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On 2/18/2019 at 8:03 AM, AtlantaHotWings said:

You all noticed yesterday that a vet was sat in favor of a rookie...

From here....https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2019/02/red-wings-anthony-mantha-answered-bell-in-fight-excelled-in-loss.html important points bolded well at least in my opinion. 

"Ericsson scratched

Jonathan Ericsson was a healthy scratch to make room for Filip Hronek, up for his third stint with the Red Wings. Hronek logged 14:18 (no points, one shot, minus-1) and apparently will remain in the lineup

“I thought he was good tonight,” Blashill said. “I like Fil. We sent Fil down earlier in the year, he didn’t have a great camp, needed to get better at things. I think he’s gotten better. We sent him down again, my message to him was be the best player on the ice in the American League, stand out, look like you should be in the NHL, and I think he did that to a large degree after he stopped yelling at refs.

“He’s strong, he seals, he creates stalls in the D-zone, he can create offense.”

Blashill wasn’t happy with his defense in Saturday’s game and explained why Ericsson was the odd-man out.

“He was, for me, the worst of the six (defensemen) last night,” Blashill said. “He struggled. I think he knew that.""

Hello buyout ...lol 

Welcome to the party Blashill. 

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

My buddy is saying deal is in place with Winnepeg.  

 

Nyquist + Jensen 

For

2019 1st and 2020 2nd

 

Just waiting on Winnepeg.

Does that include a gentlemans agreement on us trading that 1st back for a signed Trouba in the offseadon?

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On 2/19/2019 at 5:07 PM, AtlantaHotWings said:

LOL good point maybe it was simply seeing it in print was the shocker...?

 

On 2/20/2019 at 4:12 AM, kylee said:

Just think...Ericsson has made a career with us for 10 years being a bottom pair boneheaded slow defenseman..

To be fair, I think people have been way to hard on E over the years. He was a 9th round draft pick, last overall (the draft is only 7 rounds now). We shouldn't have had any expectations about him playing in the NHL at all, let being alone a 10 year regular. He has beyond exceeded any reasonable expectations and has accomplished something many other Wings picks havent, playing in the NHL. At least E made it. Literally every other Wings draft pick since Ericcson has been picked higher, and most never made it at all. We've had 1st and 2nd rounders who couldn't match E's accomplishments. Why aren't they whipping boys? Why arent the guys who should have made it and didn't the butt of jokes? Better to cough up pucks in the NHL than never be there at all.

Instead we crap on the guy who we should in fact be praising. The one who, against significant odds, acheived his dream.

 

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4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

 

To be fair, I think people have been way to hard on E over the years. He was a 9th round draft pick, last overall (the draft is only 7 rounds now). We shouldn't have had any expectations about him playing in the NHL at all, let being alone a 10 year regular. He has beyond exceeded any reasonable expectations and has accomplished something many other Wings picks havent, playing in the NHL. At least E made it. Literally every other Wings draft pick since Ericcson has been picked higher, and most never made it at all. We've had 1st and 2nd rounders who couldn't match E's accomplishments. Why aren't they whipping boys? Why arent the guys who should have made it and didn't the butt of jokes? Better to cough up pucks in the NHL than never be there at all.

Instead we crap on the guy who we should in fact be praising. The one who, against significant odds, acheived his dream.

 

The fact that his career has been better than one could reasonably expect doesn't mean that he still needs to be on the team, or that we should all tip our hats to his ability to exceed expectations.  Another way of looking at it might be, why did a 9th round pick play on your blue line for 10 years when such a thing as free agency exists?

Congrats on a quality career Big E, now please, PLEASE, go the f*** away. 

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7 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

The fact that his career has been better than one could reasonably expect doesn't mean that he still needs to be on the team, or that we should all tip our hats to his ability to exceed expectations.  Another way of looking at it might be, why did a 9th round pick play on your blue line for 10 years when such a thing as free agency exists?

Congrats on a quality career Big E, now please, PLEASE, go the f*** away. 

So he doesn't deserve a measure of praise and respect? Do you really think he deserves all of the hate he gets? I don't.

People wanna complain everytime he makes a mistake despite the fact he's a 4/5 dman playing above his skill set every night. There are guys since E that merit much more disgust that get a pass because they aren't here, they're irrelevant. Cant hate on those guys because they're forgotten. But E is convenient. He's on the team. He's on the ice. He's visible, so let's overreact at every gaffe. Let's put this teams accumulative suckage on one guy. Yep. That's completely fair and rational.

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12 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So he doesn't deserve a measure of praise and respect? Do you really think he deserves all of the hate he gets? I don't.

People wanna complain everytime he makes a mistake despite the fact he's a 4/5 dman playing above his skill set every night. There are guys since E that merit much more disgust that get a pass because they aren't here, they're irrelevant. Cant hate on those guys because they're forgotten. But E is convenient. He's on the team. He's on the ice. He's visible, so let's overreact at every gaffe. Let's put this teams accumulative suckage on one guy. Yep. That's completely fair and rational.

Lol. Wait, are you saying I should criticize guys who AREN'T on the team more than the guy who IS?  Alright man, you win.  The next time Ericsson turns the puck over in the defensive zone I'll be sure to blame Brendan Smith.  In your world that will be "fair and rational". 

Also, nobody "hates" Ericsson.  They think he sucks. And he does suck, so what's the problem?  If you were the GM of this team would you let Jonathan Ericsson play on your blueline for 10 years? Other than Witkowski, Ericsson is DEFINITELY the worst defenseman on this team. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So he doesn't deserve a measure of praise and respect? Do you really think he deserves all of the hate he gets? I don't.

People wanna complain everytime he makes a mistake despite the fact he's a 4/5 dman playing above his skill set every night. There are guys since E that merit much more disgust that get a pass because they aren't here, they're irrelevant. Cant hate on those guys because they're forgotten. But E is convenient. He's on the team. He's on the ice. He's visible, so let's overreact at every gaffe. Let's put this teams accumulative suckage on one guy. Yep. That's completely fair and rational.

It's 2019 not 2015. The debate you're trying to bring up has long been settled. Yes there were those that irrationally shat on the guy for years. But the truth is that he just sucks and it's time to move on. Had a great year in 2013 and declined badly. Even the anti-hate Ericsson crowd (like myself) agree that he hasn't been cutting it for a long time and is an overpaid player. That much was made obvious and definitive around 2016-ish. To the point where Jeff Blashill has scratched him. 

 

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:
  • Lol. Wait, are you saying I should criticize guys who AREN'T on the team more than the guy who IS?  Alright man, you win.  The next time Ericsson turns the puck over in the defensive zone I'll be sure to blame Brendan Smith.  In your world that will be "fair and rational". 

Also, nobody "hates" Ericsson.  They think he sucks. And he does suck, so what's the problem?  If you were the GM of this team would you let Jonathan Ericsson play on your blueline for 10 years? Other than Witkowski, Ericsson is DEFINITELY the worst defenseman on this team. 

 

No. Just that there way bigger disappointments.

No, it wouldn't. Blame Smith for Smith's mistakes, E for E's, but don't over-exaggerate them.

He doesn't suck. He looked just fine when he had a better D corp around him. He was able to play a secondary role more appropriate to his abilities. Now he's forced to do too much. If he is really as bad as people make him out to be, he never would have been signed to that contract in the first place. Unless of course Holland is as dumb as people think he is (he isn't).

A better GM than I would ever be did.

Who said otherwise? Not me.

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

It's 2019 not 2015. The debate you're trying to bring up has long been settled. Yes there were those that irrationally shat on the guy for years. But the truth is that he just sucks and it's time to move on. Had a great year in 2013 and declined badly. Even the anti-hate Ericsson crowd (like myself) agree that he hasn't been cutting it for a long time and is an overpaid player. That much was made obvious and definitive around 2016-ish. To the point where Jeff Blashill has scratched him. 

 

 

Disagree with the bold. Agree with the underlined.

2nd bold: Never said otherwise. Over his head? Yep. Overpaid for what he brings? Yep. Deserving all of the crap he gets from "fans"? Nope.

If he wasn't being paid 4.25 mil but instead being paid a fraction of that and being used as a depth defenseman, I don't think anyone would be complaining. Oh, wait, they'd still be complaining... that he's still breathing.

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28 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

 

Disagree with the bold. Agree with the underlined.

2nd bold: Never said otherwise. Over his head? Yep. Overpaid for what he brings? Yep. Deserving all of the crap he gets from "fans"? Nope.

If he wasn't being paid 4.25 mil but instead being paid a fraction of that and being used as a depth defenseman, I don't think anyone would be complaining. Oh, wait, they'd still be complaining... that he's still breathing.

I think overexaggerating the hate. Maybe it was true a few years ago, but this topic seems out of date today. 

People have long called for Ericsson to be benched or traded. His visible gaffes cost us a lot of goals and the same applies to Brenden Smith. And we know what ended up happening to that guy. Fans may not understand the game through the perspective of a GM or coach all that well, but they certainly can see a player that isn't good and should have been traded years ago. Instead he's still here. At least with Smith we weren't handicapped with a bad contract so Holland traded him while he still could. Got a nice return for Smith and he ended up proving to suck. 

Ericsson would likely have ended up the same way had we traded him during the window of opportunity 2-3 years ago. Instead he has a roster spot on a team that has had terrible defensive depth for years. 

 

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