kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 This trade is fine, so I'm picking nits here. But given the recent reports that the defenseman market was thin, and that there was a lot of interest in Jensen, why not wait until Monday and see if you couldn't get someone to give a 2nd rounder in this year's draft? Maybe it doesn't happen, maybe it doesn't matter if it did, but I don't think the return was so good that they needed to jump right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 He just signed 4 yrs 10 million lol ... well that puts the rumours of bringing him back to rest now we can concentrate on the future, ship Daley off next Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 I'm cool with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He just signed 4 yrs 10 million lol ... well that puts the rumours of bringing him back to rest now we can concentrate on the future, ship Daley off next 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He just signed 4 yrs 10 million lol ... well that puts the rumours of bringing him back to rest now we can concentrate on the future, ship Daley off next Just saw this... it may be a good sign that Kenny is pinching his pennies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 Official Dang....oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,763 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 Love the trade! Great deal by Holland. I have to think that this was essentially a sign and trade, that extension was signed awfully fast. Would explain the great return as well. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Lime 234 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 Over 20 members online. I guess Holland must have made a trade, eh. Semi decent return for Jensen. Will probably be a late 2nd, but better than a late 3rd, which is what I was expecting. Don't know much about the player, but from what I've read and seen, he seems like a guy worth taking a chance on, "change of scenery" and all of that. Nothing to lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Official Dang....oh well. Don’t worry, he’ll be back to us after that contract is up. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 I still don't see why this trade was concluded today. Something isn't making sense to me, unless they genuinely liked Bowey as a prospect which I don't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 I know ur all thinking it...we now have the roster spot to re-sign Kronwall. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I know ur all thinking it...we now have the roster spot to re-sign Kronwall. If we wanted to re-sign Kronwall wouldn't he just take...Kronwall's spot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: This trade is fine, so I'm picking nits here. But given the recent reports that the defenseman market was thin, and that there was a lot of interest in Jensen, why not wait until Monday and see if you couldn't get someone to give a 2nd rounder in this year's draft? Maybe it doesn't happen, maybe it doesn't matter if it did, but I don't think the return was so good that they needed to jump right now. 19 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I still don't see why this trade was concluded today. Something isn't making sense to me, unless they genuinely liked Bowey as a prospect which I don't understand. I have to assume Holland believed it was the best return he was gonna get and that he had good reason to believe so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: This trade is fine, so I'm picking nits here. But given the recent reports that the defenseman market was thin, and that there was a lot of interest in Jensen, why not wait until Monday and see if you couldn't get someone to give a 2nd rounder in this year's draft? Maybe it doesn't happen, maybe it doesn't matter if it did, but I don't think the return was so good that they needed to jump right now. Why does any trade happen before 2:59 pm EST on TDL day? For that matter... 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: I have to assume Holland believed it was the best return he was gonna get and that he had good reason to believe so. Or, you know, he has Monday tee time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If we wanted to re-sign Kronwall wouldn't he just take...Kronwall's spot? Not if you want to carry both Hronek and Cholowski full time next season and give them significant ice time. 17 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Why does any trade happen before 2:59 pm EST on TDL day? For that matter... Or, you know, he has Monday tee time. Monday is not one of Holland's 3 work days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Now we should trade Abdelkader for a Jim Bowie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, kickazz said: Don’t worry, he’ll be back to us after that contract is up. Now I know where our 2023 1st round pick is going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jersey Wing said: Then he's probably happy he got shipped to Michigan where it's legal. Is weed legal in Michigan already? I honestly didn't know if true. 2 hours ago, Dabura said: Feel kinda bad for Holland. Recent bad contracts aside, and after what? 20 something years as manager, he now has to graciously concede to his former captain. I'm excited about Yzerman, but can't be fun for him. I look forward to seeing him in Seattle. Good deal for Jensen. Holland getting a 2nd rounder out of the deal is another feather in his cap for a man who's never had to rebuild before. Bowey seems like an Evander Kane type. Hopefully he can get his off ice issues in order and contribute. IMO I think the immediate extension by Washington for Jensen was a little rushed and shortsighted. Obviously they are praying he his is the next Kempny. I see the strategy being that they wanted to lock him up before his price goes up after a successful playoff run, but I would not have pulled that trigger myself. 4 years is long. Jensen could turn out to be their permanent 6/7 man and they will regret it if so. Kempny's are rare not the norm. Edited February 23, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Dabura said: I like Bowey. But I should note that the realistic expectation is that he's never going to be more than a depth guy. Hopefully he finds new life in Detroit. Either way, we get a 2nd, which is good. So like, Jensen for another Jensen plus a second? Sounds great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Just now, amato said: So like, Jensen for another Jensen plus a second? Sounds great! Jensen's way better at this time; Bowey's basically a reclamation project. But yeah, point taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Just now, Dabura said: Jensen's way better at this time; Bowey's basically a reclamation project. But yeah, point taken. Yeah Bowey was the throw in roster spot move like Mcilrath. Betting chance he never really contributes. 420 blaze it f*****s 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Where is this talk about Bowey's skating being a cause for concern coming from?... "Bowey is a dynamic defenseman who has continued to improve his overall game. His best asset is his skating abilities, which he uses with and without the puck...""Bowey is mobile along the blueline, and makes it difficult for opposing forwards to cover him because he could move laterally or move down the boards with the puck in a hurry. He has so many options due to his speed, that opponents are half a step late in trying to read what his next move will be...""Bowey is a gifted defenseman with a lot of upside. He still has a few kinks in his game, but there are some scouts who rave about him. He is a quality skater, if not high end, with a powerful stride, good balance, four-way bursts, and above-average top speed that enables him to close gaps quickly. He shows a willingness to engage, that along with a solid strength level, can help him erase checks off of pucks effectively. He also makes plays as a stick checker. Bowey has very good ability as a puck mover, whether he is rushing the puck out of his own zone, or moving it around on the power play. When he is on his game, his offensive hockey sense can be sterling. He has what one scout describes as a heavy shot from the blue line, adding to his multi-dimensional offensive ability. However, scouts have concerns about his defensive play, particularly in his risky decision-making—he sometimes gambles ineffectively when deciding to pinch or rush. His defensive zone play is not bad, but he is inconsistent with his positioning. Still, it is important to note that he did improve on that skill in the second half of this season. Very smooth skater already has a pro stride… Does a great job advancing the puck and using his agility in defensive coverage… Not an elite offensive player but should be a capable 2nd unit PP player… Possesses tremendous athletic upside… Needs to continue to improve dzone positioning. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2013/NHL-Draft-P I think Bowey is more than just a throw-in like some people seem to be suggesting. He is a bit of a reclamation project, but the raw skill is definitely there. The biggest question for me, is like others have mentioned, can he sort out any off-ice issues, and get his game back on track. I think he can. He was projected to be a top pair defenseman just a few short years ago. I'd say top four is still possible, but at worst, a solid bottom pair defenseman. Which is all Jensen ever was, and he's 5 years younger. Right now, I'd say this looks like a very good trade by Holland, and it could be an absolute steal if Bowey lives up to the hype a few years ago... He's still only 23. Jensen was what? 26 when he finally cracked the Red Wings full time? Looking forward to see him suit up in the next few games... 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Dabura said: Jensen's way better at this time; Bowey's basically a reclamation project. But yeah, point taken. I'm mostly kidding I like Jensen.. I also like the return. I think Holland got a good deal here. 2 krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, kickazz said: Don’t worry, he’ll be back to us after that contract is up. If Holland is here - with a NMC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
