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#2017167 Loophole

Posted by Jedi on 20 July 2010 - 01:54 AM

Or in the case of an injury prone Franzen we might be

You do realize that if a player is injured long term, that we get cap relief to be able to make adjustments, right? The details are a bit tricky (Doggy knows the details better than I), but the long and short of it is that if we lose a player long term ( > 10 games or 14 days), we will be able to go over the cap up to that player's salary while they're out.

Granted if we lose him mid season the choice of free agents would be bleak, but we could make roster moves (i.e. trades or waiver pick ups) to help fill the gap.

Not to mention the fact that if Franzen decides to retire, we won't be on the hook for his cap hit since he signed the contract before age 35. So if Franzen misses half a year again, we'll have some cap room to work with. And if (God forbid) he is forced to retire due to injury, we'll have that much cap space again for another free agent.

There's inherent risk in any NHL contract. Too short, and you could end up in the same boat we were in with Hossa after '09. Too long, and you could end up like the Isles with DiPietro. Somewhere in the middle, and you have to worry about renegotiating with them again in a few years and worrying about how big a raise you have to give him in order to keep him.

#2017144 Loophole

Posted by eva unit zero on 20 July 2010 - 12:08 AM

TBH, I don't have a problem with Kovalchuk's contract.

Yes, it's ridiculously long, and no, he probably won't play to the end of it. But it fits within league contract rules, and Ilya is really the first player on the UFA market to have multiple suitors for such a deal. Hossa didn't have multiple teams offering him long-term deals like the one Chicago did.

Perhaps restraining long term contracts to rules such as "ten years or less" or ruling that if a player retires with 5 or more years remaining on his contract after he has passed the age of 30, his cap hit will remain. The second statement would of course have an injury provision.

But I don't see a "need" to stop these deals. Yeah, maybe it reduces some of the excitement on July 1st. But think of it this way. Teams will retain star players. Fans will get to know the team's stars. NHL markets with fans who say "who?" when you name half the team because there is so much turnover on the roster will have teams with identifiable players who the fans know and love.

#2016451 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by mindfly on 18 July 2010 - 08:15 AM

Why don't you want him to sign?

Because he love the kids and youth from GR and watch alot of their games, maybe he gets a bit blind because of this.

Just my 2.

#2016080 Where can I get REAL Red Wing hockey pants?

Posted by HankthaTank on 16 July 2010 - 09:38 PM


There are Brett Lebda and Jason Williams on ebay

Couldn't see them being bid on too much....wait. Does Brian Burke have an ebay acct?

#2016107 Hawkeytown? ...barf.

Posted by Jett1913 on 16 July 2010 - 10:49 PM

I purchased tobacco from a man who looks exactly like the dude in the blackhawks logo today. I was totally tripping out.

In Canada they tax cigarettes to death, so we must resort to buying it from the reserves.

that's the hawks' logo's job in the off season

#2016209 Red Wings re-sign Derek Meech

Posted by mindfly on 17 July 2010 - 05:54 AM

Wings competition for the 6th spot (assuming ericsson is safe at no.5?) I'd say that's healthy and good compeition...

Kindl, Janik, Meech (if not traded), Ryasensky, Mckee/Hnidy/FA, Smith (outside chance), unknown camp invite (most likely, they always got invites for every position)

#2016208 Free Agency Thread

Posted by mindfly on 17 July 2010 - 05:50 AM

Did this Ryasensky kid get a contract from the wings or merely a camp invite with the sole purpose of making the red wings or go back to KHL? I can't remember... hmmm

Edit: It was just BS, a member on here cleared that out, so no russian then.

#2016285 How are you dealing with the off-season?

Posted by Electrophile on 17 July 2010 - 01:27 PM

How is everyones answer not boozing it up like maf***as? Jesus, how else do you spend a summer! :lol:

I guess some of us are inspired enough to find better, more productive things to do than get drunk.

#2016324 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 17 July 2010 - 05:46 PM

I'm glad that Babcock said Modano probably won't make his decision until August 1st at the earliest. Hopefully that will at least temper the, "Did he sign? Did he sign? Why won't he sign? What an *******!" comments a little bit.


DID HE SIGN?!?!?!?!
:ph34r: :tomato:

I hope you know I'm not "one of those types". :P

#2015990 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by mindfly on 16 July 2010 - 04:50 PM

Wings will be a force that will dominate games at will if modano signs they will be able to roll 4 lines, keep the energy level, eurotwins mode Activated, flip on his own line with mule.. and of course for this to happen they must stay healthy *knock on wood*

#2015801 Red Wings re-sign Derek Meech

Posted by NeverForgetMac25 on 16 July 2010 - 10:12 AM

Personally, just for the fact that in a worse case scenario we can essentially role 3 lines +2 in the event a forward goes down and rotate guys in and even that would only be in the event that we are decimated by injuries - keep in mind as well that we're most likely going to go into the season with a full 23 man roster, so we will most likely be carrying 14 forwards and 7 d-men, so there will already be forwards to sub in as needed, plus call-ups that need a real look before their out of options at the forward position... with all that in mind I'd rather carry the element that Janik brings as our 7, than Meech and I see him as a MUCH better compliment to the likes of Ericsson or Kindl as well, which is where that 6/7 dman would be playing...

Oh, I completely agree strictly in regards to the 7th Dman position. I just feel the question gets a little fuzzy when you start adding all the elements Meech brings to any team. Given the Wings style of play, the advantage of Meech is that he's a better puck moving/offensive Dman than Janik, but that's pretty much his only advantage in regards to the #7 Dman slot.

As you said, obviously the Wings are in a better position depth-wise up front then they were last year. Not only that, Janik definitely brings more of what you're traditionally looking for in a bottom pairing guy than Meech. On top of that, he's a stay-at-home guy that'll be there to cover for the mistakes E was making last year, and Kindl will likely make this year. For those reasons alone the argument for Janik as the #7 is quite strong.

#2015901 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by GoWings1905 on 16 July 2010 - 02:20 PM

Babcock's comment about getting 100 points was great.

Not at all crazy about two years for Modano, but if it helps achieve a championship 11 months from now then it's all good.

#2015856 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by mindfly on 16 July 2010 - 12:58 PM

I doubt Modano even would want a 2 year straight away, after you tuirn 40 you take it year by year, common sense.

#2015838 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by mindfly on 16 July 2010 - 12:09 PM

you think theyre hossa or pronger or something? lol

that's not how it works with players that were legally allowed to drink last winter. they fetch more money with longterm deals, not less.

Yeah maybe you're right, then sign them to a 1year deal maximum, they shouldnt get more than 1million period, they should earn similar to eaves&miller money.

#2015831 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by mindfly on 16 July 2010 - 11:58 AM

Didnt they go with: Cooke-Staal-Kennedy?

And where are all these crazy 1.5M for helm/abdelkaders coming from? they're not worth that much? sign a longer contract with a 900k caphit or something