samuelsson.  

 

I like Brunner, and am bummed to seem him go, but isn't Tatar basically the same player?  He really took some strides and I think Holland and Babcock have faith in him and like his style.  It might take him a year or so to really get going, but he impressed all of us so far and fills a similar role to Brunner.  

 

If we bring Brunner in, either Tatar gets demoted to the fourth, further complicating things, or Brunner goes to the fourth which just won't work.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:59 AM

I like Brunner, and it sucks he won't be a Wing, but what if it turns out to be a really good thing, I mean the guy is talented but like many say, what if he's another Leino. He showed alot of signs of being a soft euro as many would call it. It won't be a total loss though provided we have Gus, Ands, and Tats in the lineup. Sammy is such a burden, lol but thats on Holland. I like Holland I think hes the best in the business, but signing Sammy was one of the dumbest decisions hes ever made and it might (probably will)  prevent Gus and Ands from playing.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:28 AM

I don't think it's up to Brunner anymore.  We have no room.  Babcock likes balanced lines, so you're looking at a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader line (skill and two workhorses), a Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson line (skill and some grit), a speed line in Tatar-Helm-Nyquist (with Tatar replacing Brunner), and a somewhat discombobulated fourth line made up of three of Eaves, Miller, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Tootoo and Samuelsson.

 

I like Brunner, and am bummed to seem him go, but isn't Tatar basically the same player?  He really took some strides and I think Holland and Babcock have faith in him and like his style.  It might take him a year or so to really get going, but he impressed all of us so far and fills a similar role to Brunner.  

 

If we bring Brunner in, either Tatar gets demoted to the fourth, further complicating things, or Brunner goes to the fourth which just won't work.

 

I'd add Andersson into that mix. I really think he'll be on the team. I think there's even a chance that the team may try to protect Helm a bit, at least at the start of the season, and use him on the 4th line and Andersson on the 3rd.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:44 AM

 

I'd add Andersson into that mix. I really think he'll be on the team. I think there's even a chance that the team may try to protect Helm a bit, at least at the start of the season, and use him on the 4th line and Andersson on the 3rd.

 

You're right.  I just forgot to put him in the list.  I also forgot Emmerton.  Man, we've really got some extra forwards, don't we?

 

EDIT: Although, I have a bad feeling Holland might send Andersson down just so he won't have to get rid of so many players, since Andersson technically can be sent back down.  It'd be a bad move, but at the end of the day, is Holland simply going to waive five players? I don't think so.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:47 AM

Don't know if this has been posted but a few days ago Mailk was tweeting quotes from Holland that said Brunner was seeking employment outside of Detroit. I'm guessing Kenny told him there's no room at his price. No I'm not going to dig through my twitter to find those quotes.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

Don't know if this has been posted but a few days ago Mailk was tweeting quotes from Holland that said Brunner was seeking employment outside of Detroit. I'm guessing Kenny told him there's no room at his price. No I'm not going to dig through my twitter to find those quotes.


That's why I don't read Twitter, always so much speculation and rarely the truth. On the other side if Holland really told him "no place at this pricetag" Brunner is going to sign elsewhere soon. Let us just hope it will be outside the East

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

Brunner should resign with us for the Cup.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:38 PM

The fact that he has certainly had offers and hasn't signed anywhere makes me speculate that Holland has asked him to hold pat while we hopefully work out a trade to free up cap and roster space, at which point the negotiation will be revisited. Holland had likely planned on resigning him but the Alfie signing plus the fact the Sammy is still in the roster handcuffed us from a cap and roster perspective.  I say there's a decent chance we still sign him after packaging Tatar or Nyquist in a trade for a D man.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:45 PM

How can there still be talk of re--signing Cleary when we have a multi player logjam as it is? Just call it quits.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:47 PM

I don't think it's up to Brunner anymore.  We have no room.  Babcock likes balanced lines, so you're looking at a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader line (skill and two workhorses), a Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson line (skill and some grit), a speed line in Tatar-Helm-Nyquist (with Tatar replacing Brunner), and a somewhat discombobulated fourth line made up of three of Eaves, Miller, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Tootoo and Samuelsson.  

 

I like Brunner, and am bummed to seem him go, but isn't Tatar basically the same player?  He really took some strides and I think Holland and Babcock have faith in him and like his style.  It might take him a year or so to really get going, but he impressed all of us so far and fills a similar role to Brunner.  

 

If we bring Brunner in, either Tatar gets demoted to the fourth, further complicating things, or Brunner goes to the fourth which just won't work.

 

  In perfect world with hindsight coming into play this:

 

    Tatar                 Datsyuk         Zetterberg

    Alfredsson        Weiss            Franzen

    Nyquist              Helm             Brunner

    Abdelkader        Andersson    Bertuzzi  -Eaves-Tootoo

 

In our actual world this:

 

   Abdelkader        Datsyuk         Franzen

   Alfredsson         Weiss           Zetterberg

   Nyquist              Helm             Tatar

   Bertuzzi            Andersson     Samuelsson  -Eaves-Tootoo  

 

    Edit*I forgot Miller and Emmerton haha (oh well, same anyway)


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:51 PM

 
  In perfect world with hindsight coming into play this:
 
    Tatar                 Datsyuk         Zetterberg
    Alfredsson        Weiss            Franzen
    Nyquist              Helm             Brunner
    Abdelkader        Andersson    Bertuzzi  -Eaves-Tootoo
 
In our actual world this:
 
   Abdelkader        Datsyuk         Franzen
   Alfredsson         Weiss           Zetterberg
   Nyquist              Helm             Tatar
   Bertuzzi            Andersson     Samuelsson  -Eaves-Tootoo  
 
    Edit*I forgot Miller and Emmerton haha (oh well, same anyway)


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:05 PM

Dont forget Emdog anymore. He's a regular.

 

A regular with the Oilers, Islanders, etc. or even Griffins soon enough. 



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:09 PM

 
A regular with the Oilers, Islanders, etc. or even Griffins soon enough. 


Yah yah. Heard all this last year.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:21 PM

Yah yah. Heard all this last year.

Last year Helm was not healthy, so the team was short a center, that changes things drastically.

Emmerton filled a gap admirably, but if Helm comes back Emmerton will be the odd man looking in, IMO!


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:27 PM

 

 

In our actual world this:

 

   Abdelkader        Datsyuk         Franzen

   Zetterberg         Weiss           Alfredsson

   Nyquist              Helm             Tatar

   Miller            Andersson     Bertuzzi  -Eaves-Tootoo-Sammy-Emmerton  

 

    Edit*I forgot Miller and Emmerton haha (oh well, same anyway)

Not to nitpick but with the correct LW/RW assignments it would be something like this.

 

I would prefer this:

 

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen

Tatar - Helm - Abby

Miller - Andersson - Bert/Eaves/Tootoo

 

If Franzen works hard during the regular season I would be very comfortable with that lineup. Each line has a shooter and a setup man. I think having one player on each line that is huge for the sake of being huge is a waste of time - you need to give the best players the top minutes and get them out there as much as possible together. Also, chemistry is chemistry so if something that looks weird on paper works then go for it. 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

Last year Helm was not healthy, so the team was short a center, that changes things drastically.

Emmerton filled a gap admirably, but if Helm comes back Emmerton will be the odd man looking in, IMO!

 

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:44 PM

 

He's having fun with you.

 

Hard to tell sometimes with the Man Crush he has on "EmDog!"


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:49 PM

That's why I don't read Twitter, always so much speculation and rarely the truth. On the other side if Holland really told him "no place at this pricetag" Brunner is going to sign elsewhere soon. Let us just hope it will be outside the East

I believe the quote was something along the lines of "Brunner is looking elsewhere" basically indicating he's talking to other teams now, not the red wings. moving on.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

Last year Helm was not healthy, so the team was short a center, that changes things drastically.

Emmerton filled a gap admirably, but if Helm comes back Emmerton will be the odd man looking in, IMO!

 

Plus you have the development of Andersson who now is clearly ahead of Emmerton on the organizational depth chart.  Add on then the fact that the Wings have to shed a couple of forwards & they have the ability to call up Ferraro & Sheahan from GR with no waiver risk if injuries do happen.  Emmerton is a cheap plug with 1 year left on his contract that really has no future with the team.  He'll either be packaged up in a trade or sent through waivers to GR & I wouldn't be all that surprised to see him clear waivers too, like the forward he's been competing for a spot with the last couple of seasons.  (see: Mursak, Jan)

 

And as to Brunner, that ship has effectively sailed by all reports.  His camp wasn't interested in the dollars/years Kenny was offering & Kenny wasn't interested in what they were asking for.  Personally, while I would have liked to see what Brunner could develop into if he stayed in Detroit, I'm more interested in Nyquist & Tatar's development as they turn into full timers & think both of them will bring more to the table than Brunner too.  Mark me down in the camp that's comfortable with Brunner moving on.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:19 PM

The fact that he has certainly had offers and hasn't signed anywhere makes me speculate that Holland has asked him to hold pat while we hopefully work out a trade to free up cap and roster space, at which point the negotiation will be revisited. Holland had likely planned on resigning him but the Alfie signing plus the fact the Sammy is still in the roster handcuffed us from a cap and roster perspective.  I say there's a decent chance we still sign him after packaging Tatar or Nyquist in a trade for a D man.

 

I'd like to think that, but I doubt they're in that kind of contact.  Also, if he was really committed to sign him, and they had a number in place (say, $2.75 AAV), wouldn't they just sign him now and fix the cap before the season?  That would be an awful big risk to leave him floating out there.

 

I think it's more likely that they've moved on, and we wouldn't even revisit him at $2.5 million unless somebody wants to bail us out on Sammy or Tootoo's contracts.  We have too many forwards as it is. 

 

I also disagree that Tatar and Nyquist are being shopped.  Tatar is cheap and skilled for one more year - Nyquist will get paid some more, but neither of them makes close to what the hypothetical defenseman we would trade for would cost.  I actually think that Holland and Babcock are happy with the defense as constituted.  There's a glimmer of hope that DeKeyser could be considered a Top 4 defenseman if all goes well this year.  Kindl can be counted on as a starter, which had certainly never been the case before.  It's a young defensive corps that played 3x better in April than they did in January.







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