Targets for the Wings

[DickieDunn 2,571]

You won't give up assets to improve the team? Or you won't overpay if Anderson, or someone else, is available? Those are two different things. Also, by he "he's a bottom 6 player" argument, so is anyone you'd bring up. If an available player has more potential than someone like Bertuzzi or Frk, it makes sense to pay a reasonable price to get him.

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[krsmith17 7,191]

54 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

You won't give up assets to improve the team? Or you won't overpay if Anderson, or someone else, is available? Those are two different things. Also, by he "he's a bottom 6 player" argument, so is anyone you'd bring up. If an available player has more potential than someone like Bertuzzi or Frk, it makes sense to pay a reasonable price to get him.

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I will obviously give up assets to improve the team, I just don't believe trading for Anderson drastically improves our team. I don't want to overpay for a guy like Anderson. If we're overpaying it needs to be for a stud defenseman, not a winger that likely tops out as a middle 6 winger.

Reasonable price as in the price of Frk and a 3rd that you suggested that I agreed with? Absolutely.

[Buppy 1,720]

3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

... You can try to paint a picture all you want that I meant something I didn't. Whatever. But when I said "no thanks", it was because (for the umpteenth time) I'd prefer to fill the roster from within, because I believe we have guys as good or better within the organization, and I see no need in relinquishing assets on our biggest area of strength....

Yeah, I'm "painting a picture", but again you repeat what I originally inferred and you subsequently denied. (Or you're saying Nosek, Frk, and Callahan have top 6 potential.) And you wonder why I'm having a difficult time understanding your position.

But whatever. What would you consider overpayment?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

I will obviously give up assets to improve the team, I just don't believe trading for Anderson drastically improves our team. I don't want to overpay for a guy like Anderson. If we're overpaying it needs to be for a stud defenseman, not a winger that likely tops out as a middle 6 winger.

Reasonable price as in the price of Frk and a 3rd that you suggested that I agreed with? Absolutely.

It might not dramatically improve the team, but he could end up being a good 2nd liner.  Even if he's "just" a 3rd line winger, if he's better than what they have now it would be worth it depending on the price.  But you haven't been saying you don't want to overpay, you've been saying you don't want to give up assets and would rather fill the spots internally.  Other than Svechnikov, I don't have very high expectations for anyone in GR right now.  Bringing in someone with second line potential is a good move.  Obviously nobody is going to trade Svechnikov or a 2nd for Anderson or a similar player, but a lesser package? Hell yes.

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, Buppy said:

Yeah, I'm "painting a picture", but again you repeat what I originally inferred and you subsequently denied. (Or you're saying Nosek, Frk, and Callahan have top 6 potential.) And you wonder why I'm having a difficult time understanding your position.

But whatever. What would you consider overpayment?

I'd use Frk and Callahan as the extra forwards going into next season. So no, I don't see either of them as having more potential than Anderson. I can see Nosek putting up similar (or close to) numbers as Anderson. And like I've been saying, I'd rather give someone within the organization a shot, than "overpay" in a trade. Overpayment in my opinion would be Bertuzzi and 2nd or something similar. 

1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

It might not dramatically improve the team, but he could end up being a good 2nd liner.  Even if he's "just" a 3rd line winger, if he's better than what they have now it would be worth it depending on the price.  But you haven't been saying you don't want to overpay, you've been saying you don't want to give up assets and would rather fill the spots internally.  Other than Svechnikov, I don't have very high expectations for anyone in GR right now.  Bringing in someone with second line potential is a good move.  Obviously nobody is going to trade Svechnikov or a 2nd for Anderson or a similar player, but a lesser package? Hell yes.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I'd put Bertuzzi in that conversation as well. Sure we could make a trade to improve our bottom 6 if a deal falls in our lap. If Kekalainen calls and says "we're looking to trade Anderson, are you interested?" Of course you'd listen, but unless you can get him at a very reasonable price, I'd pass, and hold onto the assets to go after the bigger fish.

Same goes for if a bottom three defenseman becomes available. I'd prefer to fill from within and hold onto the assets for higher end players.

[Dabura 12,232]

5 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

I have seen that Svechnikov is listed on next year's Wings roster by Elite prospects ?! Do they know something we don't ? 

It's safe to say he'll become a full-time Red Wing at some point next season.

[Dabura 12,232]

Josh Anderson is intriguing.

I'd like to see us aggressively pursue Jaccob Slavin. I like him enough that if Ron Francis were to ask for Nyquist/Tatar/Athanasiou straight up, I'd seriously consider it.

[krsmith17 7,191]

55 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Josh Anderson is intriguing.

I'd like to see us aggressively pursue Jaccob Slavin. I like him enough that if Ron Francis were to ask for Nyquist/Tatar/Athanasiou straight up, I'd seriously consider it.

I like Slavin a lot, and I've mentioned going after him or Pesce in the past. I'd give up one of Nyquist or Tatar for Slavin without thinking twice. Carolina have a glut of high end defensemen in their system. Fleury or Bean would be great options as well.

[Dabura 12,232]

14 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I like Slavin a lot, and I've mentioned going after him or Pesce in the past. I'd give up one of Nyquist or Tatar for Slavin without thinking twice. Carolina have a glut of high end defensemen in their system. Fleury or Bean would be great options as well.

Bean, Slavin, Pesce, Fleury, Hanifin...you'd think we'd be able to land one of them for a reasonable price.

I guess if there's an obstacle (assuming the Ilitch-Karmanos rivalry is no longer a thing), it'd be that the 'canes are looking for a proven top-six centerman.

Also, if we're being objective, I'm not sure Slavin is a true busdriver. The 'canes under Bill Peters are a very good possession team, and that's largely because of Justin Faulk. The Wings under Jeff Blashill are a poor possession team and that's largely because we don't have a Justin Faulk. It's entirely possible a top pairing of Slavin-Green would fare about as well as DeKeyser-Green fared this season.

mehhhhh. The Wings' suckage has sucked the fun out of rosterbation. This is Hell.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Dabura

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, Dabura said:

Bean, Slavin, Pesce, Fleury, Hanifin...you'd think we'd be able to land one of them for a reasonable price.

I guess if there's an obstacle (assuming the Ilitch-Karmanos rivalry is no longer a thing), it'd be that the 'canes are looking for a proven top-six centerman.

Also, if we're being objective, I'm not sure Slavin is a true busdriver. The 'canes under Bill Peters are a very good possession team, and that's largely because of Justin Faulk. The Wings under Jeff Blashill are a poor possession team and that's largely because we don't have a Justin Faulk. It's entirely possible a top pairing of Slavin-Green would fare about as well as DeKeyser-Green fared this season.

mehhhhh. The Wings' suckage has sucked the fun out of rosterbation. This is Hell.

Yeah, Faulk is amazing. Another 2nd round steal. You say they're looking for centers? Sheahan for Faulk straight up. It's a steal for Carolina really. I mean, we're basically trading our 2010 1st round pick for their 2010 2nd round pick...

Back to reality... Yeah, I would think any of those first 4 you mentioned should be able to be had for the right price. I think both Hanifin and Faulk would be on their "untouchable list" though...

Bean would be my target of the 4, but for the same reason, he may be the hardest to convince the Caines to trade. Bean would instantly become our top prospect, and legit shot at being a number one defenseman in couple years. If we added Bean via trade and Glass (if available) in this year's draft, I think we would be in pretty good shape going forward.

[Buppy 1,720]

It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to move Faulk, though unfortunately I think they'd want a return higher than we can pay. Either a top center or a package of high pick + top prospect + something else. 

I read somewhere that some consider Bean ahead of Fluery already. Could mean Fluery is ripe for the picking, or maybe with all of Hanifin, Bean, and Fluery on the left they try to cash in on Slavin's breakout year. 

They have an abundance of middling forwards though, so I'm not sure we're a good trade fit.

 

[Andy Pred 48 337]

The Anaheim Ducks and assistant coach Paul MacLean agreed to mutually part ways after two seasons. Have we filled the assistant coaches position yet?

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Wasn't aware we were replacing them. But would like to have Scott Stevens as an assistant.

[Dabura 12,232]

17 hours ago, Buppy said:

It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to move Faulk, though unfortunately I think they'd want a return higher than we can pay. Either a top center or a package of high pick + top prospect + something else.

I read somewhere that some consider Bean ahead of Fluery already. Could mean Fluery is ripe for the picking, or maybe with all of Hanifin, Bean, and Fluery on the left they try to cash in on Slavin's breakout year. 

They have an abundance of middling forwards though, so I'm not sure we're a good trade fit.

Assuming no 'canes defenseman takes a quantum leap forward next season, it would surprise me if Francis actively tried to move Faulk. Legit 1D, 25 years old, $4.83M cap hit for the next three years...that's the stuff of wet dreams. The 'canes do have a wealth of very promising young defensemen, but, at the same time, an NHL team is only as deep as its top players allow it to be (IMO).

[LeftWinger 5,152]

What about this guy?

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/06/league-interest-raddysh.html

[DickieDunn 2,571]

By all means throw a contract his way, but he sounds kind of like Sproul his last year in juniors.

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[Andy Pred 48 337]

I started a thread on him a few weeks ago and it met a Luke warm reception. 

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Anyone you'd be willing to acquire? What cost?

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-nhl-trade-bait-vegas-golden-knights-expansion-draft/2017/06/03/

[BadgerBob 297]

On 6/4/2017 at 10:34 AM, LeftWinger said:

Anyone you'd be willing to acquire? What cost?

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-nhl-trade-bait-vegas-golden-knights-expansion-draft/2017/06/03/

Vatanen, Duchene, Barrie, Jenner, Sustr, Drouin, MacKinnon. No way we can get any of them but that would be real nice. That Jarnkrok kid out of Nashville looks good.

[Buppy 1,720]

Vatanen would be interesting. Coming off a down year, plus being injured, maybe he could be had relatively cheap. Doesn't solve our defense problems of course, but could be part of the solution at least.

Dumba/Brodin and Hamonic I'd put in with Trouba and Fowler. It'd be great but I don't want to give up a 1st or our top prospects unless it's for a true star. Barrie is on the same level (probably better than all of them in fact), but I don't think the Avs will move him, despite the persistent rumors.

Nathan Beaulieu could be interesting. Younger guy with decent production and further potential. Probably come cheap if Habs are really trying to move him. 

Not really interested in any of the forwards, since the good ones would likely cost more than they'd be worth. Really doubt Jackets trade Jenner.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, BadgerBob said:

Vatanen, Duchene, Barrie, Jenner, Sustr, Drouin, MacKinnon. No way we can get any of them but that would be real nice. That Jarnkrok kid out of Nashville looks good.

I mean, is another 3rd line center really what we need?

[BadgerBob 297]

10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I mean, is another 3rd line center really what we need?

What do you mean? He's Nashville's #1 right now! I guess my sarcasm was poorly translated when I added that in there, just a joke.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Ya well, remember, most people believe that Z is still a #1 center in this league.  When in reality, because we have no better choices or because Blashill has no clue how to ice a team, he is forced to be our #1 guy still.  When in reality he would be a great #3.  His body would thank you for it.  He is a warrior and most definitely did a great job last year in trying to get this team into the playoffs, but he cannot be expected to continue that.  We do need a center to be top 6, if not #1.  Jarnkrok (yes, most of us saw the sarcasm) if he was reacquired, would be a nice addition back to the team.  But, I think CRL#9 was also being a bit sarcastic, because if we acquired Jarnkrok, Balshill would have him playing bottom 6, because, well, Blashill...

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Ya well, remember, most people believe that Z is still a #1 center in this league.  When in reality, because we have no better choices or because Blashill has no clue how to ice a team, he is forced to be our #1 guy still.  When in reality he would be a great #3.  His body would thank you for it.  He is a warrior and most definitely did a great job last year in trying to get this team into the playoffs, but he cannot be expected to continue that.  We do need a center to be top 6, if not #1.  Jarnkrok (yes, most of us saw the sarcasm) if he was reacquired, would be a nice addition back to the team.  But, I think CRL#9 was also being a bit sarcastic, because if we acquired Jarnkrok, Balshill would have him playing bottom 6, because, well, Blashill...

Seriously? You think Zetterberg should be our number 3 center? After the season he just had, ranking 11th in the league in points? Zetterberg proved, not that he can just keep up, but that he's still an elite level player. He's putting up great numbers, while still being one of the better two-way centers in the game. Z is still far and away our best center (and our best player), and he will be our top center until he inevitably slows down. Maybe that's this year, maybe next year, but until then, he is our best option down the middle, and it's not even close.

Edited June 6, 2017 by krsmith17

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Zetterberg is one of those European style players, shouldn't be a top 6 guy.

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