miksteri 55 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 Finnish hockey fans went to bar in st pterburgh in russia and emptied the bar of beer, the owner wasnt happy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miksteri 55 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Fin 3 - Hun 0 Ohtamaa Koivu Barkov Edited May 11, 2016 by miksteri Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miksteri 55 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Swe 7 - Kaz 3 Looks like swede goalist Fasth decided to take a nap... Nyqvist with a hat-trick. Edited May 11, 2016 by miksteri 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Sweden won over Kazakhstan 7-3. Gustav Nyqvist had a hat trick and an assist. A glorious display! Edited May 11, 2016 by Jacksoni 1 derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 Nyqvist as anonymous as he has been on the Wings this year. A shameful display! A shameful display! Gustav Nyqvist had a hat trick and an assist. A glorious display! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 Sweden won over Kazakhstan 7-3. Gustav Nyqvist had a hat trick and an assist. A glorious display! 1 Jacksoni reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 There are a few flaws in your argument though. 1. Datsyuk was a primary scorer while Nyquist was a secondary scorer. So comparatively Datsyuk was just as bad (if not worse than Nyquist). 2. Nyquist's quality of teammates are worse than Datsyuk (who primarily played with Brett Hull and Henrik Zetterberg). Datsyuk also averaged about 3+ minutes more ice time in his 2nd seasons and beyond in the playoffs 3. Datsyuk's first good playoff year was after his first 41 playoff games. Nyquist has only played 35 playoff games. And then you're using hindsight bias to confirm that Datsyuk figured it out. Even though it took him a looooong time to figure it out. And at the time we were all saying exactly what we are saying of Nyquist. The narrative then for about 4 years in a row was "Pavel Datsyuk is not cut out for the playoffs". Easier to look back in hindsight tho.. But you aren't open to the idea that Nyquist might be a late bloomer as well? I mean sure he might not pan out... maybe Nyquist will never figure it out. But seeing as how Datsyuk took 41 games to figure out, and knowing Nyquist has played about 35 games so far, I think we can at least give Nyquist another 6+ games to see if he finds his mojo. But hey I'm open to the idea of trading Nyquist. Especially if it means getting someone who can score in the playoffs (Kyle Okoposo) I'm not ready to give up just yet on Nyquist either, but I think a couple of important points are being missed here: #1 - Datsyuk's first 37 playoff games were played before the first lockout in 2004/2005 - so it isn't a surprise that he struggled offensively, as the obstruction rules (which were producing historically low goal totals) had yet to change. His playoff numbers (like a lot of other skilled forwards) increased in 2005/2006 after the crackdown. For example, our Stanley Cup "greatest team ever" run in 2001-2002, saw Brendan Shanahan lead our team in scoring with only 75 points. #2 - 21 out of Datsyuk's first 37 playoff games came as a rookie in 2002. This was before the Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Hull line, and maybe before he even had powerplay time... To compare Nyquist's first 35 playoff games as a secondary scorer on a fringe playoff team who lose consistently in the first round, to Datsyuk as a secondary scorer on maybe "the greatest team ever" is a tough one for me, no matter how bad Pavel's point totals were. #3 - Ice time is also a difficult metric to use when comparing players who (A) play a different position and (B) play a different role. Datsyuk was the premier two-way center in the NHL for a long time - his shutdown/penalty killing ability didn't show up in the boxscore - but neither did the players he was out against, which certainly helped win us games. Unfortunately, if Nyquist doesn't produce offensively, he isn't doing much atall. 1 Jacksoni reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 I think we're back to pre lockout offense and penalty calling when it comes to obstruction though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Even if you entirely ignored his rookie season he still struggled until his 5th season in the NHL. In his rookie year he played with Brett Hull. He had PP time in the rookie season as well. 11 PP points in the season and 1 PP goal in playoffs. Edited May 11, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) I will also add that although there might not be a correlation. Between his early struggles and later production Datsyuk worked on his strength and conditioning and went from about 178 lbs to 195 lbs. Nyquist gets swatted like a fly. So maybe he should work on getting stronger so he can create his own space like D and Z learned to. The whole Tyler Johnson strategy doesn't work for everyone. Edited May 11, 2016 by kickazz 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 I think we're back to pre lockout offense and penalty calling when it comes to obstruction though. I feel like it's a combination of pre and post. They'll call every little thing against a team with a lead, and let a losing team get away with murder. It's how the league seems to manufacture its fake parity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 965 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 I will also add that although there might not be a correlation. Between his early struggles and later production Datsyuk worked on his strength and conditioning and went from about 178 lbs to 195 lbs. Nyquist gets swatted like a fly. So maybe he should work on getting stronger so he can create his own space like D and Z learned to. The whole Tyler Johnson strategy doesn't work for everyone. Datsyuk was probably the same size as Gus when he came in, and within a few seasons was pretty jacked. So here's hoping Gus follows suit, considering his age it seems less likely though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/05/11/detroit-red-wings-iihf-gustav-nyquist/84243418/ GusGus with a hat trick for Sweden. Back to back goals in the second, and a shortie in the third. Five goals and one assist for six points after four games. Apparently he don't love us this much?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 678 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 Apparently Kazakhstan is not as good as Tampa Bay. 10 marcaractac, puckloo39, PavelValerievichDatsyuk and 7 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 Apparently Kazakhstan is not as good as Tampa Bay. that's probably involved... yeah. LOL~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 Sarcasm aside Nyquist has looked really good in the WC so far. 2 amato and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 Hopefully this kind of success was just what Nyquist's mental state needed and he brings it with him next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Larkin with a beautiful goal in the USA 5-1 win over Hungary. Dead angle, aims at the back/side of the goalie on purpose to bounce it in. A fine display of awareness and skill. +3 rating as well. Edited May 13, 2016 by Jacksoni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 13, 2016 Great. Awesome. Go write about it in your Gustav Nyquist fan blog before you tuck yourself into bed under your Gustav Nyquist goose down comforter so you can have Gustav Nyquist dreams about Gustav Nyquist scoring 1 Gustav Nyquist point every 300 minutes of Gustav Nyquist playoff hockey. I don't care anymore. Lol someone doesn't take criticism well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted May 17, 2016 Russia bested Sweden 4-1 and was clearly faster and more skilled. Nyquist was -1 and played 16:45 minutes. A cordial display. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted May 17, 2016 Marchenko looking better every game , a +4 today against the Swedes. 1 Jacksoni reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Marchenko looking better every game , a +4 today against the Swedes. Knew I forgot something. Marchenko looked Really good. He was way more offensive than I have seen him be in the Wings system and can clearly play aggressively in the attacking zone. Looking forward to see him expand that next season, if he's still around which I hope he is. Also, Datsyuk with a goal and an assist. Edited May 17, 2016 by Jacksoni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted May 18, 2016 He was way more offensive than I have seen him be in the Wings system and can clearly play aggressively in the attacking zone. It seems everyone that gets out of that system improves offensively. It's a little irritating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 18, 2016 It seems everyone that gets out of that system improves offensively. It's a little irritating. Yeah but IIHF competition is relatively weak compared to NHL teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted May 18, 2016 Yeah but IIHF competition is relatively weak compared to NHL teams. With some exceptions. Team Russia easily matches or bests most NHL teams. Tre Kronor might even be too much for the 2015-2016 Red Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites