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2 hours ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

Never heard of that anywhere. Please provide a link if you have it. I'd be interested.

If anything, Bedard would have being more likely the one trying to change his style. Bedard helped Howard and Ozzy's more safe positioning style. Bedard was let go just as Mrazek was named the starter. All the discussion I saw was that Mrazek was close with Salajko and this hiring was a further commitment to Mrazek.

There were articles to this effect at the time: 

Title: New Goalie coach Jeff Salajko has bond with Petr Mrazek

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/05/21/detroit-red-wings-goaltender-coach-jeff-salajko-petr-mrazek/84714326/

“Petr and I clicked right away,” Salajko said. “I enjoy coaching him.”

And he makes direct comments to contradict you saying he was trying to change Mrazek:

“It’s really not reinventing Petr’s game — it’s more of a fine tuning. Petr makes a lot of highlight reel saves.”

https://www.therecord.com/sports-story/6693155-kitchener-native-salajko-joins-red-wings-as-goalie-coach/

"One of my strengths has been my relationship with the guys and the trust," he said. 

PVD, Im chaps and don't feel that i need to provide a source, the info is "pretty well known"

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On 2018-02-22 at 1:37 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

PVD, Im chaps and don't feel that i need to provide a source, the info is "pretty well known"

I looked for a bit but couldn’t find it. Only bits about trying to change parts of his game, which he had a hard time with and didn’t respond too well to attitude wise.

Othef tning I came across was that he really wasnt happy that Holland couldn’t/wouldn’t  trade Howard, and pretty much told him so. Howard’s contract sucks, but he wasn’t willing to budge on not retaining salary. Of course he would have had to retain salary on that contract to move it. No other way. He could have got it done. Can’t fault Mrazek for being a bit pissed that the starter he supposedly replaced was still around cause Holand sucks at the cap. I remember the Hasek/Joseph thing was tense to say the least. How she goes.

But anyways, it’s all in the past.  Mrazek is gone and he’s happy. Won his first start as a Flyer, allowing one goal. 4 more wins and a playoff berth and the Wings get their third.

This is pure speculation, but some Flyers fans are saying they think Hextall will cut him off after 4 wins before the playoffs to make the fourth stick. Even if he makes the playoffs, but only wins 4 games, pick stays as is. I’m sure they won’t pull that s*** though.

 Resigning might happen though ,if they like him and the Wings get the other third. Neuvirth is always injured, Hextall is fed up, and they may be finished with him and go forward with Elliott and Mrazek instead. 

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32 minutes ago, Juklitz said:

So they´re cool with renting a player for four games for 4th pick? Trololo...

 

Well, he won’t win every game he plays, or play every game. He is their starter at this point, but Lyon will get to play as well.

 But ya, Flyers fans trolling on that one. Also saying when Elliott is ready they’ll rotate goalies in the playoffs somehow so Mrazek doesn’t hit the 8 win mark if/when they make the ECF so the third is all they have to hand over. Which is pretty much the highest pick Detroit will get out of it anyways I figure. 

Theyre trolling. But they sure do seem happy and think Mrazek was a steal because he was heating up and due to their current prospect pool and pile of upcoming draft picks. A third rounder is nothing.

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22 minutes ago, Juklitz said:

At least we can see Red Wings pads in PO. 

 

This is strange, ok.. 

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Yes it is, but it is what it is. I hate the trade because he was still the best NHL ready goalie in the Wings system, despite the haters, but I like the fact he gets a fresh start somewhere he’s actually wanted where they’re glad to have him come in. Gets to play behind a team that can actually defend and block shots and help out their goalies. Plus playoffs are cool.

Looking forward to seeing his new painted mask and gear.

 

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Petr Mrazek to the conference finals.  God, Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Buddah, Shiva/Vishnu, , Ahura Mazda, Confucius, Harambe, Trump and any other diety I may have missed, please make it happen. 

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7 hours ago, chaps80 said:

I looked for a bit but couldn’t find it. Only bits about trying to change parts of his game, which he had a hard time with and didn’t respond too well to attitude wise.

Othef tning I came across was that he really wasnt happy that Holland couldn’t/wouldn’t  trade Howard, and pretty much told him so. Howard’s contract sucks, but he wasn’t willing to budge on not retaining salary. Of course he would have had to retain salary on that contract to move it. No other way. He could have got it done. Can’t fault Mrazek for being a bit pissed that the starter he supposedly replaced was still around cause Holand sucks at the cap. I remember the Hasek/Joseph thing was tense to say the least. How she goes.

But anyways, it’s all in the past.  Mrazek is gone and he’s happy. Won his first start as a Flyer, allowing one goal. 4 more wins and a playoff berth and the Wings get their third.

This is pure speculation, but some Flyers fans are saying they think Hextall will cut him off after 4 wins before the playoffs to make the fourth stick. Even if he makes the playoffs, but only wins 4 games, pick stays as is. I’m sure they won’t pull that s*** though.

 Resigning might happen though ,if they like him and the Wings get the other third. Neuvirth is always injured, Hextall is fed up, and they may be finished with him and go forward with Elliott and Mrazek instead. 

Bolded 1: If you don't have a source, it didn't happen. No one's taking your word for it. If you have bits and pieces share the source on the bits and pieces, I don't want just your personal interpretation of the source.

Bolded 2: Share the source. Again, I'm not going to take your interpretation of this mysterious source as doctrine. You need to share where your getting this info.

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· DO post a link reference (or cite the TV/radio source) when reporting breaking news, reports, etc. 

 

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Now that sums it up nicely. Holland’s reluctance to move on from Howard may cripple this team for awhile. Mrazek is gone, it’s done, but if they want to groom someone to take over eventually, whether it’s Coreau (if he’s capable) or one of the prospects, he and Blash need to fully commit to it, and soon.

Howard’s play has dropped off for the most part (again), and he could be one injury away from retirement. Not saying he’ll get another contract after next season, but if Holland is still around, he just might.

Sure, this season is a wash, but a lack of NHL capable goalies in the system currently is of concern, especially given Hollands 2019-20 goal to be a much better team. 

 He sure looks content. Haven’t seen him without a grouchy look for awhile.

”Hey Kenny, f*** you!”

 

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Chaps80, I hear you, and valid points at that. I am unsecure of who will replace Mrazek aswell. However, given this season, and most likely the next, we actually need a bad goalie.
I don't know for sure, but this might be Holland pulling the bathtub plug. It would in fact be an effective way to climb in the draft while still asking the younglings to go all out.
Not saying it's right, but food for thought.

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28 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Bolded 1: If you don't have a source, it didn't happen. No one's taking your word for it. If you have bits and pieces share the source on the bits and pieces, I don't want just your personal interpretation of the source.

Bolded 2: Share the source. Again, I'm not going to take your interpretation of this mysterious source as doctrine. You need to share where your getting this info.

 

Source for #2:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bob-Duff/Mrazeks-stock-plummets/216/85847

-Beyond his dismal numbers, the Wings also weren’t pleased when Mrazek forced their hand and they were required to file for arbitration last summer. There were also some issues involving Mrazek’s attitude, and it was thought last season’s switch of goalie coaches from Jim Bedard to Jeff Salajko, Mrazek’s goalie coach in AHL Grand Rapids, might help the situation, but that didn’t appear to be the case. He was also said to be very unhappy with the team for not trading Howard last summer.-

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Years from now, we wil need to remember that atleast this trade wasn't as bad as Chicago trading Dominic Hasek for the eventual return of Christian Ruttu.  That said it could be in the ballpark.

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14 hours ago, chaps80 said:

This is pure speculation, but some Flyers fans are saying they think Hextall will cut him off after 4 wins before the playoffs to make the fourth stick. Even if he makes the playoffs, but only wins 4 games, pick stays as is. I’m sure they won’t pull that s*** though.

I don't see them doing this on purpose. If they did, Hextall would have difficulty making trades in the future that are conditional, other GMs wouldn't bother. It'd be like signing an RFA to an offer sheet, He won't handcuff himself like that.

6 hours ago, chaps80 said:

 

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I think this guy changed my oil last week.

6 hours ago, chaps80 said:

Source for #2:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bob-Duff/Mrazeks-stock-plummets/216/85847

-Beyond his dismal numbers, the Wings also weren’t pleased when Mrazek forced their hand and they were required to file for arbitration last summer. There were also some issues involving Mrazek’s attitude, and it was thought last season’s switch of goalie coaches from Jim Bedard to Jeff Salajko, Mrazek’s goalie coach in AHL Grand Rapids, might help the situation, but that didn’t appear to be the case. He was also said to be very unhappy with the team for not trading Howard last summer.-

Stupid reason to be disgruntled. If you've won the starting job, and you're playing well enough to keep it, what difference does it make who the other goalie is?

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19 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Exactly my thoughts. But people here are too busy screaming that we at least got 4th round pick for someone who is going to leave anyway forrgetting what is the actual reasons for this mess.

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1 minute ago, RusDRW said:

Exactly my thoughts. But people here are too busy screaming that we at least got 4th round pick for someone who is going to leave anyway forrgetting what is the actual reasons for this mess.

In the final picture, it is nice to get something for the guy when he was going to leave UFA after not being qualified, but ya, before we had to settle for that result, the problem should have been addressed a long time ago.  IMO, they should've traded Jimmy 2 seasons ago, but instead they handled the situation like bumbling idiots.

Remember back when Hasek retired, we signed CuJo, then Hasek came back and that screwed everything up! What should've been a great experience for CuJo and us fans, turned out to be probably the worst experience CuJo could've had in his career! I mean we had him playing in the minors for pete's sake! I'm sure relations between those two became just as dicey as the relationship between Mrazek and Howard.

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On 2/23/2018 at 6:25 AM, chaps80 said:

I looked for a bit but couldn’t find it. Only bits about trying to change parts of his game, which he had a hard time with and didn’t respond too well to attitude wise.

Othef tning I came across was that he really wasnt happy that Holland couldn’t/wouldn’t  trade Howard, and pretty much told him so. Howard’s contract sucks, but he wasn’t willing to budge on not retaining salary. Of course he would have had to retain salary on that contract to move it. No other way. He could have got it done. Can’t fault Mrazek for being a bit pissed that the starter he supposedly replaced was still around cause Holand sucks at the cap. I remember the Hasek/Joseph thing was tense to say the least. How she goes.

But anyways, it’s all in the past.  Mrazek is gone and he’s happy. Won his first start as a Flyer, allowing one goal. 4 more wins and a playoff berth and the Wings get their third.

This is pure speculation, but some Flyers fans are saying they think Hextall will cut him off after 4 wins before the playoffs to make the fourth stick. Even if he makes the playoffs, but only wins 4 games, pick stays as is. I’m sure they won’t pull that s*** though.

 Resigning might happen though ,if they like him and the Wings get the other third. Neuvirth is always injured, Hextall is fed up, and they may be finished with him and go forward with Elliott and Mrazek instead. 

I'm thinking it were that obvious that he was doing so, it would be illegal per CBA and NHL Rules. That is almost like circumventing the Cap in order to screw other teams. First of all, I am not sure if there is even a "cutting" process with the CB Rules and contracts.  I guess he could waive him, but that would still be a glaring circumvention of the trade agreement and probably would be a hefty fine involved, maybe even trading privileges revoke for a period of time. Plus not only would Hextall screw his relationship with Holland, there are 29 other GM's that would take notice of that act and also refrain from dealing with him. If there are actual "fans" saying they actually think he would do that, then they don't know crap about the business aspect of sports and probably barely anything about the sport itself. These are the fans that get up and scream at the TV when the plays goes offside asking WTF did they blow the whistle for!?!?!

24 minutes ago, LoveMyRedWings56 said:

Come on Petr 4 more wins and Philly makes the playoffs and we get Phillies 2018 3rd make it to the Eastern Conference Finals and win 6 playoff games and we get their 2018 2nd instead.

...will we draft a LH'd or RH'd Pitcher or go with a Short Stop?

:P

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37 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

Howard being better than Mrazek seems to be a theme on this board but I just don't see it. Howard is horrid and is the goalie that should have been given away.

Howard is not better than Mrazek. They both have their inconsistencies.  Actually Howard is consistent, consistent at sucking after the All-Star break. Its just he is grossly overpaid and has another year on his contract so it would've been harder to trade. Plus Petr pissed in Holland's Wal-Mart brand Oatsie Rings so he was getting the ax before Jimmy anyhow.  I still hope that Howard is gone before next year as well!

Not unless the plan is, Petr steps it up, takes Philly to the ECF, we get the 2nd and the 2019 pick, Hextall doesn't qualify him, we dump Jimmy for a couple of pieces of burnt bacon, then sign Mrazek to a nice deal.....no? :lol:

 

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17 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I don't see them doing this on purpose. If they did, Hextall would have difficulty making trades in the future that are conditional, other GMs wouldn't bother. It'd be like signing an RFA to an offer sheet, He won't handcuff himself like that.

I think this guy changed my oil last week.

Stupid reason to be disgruntled. If you've won the starting job, and you're playing well enough to keep it, what difference does it make who the other goalie is?

It's not a stupid thing. Some goalies don't like their predecessor around when they've won his starting job. It's a distraction. Some don't care, some do. if your committed to that guy, you do whatever it takes to fix that situation so he can move on. He was always the top guy everywhere he played, and wanted that in Detroit. Some forget, goalies are creatures of some VERY weird habits that can throw their game off if not completed or addressed. Holland could have ate salary and moved Howard out, but wouldnt budge on it. Hextall couldnt start a game without touching each face off dot in his zone and then at center ice. Even got into a fight over it when one team in the playoffs tried to block the center dot so he couldnt touch it. Habits and confidence you are THE top guy. Can be absolutely critical to his success.

 

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5 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

In the final picture, it is nice to get something for the guy when he was going to leave UFA after not being qualified, but ya, before we had to settle for that result, the problem should have been addressed a long time ago.  IMO, they should've traded Jimmy 2 seasons ago, but instead they handled the situation like bumbling idiots.

Remember back when Hasek retired, we signed CuJo, then Hasek came back and that screwed everything up! What should've been a great experience for CuJo and us fans, turned out to be probably the worst experience CuJo could've had in his career! I mean we had him playing in the minors for pete's sake! I'm sure relations between those two became just as dicey as the relationship between Mrazek and Howard.

I'm glad to see a few people on here realizing that completely avoidable circumstances could have stopped the Mrazek/management downward spiral awhile back, and that Holland made a stupid choice that may make him look like a fool. "Money, work ethic, attitude, blah blah," had he aggressively shopped Howard and retained salary to get him outta town. Maybe Jimmy cried in Holland's off ice saying he wanted one more chance. Who knows. Either way, dumb.

The Cujo thing sucked for sure. He was also treated like s*** by Holland. One of the top 5 NHL goalies of his era playing in GR. f*** me.

2 hours ago, LoveMyRedWings56 said:

Come on Petr 4 more wins and Philly makes the playoffs and we get Phillies 2018 3rd make it to the Eastern Conference Finals and win 6 playoff games and we get their 2018 2nd instead.

And he still makes Holland look stupid. Making the ECF, something the Wings and Holland's prized Jimmy havent done since 2009, without a spectacular roster in front of him would just show he screwed up. But yay, 2nd rounder!

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Howard is not better than Mrazek. They both have their inconsistencies.  Actually Howard is consistent, consistent at sucking after the All-Star break. Its just he is grossly overpaid and has another year on his contract so it would've been harder to trade. Plus Petr pissed in Holland's Wal-Mart brand Oatsie Rings so he was getting the ax before Jimmy anyhow.  I still hope that Howard is gone before next year as well!

Not unless the plan is, Petr steps it up, takes Philly to the ECF, we get the 2nd and the 2019 pick, Hextall doesn't qualify him, we dump Jimmy for a couple of pieces of burnt bacon, then sign Mrazek to a nice deal.....no? :lol:

 

Mrazek wouldn't re-sign here unless he's desperate. He'd probably say "Show me $4 million" and hang up the phone.

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@chaps80 still drooling over Mrazek? It’s over bro. He doesn’t care about you and he’s not your Red Wing anymore.

 

21 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

It's not a stupid thing. Some goalies don't like their predecessor around when they've won his starting job. It's a distraction. Some don't care, some do. if your committed to that guy, you do whatever it takes to fix that situation so he can move on. He was always the top guy everywhere he played, and wanted that in Detroit. Some forget, goalies are creatures of some VERY weird habits that can throw their game off if not completed or addressed. Holland could have ate salary and moved Howard out, but wouldnt budge on it. Hextall couldnt start a game without touching each face off dot in his zone and then at center ice. Even got into a fight over it when one team in the playoffs tried to block the center dot so he couldnt touch it. Habits and confidence you are THE top guy. Can be absolutely critical to his success.

 

It is a stupid thing. It’s also immature. 

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3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I'm thinking it were that obvious that he was doing so, it would be illegal per CBA and NHL Rules. That is almost like circumventing the Cap in order to screw other teams. First of all, I am not sure if there is even a "cutting" process with the CB Rules and contracts.  I guess he could waive him, but that would still be a glaring circumvention of the trade agreement and probably would be a hefty fine involved, maybe even trading privileges revoke for a period of time. Plus not only would Hextall screw his relationship with Holland, there are 29 other GM's that would take notice of that act and also refrain from dealing with him. If there are actual "fans" saying they actually think he would do that, then they don't know crap about the business aspect of sports and probably barely anything about the sport itself. These are the fans that get up and scream at the TV when the plays goes offside asking WTF did they blow the whistle for!?!?!

...will we draft a LH'd or RH'd Pitcher or go with a Short Stop?

:P

:lol: Sounds good to me.

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