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2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Typical Hockeyfeed fluff piece. Not reputable. 

You should probably lead with this next time, and not:

34 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Rangers in the market for a goalie apparently, with the King no longer the King, and Pavelec being, well, Pavelec.

Possible options are Hammond and...Mrazek? I dunno how much faith I put into these rumours. They’re usually fluff pieces. But why would Holland move Mrazek now, just as he has seemed to have found his game again? Too early to consider that move imo. 

It looks like you're trying to pass off baseless speculation as an actual reputable rumor

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They actually have $3.1M in cap space they can use according to capfriendly, so actually if they really wanted Mrazek, they could strike a deal that sends us Pavelec ($1.3M) for Petr. We'd gain cap space and they would still be under by $400k. Howard would be the for sure #1 here then and Pavelec is a fine back-up, especially for a tank job. Plus Holland would have taken care of his (or the new GM's) goalie issue next season.

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4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You should probably lead with this next time, and not:

It looks like you're trying to pass off baseless speculation as an actual reputable rumor

Yeah I had meant to post that link first but my phone went all f***ed. 

Delete and disregard. Lol

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1 minute ago, LeftWinger said:

They actually have $3.1M in cap space they can use according to capfriendly, so actually if they really wanted Mrazek, they could strike a deal that sends us Pavelec ($1.3M) for Petr. We'd gain cap space and they would still be under by $400k. Howard would be the for sure #1 here then and Pavelec is a fine back-up, especially for a tank job.

Yeah, but then they're frked in June when Mraz will demand money again and they still have a $9 million dollar Henrik on the books. It would be a costly upgrade just to have a better back up. Not gonna happen.

They signed Pavelec because they didn't have a an inexpensive piece to promote within the system. So they went with the most inexpensive guy they could find, hoping he would rebound. Trading for Mraz would be a complete 180 in strategy from the Rags. Have they really lost that much faith in Lundqvist after only a month? I highly doubt it.

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1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah, but then they're frked in June when Mraz will demand money again and they still have a $9 million dollar Henrik on the books. It would be a costly upgrade just to have a better back up. Not gonna happen.

They signed Pavelec because they didn't have a an inexpensive piece to promote within the system. So they went with the most inexpensive guy they could find, hoping he would rebound. Trading for Mraz would be a complete 180 in strategy from the Rags. Have they really lost that much faith in Lundqvist after only a month? I highly doubt it.

True, but you know that magic December benchmark that all teams go by, its coming.  If Henrik is still struggling a bit come December, they may just be desperate enough to shore it up and take on a Mrazek. They'll just deal with the off season when it comes. Besides, they have $23M in cap next season, and more than likely will not try to re-sign Nash...although they may throw their hat in the JT ring.

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19 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

They actually have $3.1M in cap space they can use according to capfriendly, so actually if they really wanted Mrazek, they could strike a deal that sends us Pavelec ($1.3M) for Petr. We'd gain cap space and they would still be under by $400k. Howard would be the for sure #1 here then and Pavelec is a fine back-up, especially for a tank job. Plus Holland would have taken care of his (or the new GM's) goalie issue next season.

Taking on Pavelec in any situation, just no. He’s finished. As if he makes over a million. Lol

Howard/Pavelec..scary.

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1 minute ago, LeftWinger said:

True, but you know that magic December benchmark that all teams go by, its coming.  If Henrik is still struggling a bit come December, they may just be desperate enough to shore it up and take on a Mrazek. They'll just deal with the off season when it comes. Besides, they have $23M in cap next season, and more than likely will not try to re-sign Nash...although they may throw their hat in the JT ring.

When your $80,000 Dodge Ram goes into the shop for a week, do you turn around and spend $15,000 on a new Ford Focus to get to work that week?

It's just so impractical on both Detroit and New Yorks end, there's about 0% chance of it happening.

Let's get to the heart of the matter, you want to move a Detroit goalie to free up space for the summer. That's fine and good, but this particular way of doing it just isn't feasible. 

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39 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

When your $80,000 Dodge Ram goes into the shop for a week, do you turn around and spend $15,000 on a new Ford Focus to get to work that week?

It's just so impractical on both Detroit and New Yorks end, there's about 0% chance of it happening.

Let's get to the heart of the matter, you want to move a Detroit goalie to free up space for the summer. That's fine and good, but this particular way of doing it just isn't feasible. 

Yes, I do want to move salary for the summer, but just so you know, I didn't bring up this rumor, nor did I suggest it was going to happen, but since is was brought up I was only presenting ways and reasons why it could happen.

BTW, if my Ram did go into the shop, I would look to rent a vehicle for the duration and then get rid of it if the Ram was fixable. So using that analogy, Mrazek could be the rental and then when HEnrik is fixed they could trade him instead of re-signing him. If Henrik never got fixed then they could buy Mrazek.  Again, not my idea, but just contributing to the discussion about the "rumor."

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2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Yes, I do want to move salary for the summer, but just so you know, I didn't bring up this rumor, nor did I suggest it was going to happen, but since is was brought up I was only presenting ways and reasons why it could happen.

BTW, if my Ram did go into the shop, I would look to rent a vehicle for the duration and then get rid of it if the Ram was fixable. So using that analogy, Mrazek could be the rental and then when HEnrik is fixed they could trade him instead of re-signing him. If Henrik never got fixed then they could buy Mrazek.  Again, not my idea, but just contributing to the discussion about the "rumor."

Your point is well taken. It could happen. I could also win the lottery tomorrow and buy the Arizona Coyotes.

This is directed, not just at you, but the entire board.

Just because something could happen, doesn't mean we need to have lengthy discussion about it.

Sure we could buyout Ericsson, but we all know that there is 0% chance it will happen, so why bring it up all. the. damn. time.? It's annoying. Ericsson could also become a late bloomer at the age of 33 and suddenly become top pairing D-man. But the chances of that are so slim, we can all agree it's dumb to even bring it up. I mean I could parade around the board talking about trading for Ovechkin... technically it could happen right?

Chaps, who posted "the rumor", already agreed with me that it's baseless and from a non reputable source. Yet, we are going back n forth on it still... this is why the board has rules for providing sources with claims. To prevent needless discussion over "fake news".

I mean, what do you think the chances are Mrazek is dealt to the Rangers for Ondrej Pavelec? 1%? 2%? 10%? 50%?

 

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17 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Your point is well taken. It could happen. I could also win the lottery tomorrow and buy the Arizona Coyotes.

This is directed, not just at you, but the entire board.

Just because something could happen, doesn't mean we need to have lengthy discussion about it.

Sure we could buyout Ericsson, but we all know that there is 0% chance it will happen, so why bring it up all. the. damn. time.? It's annoying. Ericsson could also become a late bloomer at the age of 33 and suddenly become top pairing D-man. But the chances of that are so slim, we can all agree it's dumb to even bring it up. I mean I could parade around the board talking about trading for Ovechkin... technically it could happen right?

Chaps, who posted "the rumor", already agreed with me that it's baseless and from a non reputable source. Yet, we are going back n forth on it still... this is why the board has rules for providing sources with claims. To prevent needless discussion over "fake news".

I mean, what do you think the chances are Mrazek is dealt to the Rangers for Ondrej Pavelec? 1%? 2%? 10%? 50%?

Seriously though, we should discuss buying out Ericsson. I'm kind of curious what peoples thoughts are on the possibility of Holland pulling the trigger...

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17 minutes ago, Dabura said:

EFF YOUR RULES, MAN

 

15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Seriously though, we should discuss buying out Ericsson. I'm kind of curious what peoples thoughts are on the possibility of Holland pulling the trigger...

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59 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Your point is well taken. It could happen. I could also win the lottery tomorrow and buy the Arizona Coyotes.

 

 

Dude - you should re-locate the Yotes to Seattle.....Oh wait - you didn't win the lottery - did you?

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1 minute ago, F.Michael said:

Dude - you should re-locate the Yotes to Seattle.....Oh wait - you didn't win the lottery - did you?

I worked this out in my head a few years ago. I don't think there would be enough leftover to move the team. Still worth the purchase though. I would be the worst owner ever. I'd cut my whole operations staff day 1 and offer those jobs to anyone who wants one at LGW.

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17 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Seriously though, we should discuss buying out Ericsson. I'm kind of curious what peoples thoughts are on the possibility of Holland pulling the trigger...

It will only happen if Kenny needs that 2.8 million in savings for the next two years to sign players.

I believe Ericsson will finish off that contract and will probably be re-signed for a year or two for at least 750k to 1 million more than he should be offered. 

(I wish the last part of that sentence was sarcasm, but... LOL HOLLAND LOL)

 

 

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Custance on Ericsson:

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Well, for one, Jonathan Ericsson’s owed $4.25 million through 2019-20, and that's not an easy contract to get out of.  My sense is that GM Ken Holland believes that’s a somewhat reasonable rate for a veteran defenseman who can play on the bottom pair. He’s still a guy earning over 19 minutes per game right now under Jeff Blashill and the Red Wings see value in having a defenseman who has size and strength and gives the opposition something to think about physically. When you look at the makeup of some of the other defensemen on the roster, they don’t necessarily bring that to the table. That’s the thought process, at least.

If it were up to me, I’d have six great-skating, offensive defensemen and try to win a track meet. Those defensemen don’t grow on trees though, and the Red Wings still believe you need more balance on defense. But mostly it's the contract. That's not an easy one to move.

 

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2 hours ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

Ericsson gives the opposition something to think about physically? Since when?

I think he means, "I'm going to have to physically go around this large pylon to get the puck. Oh wait no he just passed it to me, what a moron"

 

He thought about physically going near or around Ericsson in exhibit A

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I mostly agree with Custance on his thoughts on Ericsson. Most DRW fans treat E like he's completely useless and should be bought out. Which is completely exaggerated.

If we had a good top3 (like Lidstrom/Raflaski/PrimeKronwall good) and Ericsson was a fourth spot, he'd be ok, and would probably even look great in bottom pairing role on that team. But that is skill-wise, the bigger issue is his contract.

Imagine if Ericsson was capped at $2million. At $2 million or less I'd be thrilled with the guy. And even at $3 million I could probably make an argument that he's worth that. But at $4.25 I won't.

The real problem is we've failed to draft any top4 Dmen in almost 20 years. So for a team that relies more heavily on the draft than others, this naturally leads to worse Dmen being promoted through the system due to lack of competition.

Remember, in a span of 2 seasons... Holland lost the top HALF of his defense, in Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Stuart, to forces outside of his control. Ericsson was still young, and there was no way they were going to let another Dman go.

Ericsson is a defensive mind, with size. Something that almost no one else brings to the table on our team. At the time of his payday we were hemorrhaging good Dmen. He capitalized on the unique position he found himself in.

Should he be bought out? No. That's reserved for players that are completely useless or overpaid by huge sums. He's still serviceable even if he's overpaid by a few million.

So I believe Custance is on point.... Team in need of Dmen overpaid a Dman... supply n demand, this is what happens, now we have to deal with it. Sometimes it's better to get something for your $4.25 for the next 2years, than pay $1.5 for the next four and get nothing.

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I mostly agree with Custance on his thoughts on Ericsson. Most DRW fans treat E like he's completely useless and should be bought out. Which is completely exaggerated.

If we had a good top3 (like Lidstrom/Raflaski/PrimeKronwall good) and Ericsson was a fourth spot, he'd be ok, and would probably even look great in bottom pairing role on that team. But that is skill-wise, the bigger issue is his contract.

Imagine if Ericsson was capped at $2million. At $2 million or less I'd be thrilled with the guy. And even at $3 million I could probably make an argument that he's worth that. But at $4.25 I won't.

The real problem is we've failed to draft any top4 Dmen in almost 20 years. So for a team that relies more heavily on the draft than others, this naturally leads to worse Dmen being promoted through the system due to lack of competition.

Remember, in a span of 2 seasons... Holland lost the top HALF of his defense, in Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Stuart, to forces outside of his control. Ericsson was still young, and there was no way they were going to let another Dman go.

Ericsson is a defensive mind, with size. Something that almost no one else brings to the table on our team. At the time of his payday we were hemorrhaging good Dmen. He capitalized on the unique position he found himself in.

Should he be bought out? No. That's reserved for players that are completely useless or overpaid by huge sums. He's still serviceable even if he's overpaid by a few million.

So I believe Custance is on point.... Team in need of Dmen overpaid a Dman... supply n demand, this is what happens, now we have to deal with it. Sometimes it's better to get something for your $4.25 for the next 2years, than pay $1.5 for the next four and get nothing.

I completely agree. The same can be said / will likely be the case for DeKeyser. Good bottom 4 defenseman, that is expected to play above his ability. Which is the reality when you have a very weak defense corps. I think Ericsson as a 4/5 defenseman at $2-2.5M, and DeKeyser as a 3/4 defenseman at $3.5-4M would be two reasonable contracts. This is exactly why I've said countless times, and still maintain that Ericsson should be traded. I know it will never happen with Holland as GM, but there would be interest around the league for a veteran, bottom pair defenseman like E, at $2.25M ($2M retained). Whatever, it's never going to happen, but Ericsson should NOT be bought out.

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Totally agree. He had his flaws for sure, but unless we need the cap space in a hurry, why buy big-rig out? As a 4/5/6 dman he's passable to good depending on the role. Sure, if Sproul, Marchenko and Oulett has become the players we hoped, but right now there is no one in the farm team good enough to usurp E's role as a defensive d-man. It's a shame his injuries have ruined his passing and made him even less physical, but while we all would love to see Hicketts somehow make an NHL career, it's not going to be as a #4/5 defensive specialist dealing with the net front.

 

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9 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I mostly agree with Custance on his thoughts on Ericsson. Most DRW fans treat E like he's completely useless and should be bought out. Which is completely exaggerated.

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So I believe Custance is on point.... Team in need of Dmen overpaid a Dman... supply n demand, this is what happens, now we have to deal with it. Sometimes it's better to get something for your $4.25 for the next 2years, than pay $1.5 for the next four and get nothing.

Actually, E's "payday" was two years after we lost Lidstrom. While he is much better than fans give him credit for, I doubt it would have hurt to let him walk. Water under the bridge though; E isn't the reason we don't have better defensemen.

Buyouts should be used to free up cap space for something better, and should only be used when the alternatives are worse. Buying out E could be a good option, depending on what we could do with the savings. More likely though all we could do is sign Green or Jack Johnson. and probably to a deal that hurts us even more long term. 

5 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I completely agree. The same can be said / will likely be the case for DeKeyser. Good bottom 4 defenseman, that is expected to play above his ability. Which is the reality when you have a very weak defense corps. I think Ericsson as a 4/5 defenseman at $2-2.5M, and DeKeyser as a 3/4 defenseman at $3.5-4M would be two reasonable contracts. This is exactly why I've said countless times, and still maintain that Ericsson should be traded. I know it will never happen with Holland as GM, but there would be interest around the league for a veteran, bottom pair defenseman like E, at $2.25M ($2M retained). Whatever, it's never going to happen, but Ericsson should NOT be bought out.

I think very few teams, if any, would be interested in E even at $2.25M with two years left. Very few, if any, recent examples of similar defensemen being traded with term. Significant injury history, plus a known chronic hip condition. I can't see it happening without paying a team to take him, or taking back something just as bad. The former could be worse than a buyout, and the latter makes it all pointless. 

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