Official 2019 Offseason Rebuild Thread

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

The contract they just gave Blashill and the comments they made at the presser certainly suggest that the Wings are not looking to be a basement team for the next two years.  My guess is this year is the lowest they'd like to fall in the standings.  Seems like management will be looking for considerable improvement next year and looking to push for the playoffs the year after that.  Which makes me think that unless Hughes or Kakko fall into their laps, they'll take Byram with their first pick and hope that the forward group we have, plus one or two UFAs, can be dangerous going forward. 

Yeah I fully expect the money bags Red Wings to enter FA spending on Daleys and Vaneks again. They don't like losing and will always try to spend their way out if they can.

Edited April 4, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[Dabura 12,232]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

The contract they just gave Blashill and the comments they made at the presser certainly suggest that the Wings are not looking to be a basement team for the next two years.  My guess is this year is the lowest they'd like to fall in the standings.  Seems like management will be looking for considerable improvement next year and looking to push for the playoffs the year after that.  Which makes me think that unless Hughes or Kakko fall into their laps, they'll take Byram with their first pick and hope that the forward group we have, plus one or two UFAs, can be dangerous going forward. 

Agreed.

[krsmith17 7,191]

26 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah I fully expect the money bags Red Wings to enter FA spending on Daleys and Vaneks again. They don't like losing and will always try to spend their way out if they can.

Not ideal, but as long as they're all one year deals, I'm fine with it. We need to make room for a lot of kids in the next year or so...

Out: Vanek, Kronwall, Ericsson, Daley, Green.

In: Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski, McIsaac, 2019 1st round pick.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

14 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Svechnikov will not have to pass through waivers

Even better let’s keep everyone down next year ... suck for 70 games , call them all up and give away another superstar and go to clownworld ... honk honk 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

7 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Yeah, I pretty much agree with all of this, and I'm okay with it. We need one more season of pain before we turn the corner. At this point, I'd just assume all of Rasmussen, Veleno, Zadina, Svechnikov, Cholowski, McIsaac play the 2019-20 season in Grand Rapids. Rip it up down there and be ready to become full time Red Wings in 2020-21. We'll likely be a similar (bottom 5) team next season. Hopefully we get lucky in at least one of the next two drafts...

The 3 2nds this year and likely next year are just as huge  ... veleno/berggren/mcisaac our 3 picks after zadina weee huge and we need the same this year and next which is why aside of the obvious kakko/hughes I wanted us to land like 32-33 instead of 38-39-40 cause the player available at those spots compared to 6-7 spots can be huge in acquiring someone big who stumbles 

anyways massive 2 drafts coming up can’t afford a 2017 repeat 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

29 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Even better let’s keep everyone down next year ... suck for 70 games , call them all up and give away another superstar and go to clownworld ... honk honk 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

4 hours ago, kipwinger said:

The contract they just gave Blashill and the comments they made at the presser certainly suggest that the Wings are not looking to be a basement team for the next two years.  My guess is this year is the lowest they'd like to fall in the standings.  Seems like management will be looking for considerable improvement next year and looking to push for the playoffs the year after that.  Which makes me think that unless Hughes or Kakko fall into their laps, they'll take Byram with their first pick and hope that the forward group we have, plus one or two UFAs, can be dangerous going forward. 

The one or two ufa’s is what scares me 

16 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You just murdered the draft lottery?

2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah I fully expect the money bags Red Wings to enter FA spending on Daleys and Vaneks again. They don't like losing and will always try to spend their way out if they can.

Or spend their way into digging themselves into a deeper hole ... going with option #2

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3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

The one or two ufa’s is what scares me 

Brassard, Simmonds, Myers. 14-year contracts for each. LET'S GO!

Edited April 4, 2019 by Dabura

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Not ideal, but as long as they're all one year deals, I'm fine with it. We need to make room for a lot of kids in the next year or so...

Out: Vanek, Kronwall, Ericsson, Daley, Green.

In: Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski, McIsaac, 2019 1st round pick.

Also potentially svechnikov,lindstrom,regula,Pearson and smith who I think will be going for spots next season or year after so it’s really time for us to take out the garbage and be careful with how we spend our money

[krsmith17 7,191]

21 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Also potentially svechnikov,lindstrom,regula,Pearson and smith who I think will be going for spots next season or year after so it’s really time for us to take out the garbage and be careful with how we spend our money

Svechnikov will start next season in GR, and will likely have at least a couple others ahead or right there with him competing for a spot. Lindstrom is still a couple years away.

Regula, Pearson (Turgeon) and Smith are competing for bottom pair / 4th line roles. Should be easy enough to make room for some of them if / when they earn it. I've always liked what I've seen from Turgeon. Hoping he and / or Pearson can steal a spot from Abdelkader / Helm / Glendening / Ehn / de la Rose / Kuffner over the next year or so...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Ya svechnikov will start down considering he hasn’t played in a year (wasn’t aware he would be able to not be claimed) I still got hopes for him, agreed with lindstrom and same applies for regula

I think Pearson,turgeon,smith will compete for 3rd-4th line roles , I think smith can be a good player for us and bring some toughness and grit we don’t currently have

i don’t know about any of these guys stealing spots though, when they’ll be reading helm and glendening’s deals will be coming to an end and hopefully we’ll be smart enough to move them or let them go, abdelkader I think we’re stuck for at least 2-3 more years , it is what it is 

Think ehn sticks around and is a good cheap depth player , delarose think will be gone soone for later and I’m probably being persuaded by his run now and being unfair but don’t think kuffner ever becomes anything

 

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture

[Akakabuto 1,863]

On 4/4/2019 at 11:36 PM, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya svechnikov will start down considering he hasn’t played in a year (wasn’t aware he would be able to not be claimed) I still got hopes for him, agreed with lindstrom and same applies for regula

I think Pearson,turgeon,smith will compete for 3rd-4th line roles , I think smith can be a good player for us and bring some toughness and grit we don’t currently have

i don’t know about any of these guys stealing spots though, when they’ll be reading helm and glendening’s deals will be coming to an end and hopefully we’ll be smart enough to move them or let them go, abdelkader I think we’re stuck for at least 2-3 more years , it is what it is 

Think ehn sticks around and is a good cheap depth player , delarose think will be gone soone for later and I’m probably being persuaded by his run now and being unfair but don’t think kuffner ever becomes anything

 

 

Am I completely out of the realm of possibility if I suggest we trade Abdelkader for Ondrej Palat?

Seeing some Bolts fans saying he’s fallen off the last two seasons. Guy is still youngish(28) and I think the numbers kinda works. We get a younger guy with a shorter contract and the Bolts save 1 milion and get, well, grit and stuff. 

And we get to expand our czech nation in the locker room!

[krsmith17 7,191]

 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

16 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

Am I completely out of the realm of possibility if I suggest we trade Abdelkader for Ondrej Palat?

Seeing some Bolts fans saying he’s fallen off the last two seasons. Guy is still youngish(28) and I think the numbers kinda works. We get a younger guy with a shorter contract and the Bolts save 1 milion and get, well, grit and stuff. 

And we get to expand our czech nation in the locker room!

I don’t think there’s a chance Tampa would make that move , abdelkader is basically a 4th liner at this stage 

[Dabura 12,232]

17 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

Am I completely out of the realm of possibility if I suggest we trade Abdelkader for Ondrej Palat?

Palat's cap hit is a bit higher, but he's four years younger and he's more talented and he put up a respectable 34 points in 64 games this season and he only has two years left on his deal (versus Abby's three). So, the only way the trade happens is if we add sweeteners.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

43 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Palat's cap hit is a bit higher, but he's four years younger and he's more talented and he put up a respectable 34 points in 64 games this season and he only has two years left on his deal (versus Abby's three). So, the only way the trade happens is if we add sweeteners.

if we add pizza coupons that enough sweetener

[Dabura 12,232]

1 minute ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

if we add pizza coupons that enough sweetener

how many coupons we talking about here

[gcom007 1,465]

On 4/4/2019 at 11:30 AM, kipwinger said:

The contract they just gave Blashill and the comments they made at the presser certainly suggest that the Wings are not looking to be a basement team for the next two years.  My guess is this year is the lowest they'd like to fall in the standings.  Seems like management will be looking for considerable improvement next year and looking to push for the playoffs the year after that.  Which makes me think that unless Hughes or Kakko fall into their laps, they'll take Byram with their first pick and hope that the forward group we have, plus one or two UFAs, can be dangerous going forward. 

Totally. Very hard to imagine a bottoming out like this year moving forward given the growth we’ve seen and growth yet to come, plus some more solid young guys in the pipeline. And that’s not even accounting for a potential big draft pick and potential solid offseason additions. I think there’s a very good chance this team competes for the playoffs next year even if we end up standing pat, and I don’t think that will happen. That’s the part of the last little streak to put us in fourth that was tough to swallow. I really think this was a one year window on netting a high draft pick. Hopefully we get some lottery luck, because thankfully, I don’t think we’ll be in this position in the coming years.

I also suspect Kronwall will be back which I’m fine with, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Vanek back. It seems like something Holland would do.

Outside of Hughes or Kakko, I’m on team Byram. Makes the most sense given what we have and don’t have. If we pick him up, I think Kronwall definitely returns to mentor and pass the #1 D torch. 

[Dabura 12,232]

15 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

Totally. Very hard to imagine a bottoming out like this year moving forward given the growth we’ve seen and growth yet to come, plus some more solid young guys in the pipeline. And that’s not even accounting for a potential big draft pick and potential solid offseason additions. I think there’s a very good chance this team competes for the playoffs next year even if we end up standing pat, and I don’t think that will happen. That’s the part of the last little streak to put us in fourth that was tough to swallow. I really think this was a one year window on netting a high draft pick. Hopefully we get some lottery luck, because thankfully, I don’t think we’ll be in this position in the coming years.

Yep, Holland flat-out stated -- before this season had even started -- that 2019-20 is where the expectations will really ramp up. And that sentiment has been echoed by pretty much everyone of importance. That includes Mickey, who's stated numerous times that the team will be expected to get back into the playoff picture next season.

In that sense, I agree with you that the six-game winning streak was napalm facepalm. At the same time, it finally gave Holland what he's been openly asking for, which is proof that the young guns can drive the bus. I think Holland's the kind of person who will look at what the young talent did this season and say, "They gave me what I asked for. Now I'm going to reward them with a roster that's worthy of the playoffs."

[kipwinger 8,772]

31 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

Totally. Very hard to imagine a bottoming out like this year moving forward given the growth we’ve seen and growth yet to come, plus some more solid young guys in the pipeline. And that’s not even accounting for a potential big draft pick and potential solid offseason additions. I think there’s a very good chance this team competes for the playoffs next year even if we end up standing pat, and I don’t think that will happen. That’s the part of the last little streak to put us in fourth that was tough to swallow. I really think this was a one year window on netting a high draft pick. Hopefully we get some lottery luck, because thankfully, I don’t think we’ll be in this position in the coming years.

I also suspect Kronwall will be back which I’m fine with, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Vanek back. It seems like something Holland would do.

Outside of Hughes or Kakko, I’m on team Byram. Makes the most sense given what we have and don’t have. If we pick him up, I think Kronwall definitely returns to mentor and pass the #1 D torch. 

I'm basically on team Byram OR Zegras if we don't pick in the top two. Largely for the same reasons you are.  I'm also totally fine with Kronwall and Vanek returning on one year deals.  With or without the top picks I'm very optimistic about the team's future though.  Obviously the play of the big four (Larkin, Mantha, Bert, AA) is promising, but so too is the fact that guys who are potentially even more talented are still on the way (Zadina, Ras, Veleno, Berggren).  I'm also THRILLED by Hronek.  Dude just put up a 40 points pace as a rookie.  That could very easily translate to 50-60 pts in a year or two, and he's no slouch defensively.  Cholo is also very promising and could be a 40-50 pt. guy.  That's two higher end offensive defensemen in your top four, and a lot of promise in McIsaac and Lindstrom too.  Add 4 of the top 60 picks this year, and UFAs in the next two years, and I think we're ready and able to make a big push.

[kipwinger 8,772]

3 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Yep, Holland flat-out stated -- before this season had even started -- that 2019-20 is where the expectations will really ramp up. And that sentiment has been echoed by pretty much everyone of importance. That includes Mickey, who's stated numerous times that the team will be expected to get back into the playoff picture next season.

In that sense, I agree with you that the six-game winning streak was napalm facepalm. At the same time, it finally gave Holland what he's been openly asking for, which is proof that the young guns can drive the bus. I think Holland's the kind of person who will look at what the young talent did this season and say, "They gave me what I asked for. Now I'm going to reward them with a roster that's worthy of the playoffs."

I'd add, it wasn't just growth from the big four (although that was huge), but also that the veterans could play fewer and fewer minutes and that we'd be better for it.  For years the idea was that a bad veteran is still better than an inexperienced young kid.  I think this season illustrated that the quality of our farm system has improved enough to make that no longer true.  Sure Abby or Helm may be a better option in the top 9 than Jurco or Frk.  But they're probably not a better option than Zadina, Ras, or Veleno going forward.  That's a big change for this organization.  My expectation is that the Helms, Abbys, Nielsens, and Glendenings will continue to see their roles diminished, and the Ehns and De La Roses will disappear. 

[gcom007 1,465]

I know Abby’s not getting bought out, but I don’t know what role he’s going to justify holding on to for too much longer with so many guys set to come up in the next few years. He’s too mediocre now let alone as we improve. 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

2 hours ago, Dabura said:

Palat's cap hit is a bit higher, but he's four years younger and he's more talented and he put up a respectable 34 points in 64 games this season and he only has two years left on his deal (versus Abby's three). So, the only way the trade happens is if we add sweeteners.

Yeah I know but was thinking that Tampa’s gonna be strapped for cap space and that Abdelkaders deal fits well with their cup window.

And you could sell Abby with the pitch that he put up respectable numbers with Dats and that Tampa too have great centers. (not saying it’s a easy sell)

[gcom007 1,465]

If Holland could find a way to trade Abby, I’d take back a lot of what I said about him when he whiffed on signing Hossa when he had the chance. 

[Jersey Wing 1,521]

Just listening to Holland, oy. "I know how to handle a rebuild, I'm very familiar with how it happens yada yada yada..."

My job entails patience. A lot of it. It also requires forward looking. If Holland indeed knew about rebuilding as he's claiming somewhat arrogantly imho (definitely trying to cash in goodwill chips here), This would have started long before now or last year. Mr. Holland, you let it hit bottom before starting. Calle Jarnkrok, that was the time for it to begin in earnest. You fell in love with a streak, not the future. He'd look good now with our kids. Anybody even talking about that streak anymore?

 

It is what it is at this point but Holland today was annoying the wee out of me.