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#1861 WingedWheel91

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:46 AM

I must admit, I also like to get caught up in the circus that comes as soon as the season ends and into mid-July - excited about all of the potential names available, and where they would fit into our lineup. Unfortunately, this team probably made its biggest splash (in years) in free agency last year and based on the results, may be hesitant to do so again this year. We signed basically the two biggest names on the market (outside of Clarkson and Horton) and finished in 8th and played 5 post-season games. Yes, I know about the injury situation - but one of the biggest injury concerns was the guy we signed on July 5th... 

 

Lets be honest - we are not getting Weber, we are not getting Kesler, we are not getting Spezza or Thornton and we probably aren't getting Tyler Myers either.

 

I really hope we don't throw the cheque book at Niskanen either.

 

Realistically, my best case scenario this season for this team is to sign Dan Boyle to a 2 year contract.

 

If health is something that cant be counted on or against, I have to stick with this group of forwards because when healthy and with a big summer, they should by dynamite.

 

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KRONWALL - SMITH

DEKEYSER - BOYLE

ERICSSON  - MARCHENKO

 

I would then use Kindl, Andersson, and Tatar (who has a right handed twin ready to play in Pulkkinen) as trade bait to fetch a bigger name that may be available this summer or during the season.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:01 AM

I'm not a baseball guy so I can't comment on the first guy, however I never had huge expectations of any of the other guys.

I was one of the few here that always thought Ericsson would grow into a top 4 shutdown guy, but I never had the expectations of him becoming anything like a Chris Pronger. I never had huge expectations of either Brunnstrom or Brunner when they came here. I always seen them as 3rd line support guys. Same goes for Leino. I still remember his first NHL goal and everyone was salivating, saying that he is the next big thing. I never seen it. Also, all three of these guys were undrafted players signed as free agents and Ericsson was the last pick in his draft year. How often do those type players turn into all-stars? Not very often... The guys that I am saying will have great careers as top line guys were all drafted in the first two rounds. Mantha (20th), Smith (27th) and Sproul (55th). All of whom, have dominated leagues prior to playing in the NHL. There is a much better chance they become all-star caliber players then anyone you mentioned.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:20 AM

Much as some of us would like to say farewell to Kindl and Andersson, neither guy has much trade value, especially not in a package for a big name. Teams would look at that as a good second-line scorer (Tatar), a marginal fourth-liner (Andersson) and a seventh defenceman (Kindl), so it wouldn't bring much back.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:39 AM

Much as some of us would like to say farewell to Kindl and Andersson, neither guy has much trade value, especially not in a package for a big name. Teams would look at that as a good second-line scorer (Tatar), a marginal fourth-liner (Andersson) and a seventh defenceman (Kindl), so it wouldn't bring much back.

 

Kindl has some decent value I reckon due to his being a former first round pick who had a good season 2 years ago and showed his potential at the NHL level. Could easily be marketed as a guy who just needs a change of scenery and a different coach. Andersson though, I agree with you on. 


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

I would be more willing to move promising prospect Xavier Ouellet then Smith. I know that Smith would be more enticing to other teams but I would dangle Ouellet and Tatar plus picks for a decent trade.

 

Players / Prospects that I would be offering in potential trades.

 

Tatar, Andersson, Kindl, Ouellet, and of course the fillers with little to no value right now, Ferraro, Almquist, plus picks

 

Defensemen that I would be targeting as UFA signings in order.

 

Matt Niskanen, Tom Gilbert, Dan Boyle, Anton Stralman, Derek Morris.

Agree with you on all of those trade pieces.  I guess I think the prices are going to be a bit higher. 

 

IF we're trading with Buffalo.

Buffalo is going to want players and prospects over picks as they don't need anymore picks.

 

At this point over the next two years as they have the following:

2014:  #2 pick overall and they pick first in each subsequent round.

In round 2 they have their own pick at #31 plus two additional picks at #39 and #49
The only round they don't have a pick in is the 4th round.

2015:  Their own pick in the first, plus the Islander's 1st rounder, plus St. Louis' 1st rounder. 

Without much doubt, both of their pick and the Islander's pick will be slot in somewhere in the 1-5 position, maybe as low as #8.
In the second round, they have their own pick plus the Islander's pick.

 

The draft cupboard is stocked for the future.  They want players that can play now. Grow with the team.

That's why I think if we want Ehrhoff, it's going to cost us Smith and additional players/prospects.

I'm willing to pay that price.

 

I'm high on Niskanen, but I'm not sold on Boyle. 

In all honestly, I'm over Holland's aging vet stop-gap maneuver.

Boyle's going to command too much money and if Holland is going to overpay, I'd rather it be for Niskanen with some term. Pay Niskanen!  Pay him, Kenny!

 

For the rest, I'm okay with all of them...

...as third pairing guys to go with a kid which means that we've still got to make a trade for a top flight defenseman

 

In a dream world, KH would trade for Ehrhoff and grab Niskanen.

 

Kronner - Ehrhoff

DeKe - Niskanen

Ericsson - Marchenko

Lash/[kid]

 

In my dreamiest of dreams, we'd somehow retain Smith as well  (Go ahead, laugh at me. I'm practically asking for it.)

 

Kronner - Ehrhoff

Deke - Niskanen

Ericsson - Smith

Kid


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#1866 anthonyn66

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:17 AM

 

 

Why would you not ****** up a 24 year old big power forward who can play center and wing coming off a 34 goal 79 point season and his 26 year old big physical shot blocking defenseman brother?

 

BTW, s n a t c h is blocked.

 

Great point. Most of LGW would be thrilled if he developed into a player of close caliber to Jamie Benn. It'll probably take him 2-3 years to hit PPG. What Benn has that Mantha apparently doesn't is consistent compete level and great leadership ability. Benn does not go invisible and Babcock singled him out at the Olympics for his strong performance.

 

....unfortunately this isn't NHL 14


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:37 AM

Mantha was labled inconsistent two years ago when he was just a teenager. He has been working on that area of his game and it has shown. He only went a handful of games this past season without a point and was putting up on average, over two points per game. If that isn't consistent, I'm not sure what is. Also he was an alternate captain for the Foreurs this past season, so does show leadership qualities as well...


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 11:03 AM

 

In my dreamiest of dreams, we'd somehow retain Smith as well  (Go ahead, laugh at me. I'm practically asking for it.)

 

Kronner - Ehrhoff

Deke - Niskanen

Ericsson - Smith

Kid

 

That dream turns into a nightmare in two years when every single D-man on the roster is still under contract and we have Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, and Marchenko ready to go.


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#1869 Mike J.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:21 PM

In my NHL 14 season mode, I traded Cleary and Quincey for Niskanen halfway through the season. Seems like a fair deal right?



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:25 PM

 

That dream turns into a nightmare in two years when every single D-man on the roster is still under contract and we have Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, and Marchenko ready to go.

 

So then at that point you trade or waive the weakest link.  I really don't see how people perceive this as a bad thing...

 

DEPTH IS YOUR FRIEND.  Our defensive prospects are not even close to "over-ripened" so in a year or two if they can EARN a spot then they will. 


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#1871 DeGraa55

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 01:20 PM

From nhltraderumors.com

The Senators want a player, prospect and a first round pick for Jason Spezza. The Ducks and Blues could be good fits.

Seems to be a tad high unless it can be a kid tier prospect or player.

I'd do like Tatar pulk and this years first.

But idk what exactly they want obviously. And this is where ken holland is failing IMO. Trade for him and a like 4 year extension be perfect!!!

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 01:37 PM

From nhltraderumors.com

The Senators want a player, prospect and a first round pick for Jason Spezza. The Ducks and Blues could be good fits.

Seems to be a tad high unless it can be a kid tier prospect or player.

I'd do like Tatar pulk and this years first.

But idk what exactly they want obviously. And this is where ken holland is failing IMO. Trade for him and a like 4 year extension be perfect!!!

 

I just don't see Ottawa trading with us...  Murray/Melnyk would not do that to their fanbase.

 

Alfie AND Spezza going to a divisional rival within a year of each other?  It just makes no sense.


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#1873 paulwoodsfan

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 01:40 PM

If we get a top-18 player back for Kindl -- a guy who will dress night after night, either forward or D -- I will be very surprised. I don't think GMs are dumb enough to buy into the "change of scenery" line. Sure, someone will be willing to take on an experienced d-man, but they won't give up much for him, IMO.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 01:43 PM

From nhltraderumors.com

The Senators want a player, prospect and a first round pick for Jason Spezza. The Ducks and Blues could be good fits.

Seems to be a tad high unless it can be a kid tier prospect or player.

I'd do like Tatar pulk and this years first.

But idk what exactly they want obviously. And this is where ken holland is failing IMO. Trade for him and a like 4 year extension be perfect!!!

 

That's mental, precisely for the fact that Spezza only has 1 year left on his deal. That wouldn't work for us, especially considering we need D more than we do up front, and we've (hopefully) got a healthy Weiss for a full season. Even then, I don't think Spezza is worth quite that. 


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:08 PM

Bobby Ryan or Ryan Kesler yes, Spezza no. Not for that return.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:49 PM

I'm not a baseball guy so I can't comment on the first guy, however I never had huge expectations of any of the other guys.

I was one of the few here that always thought Ericsson would grow into a top 4 shutdown guy, but I never had the expectations of him becoming anything like a Chris Pronger. I never had huge expectations of either Brunnstrom or Brunner when they came here. I always seen them as 3rd line support guys. Same goes for Leino. I still remember his first NHL goal and everyone was salivating, saying that he is the next big thing. I never seen it. Also, all three of these guys were undrafted players signed as free agents and Ericsson was the last pick in his draft year. How often do those type players turn into all-stars? Not very often... The guys that I am saying will have great careers as top line guys were all drafted in the first two rounds. Mantha (20th), Smith (27th) and Sproul (55th). All of whom, have dominated leagues prior to playing in the NHL. There is a much better chance they become all-star caliber players then anyone you mentioned.

 

My point is, prospects don't always hit their ceilings.  Most of the time they become very good players who aren't quite as good as people thought that they might be.  Sometimes they don't come close, and once in awhile they become as good as advertised.  Look at the 99 draft, as an example.  Every one of the top 10 picks were highly rated players.  3 of them are currently in the NHL.  4 of them played in over 650 NHL games. If you can get a good young player for a prospect, unless it's a a guy you know FOR SURE is going to be a high end player, a guy like Crosby, Ovechkin, Toews, etc., you make the deal every time.  

 

It'd be like someone handing you a briefcase, telling you that it has an amount between $50 and $5000.  It probably has at least $4000, but he's not sure and it's not guaranteed.  You can have the case, or he'll hand you $4500 cash.  What are you going to take?


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:24 PM

Bobby Ryan or Ryan Kesler yes, Spezza no. Not for that return.


That's why I'll add some more and shoot for Ryan to.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:38 PM

...like I said, unless I am getting a top 1% player in the NHL, I am keeping Mantha and taking the gamble.  You trade him and he turns out to be the next 200 point guy, then you suck.  You keep him, pass on acquiring Ovechkin (just for an example) and Mantha becomes just another 20-25 goal scorer, you suck.  Anything less than a 1%-er I am not dealing Mantha.  I understand the tough job it has to be being a GM and second guessing everything you may do after the fact, ie. Franzen over Hossa, but at the time Holland had no idea Franzen would be Franzen and Hossa would help win 2 Cups in Chicago.  I get it. I also get that players like Kesler, Ryan, Benn, Getzalf, Perry, Crosby, etc...don't come around that often and if you have the oppourtunity to have one of them in their prime, you should 90% jump at it, at any cost...but I am reminded of the Wayne Gretzky trade, he was traded to LA and Detroit at the same time, meaning there were two deals in place, he obviously wanted to play in Detroit, but LA turned up the offer and LA was the eventual "winner."  I cringe to think that we would have most definitely lost Yzerman to Edmonton in that deal.  Sure, we would have had Gretzky in his 20's, but as it turned out, he never won another Cup and only got to the Finals once, even with some of the great teams he played on...our teams would have gone a complete different direction with Wayne on it and we probably don't draft Fedorov or Lidstrom...you just never know.

 

Keep Mantha, make other deals, sign a couple of UFA solid vet D-men.  Trade away the extra baggage for picks or futures...the most valuable players I would give up are Helm, Franzen and Smith in a deal for a player that can help us now. Those three I wouldn't miss on this team and even if they went on to become better players somewhere else, I wouldn't regret it. Smith maybe, but as said a million times, you have to give to get...


DeGraa, funny thing is, we probably could have outbid Ottawa for Ryan back when he was traded.  We could have offered Jarnkrok, Helm, our 1st in 2014 and I think that would have been a better deal for Anaheim.  I know Silfverberg is a heck of a player, but at the time the trade Jarnkrok was at or near our #1 prospect and Holland didn't want to move him then.  Helm would have been a nice #2 or #3 center out there as well.

 

Unfortunately, now with Ottawa in our division, it would cost way too much.  Murray would ask Detroit for more than he'd ask St. Louis, that is a fact.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:39 PM

Mantha was not a top 3 pick. There were and are questions about him. It is far more likely that he puts up Franzen type numbers that 100 point seasons.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:44 PM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Backstrom
Giroux-Brodziak-Gaborik
Miller-Helm-Neil
Weise-MacKenzie-McGrattan

Kronwall-Dekeyser
Ericsson-Giordano
Greene-Engelland


This seems to be working well for me in my Dynasty Mode. Ken should give it a try.
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