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#21 _SP_

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 06:51 PM

People forget that he had a nasty, lingering concussion last year. Throw out a bad four-month period and he looks like a #4/5 DMAN.  Throw him on a third pairing with Ouelett and the team would look pretty good.  Kronwall-Smith, Big E-DeKeyeser, Ouelett-Boyle.... that's a huge bump in toughness and puck-moving ability with guys who make smart plays.



#22 Dabura

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 07:01 PM

Kronwall  Smith

DeKeyser  Boyle

Ericsson  Sproul

 

Kronwall  Ericsson

DeKeyser  Boyle

Smith  Marchenko

 

Kronwall  Smith

DeKeyser [?]

Ericsson  Boyle

 

You get the idea. A couple years of Dan Boyle would be nice. But if Darth Snow can win him over to the Dark Side, oh well.


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#23 WingsallTheway

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:12 PM

Boyle is a shell of his former self. He was a great defenceman a few years ago but has found himself on the wrong side of 35; and just like most defenceman at this age, is not able to keep up with the new NHL. 

 

Sharks fans generally agree that his time has come as well, they are not upset at him leaving. If he isn't good enough for their team, he shouldnt be for ours either based on the amount of kids we need to start having playing time


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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:36 PM

Oh, plz.

 

The Wings aren't on the same level as the Sharks. We could really use a Dan Boyle. How does having him on the second pairing for a couple years hurt us? Are we that high on our kids that we feel we need Ouellet and Marchenko taking the hypothetical two spots available or we're not going to be able to compete for the Cup?

 

Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, a kid, someone from the outside. That's probably what our blue line should look like next season. If that someone from the outside is Dan Boyle, that's not a bad thing. If he falters, he gets hurt - then guess what: we can bring up a kid. Win-win.


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#25 STATiK

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:36 PM

What does he have to sing though?

 

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:46 PM

 

Oh, plz.

 

The Wings aren't on the same level as the Sharks. We could really use a Dan Boyle. How does having him on the second pairing for a couple years hurt us? Are we that high on our kids that we feel we need Ouellet and Marchenko taking the hypothetical two spots available or we're not going to be able to compete for the Cup?

 

Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, a kid, someone from the outside. That's probably what our blue line should look like next season. If that someone from the outside is Dan Boyle, that's not a bad thing. If he falters, he gets hurt - then guess what: we can bring up a kid. Win-win.

Really?  We're not? 

Unless you're saying that they're in a slightly better position than us... Looks pretty goddamn famililar.

 

Core that can't get over the hump in the playoffs?  Veterans that only play well only so often? 

Goaltender that TONS of the fan-base question about their ability to win a cup?  

Youth that looks promising.  Etc. 

 

Except that he's going to get $5 or $6 million.  You all comfortable paying that type of money for Dan Boyle?


Edited by e_prime, 05 June 2014 - 09:02 PM.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:49 PM

Except that he's going to get $5 or $6 million.  You all comfortable paying that type of money for Dan Boyle?

If it's on a one year deal, yes.  We'll certainly have the cap space, so at least from a fan's perspective, it's largely irrelevant.  We're not the ones paying him.



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:04 PM

If it's on a one year deal, yes.  We'll certainly have the cap space, so at least from a fan's perspective, it's largely irrelevant.  We're not the ones paying him.

It'll be relevant when THIS FAN has to listen to the rest of LGW ***** and moan about we overpaid Dan Boyle for the year... (...and we're talking about Ken Holland here... you know it'll be more than a year!!)  :lol:


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#29 WingsallTheway

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:13 PM

Oh, plz.

 

The Wings aren't on the same level as the Sharks. We could really use a Dan Boyle. How does having him on the second pairing for a couple years hurt us? Are we that high on our kids that we feel we need Ouellet and Marchenko taking the hypothetical two spots available or we're not going to be able to compete for the Cup?

 

Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, a kid, someone from the outside. That's probably what our blue line should look like next season. If that someone from the outside is Dan Boyle, that's not a bad thing. If he falters, he gets hurt - then guess what: we can bring up a kid. Win-win.

 

 

Whats the point in signing a vet like Boyle? He just hinders our progress like signing any other grizzled vet would. This team needs to sign a defenceman that can stay for a few years, or a short term D-man who can effectively hold his own and isnt as slow as Lilja

 

Just like adding Legwand (which did need to be done at the time; but thats another topic) Adding Boyle does not help make us a contender, so it is a waste of a roster and cap space


Edited by WingsallTheway, 05 June 2014 - 09:15 PM.

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#30 Rivalred

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:39 PM

 
I'll bet he does.  Given all the good years he's given San Jose it would be really s***ty of them to trade his rights to a team he's not willing to sign with.  My guess is they had a discussion with him before they pulled the trigger and he gave the ok. 

It is a business and I do not remember where I read or heard it, but SJ had no intention to re-sign him and this was weeks ago. SJ for something for him; once again a business, got something for nothing

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#31 frankgrimes

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 03:35 AM

 
I'll bet he does.  Given all the good years he's given San Jose it would be really s***ty of them to trade his rights to a team he's not willing to sign with.  My guess is they had a discussion with him before they pulled the trigger and he gave the ok. It is a business and I do not remember where I read or heard it, but SJ had no intention to re-sign him and this was weeks ago. SJ for something for him; once again a business, got something for nothing


I hate that term yes, it's a business but hockey is also a sport loved and done by humans not robots! Boyle gave the Sharks a lot so they owe him a trade to a team where he might want to sign.

Humans >>> Business!

I hope he signs so Holland won't do something crazy

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 06:55 AM

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 08:14 AM

Is signing a guy like Boyle going to win us another SC? Let me answer that for you: NO! In that case I pass.



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 08:21 AM

Is signing any one player in this years free agent class going to win us a cup? No. So what's the beef with adding a guy on a short deal to help our PP? Could he be any worse than Kindl? Let me answer that for you: NO!

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#35 Richdg

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 08:28 AM

Is signing any one player in this years free agent class going to win us a cup? No. So what's the beef with adding a guy on a short deal to help our PP? Could he be any worse than Kindl? Let me answer that for you: NO!

If winning the cup is the goal, and to be honest NOTHING is telling me that is our goal anymore, then we need better players than guys like Boyle. Is we are not trying to win another cup right now, then go young.

BTW there is this thing called trades. We could try it, it might work........



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 08:32 AM

I never understood that sentiment, to me it makes zero sense. "Is player X going to win us a Stanley Cup? No, so you don't add him"...

No single player can win a Stanley Cup, that is why you need to add "pieces".

A better question would be, can player X help us win games? Will he make us a better team? Yes, so you add him.

I think Boyle does make us a better team, but would he be my number one choice? No. Do we need to add other pieces besides a Boyle to help us win the Stanley Cup? Absolutely.

 

With Boyle we could have something like...

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Smith

Ouellet - Boyle

Lashoff

 

OR

 

With Niskanen we could have something like...

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Niskanen

Ouellet - Smith

Lashoff

 

Which one looks better? I like option two better but option one wouldn't be the worst thing, and is certainly an upgrade over last year, in my opinion...


Edited by krsmith17, 06 June 2014 - 08:35 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 08:36 AM

I never understood that sentiment, to me it makes zero sense. "Is player X going to win us a Stanley Cup? No, so you don't add him"...
No single player can win a Stanley Cup, that is why you need to add "pieces".
A better question would be, can player X help us win games? Will he make us a better team? Yes, so you add him.
I think Boyle does make us a better team, but would he be my number one choice? No. Do we need to add other pieces besides a Boyle to help us win the Stanley Cup? Absolutely.
 
With Boyle we could have something like...
Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - Smith
Ouellet - Boyle
Lashoff
 
OR
 
With Niskanen we could have something like...
Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - Niskanen
Ouellet - Smith
Lashoff
 
Which one loos better? I like option two better but option one wouldn't be the worst thing, and is certainly an upgrade over last year, in my opinion...

Kronwall smith
Dekeyser Ericsson
Oullete marchenko

Looks much better IMO. Unless there a few key players added we won't be competing for the cup so let the young guys get better and more experienced. They're also good enough to help us keep the stupid streak alive.


And it's perfectly fine to have the attitude of is player x going to help us win a cup. That was my attitude last year. What could Alfie and cleary bring that nyquist and jurco couldn't? Nothing except leadership and experience which we got plenty of. You only sign Boyle and Alfie if they're the missing piece to winning a cup which they aren't. Were too far away so signing them is pointless when we got other(better) players all ready in GR.

Edited by DeGraa55, 06 June 2014 - 08:39 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 09:00 AM

I accidently "liked" your post when I definitely disagree lol...

I love Smith. He is one of my favorite players and I think he is a future top pairing defenseman. I also think Kronwall and Smith were a good top pair to end the season, but I don't think it is our best option when everyone is healthy. I don't think Babcock will break up the Kronwall - Ericsson pairing that has been great for us. I also don't understand why you would want two of your most offensive minded defensemen on one pairing and your two best shut down defensemen on the second pairing... I would much rather mix and match offensive minded and defensive minded. That is why I would stick with Kronwall - Ericsson and DeKeyser - Smith, I think they could be a great top 4.

Also, I think a Ouellet - Marchenko third pairing would be a nightmare and everyone on here would be screaming to trade both for a bag of pucks if that happened...


Edited by krsmith17, 06 June 2014 - 09:02 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 09:18 AM

I never understood that sentiment, to me it makes zero sense. "Is player X going to win us a Stanley Cup? No, so you don't add him"...

No single player can win a Stanley Cup, that is why you need to add "pieces".

A better question would be, can player X help us win games? Will he make us a better team? Yes, so you add him.

I think Boyle does make us a better team, but would he be my number one choice? No. Do we need to add other pieces besides a Boyle to help us win the Stanley Cup? Absolutely.

 

With Boyle we could have something like...

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Smith

Ouellet - Boyle

Lashoff

 

OR

 

With Niskanen we could have something like...

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Niskanen

Ouellet - Smith

Lashoff

 

Which one looks better? I like option two better but option one wouldn't be the worst thing, and is certainly an upgrade over last year, in my opinion...

Yes. We need pieces, as in plural. More than one. That being the case what benefit is there to signing a guy like Boyle? Are we going to win more games? Maybe. Yes he improves puck movement-so would Sproul, but our defense is worse. Also young guys that need to play/develop are not allowed to do it. In the end there is one way to find out if a guy can play in the NHL. That is to play in the NHL.

Now if Holland would get off of his butt (maybe he will/is behind the scenes), do all of your BL pairs after adding a guy like say Carlson. That is the type of player or players we should be talking about. Not a stop gap like Boyle. Yes that means we have to give up some good young players. We have more. We lack stars and proven quality players that we can build around for the next 10-12 years.



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:00 AM

Why would Boyle want to go to the isles? At this stage in his career he has got to be thinking Stanley Cup. I'm gonna laugh when he doesn't sign there.





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