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#2255403 Tomas Tatar

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

as someone who doesn't live in detroit any longer, it's great to get informed opinions on these prospects from you guys.

it's often hard to get good info and hockey's future can be waaay off about guys sometimes.

#2255402 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 12:06 PM

Just pointing out a difference and why the two situations ate completely different.

Having a list of 5 teams you're willing to be traded to as one of the stars of the franchise is pretty much a NMC.

My main point was never say never. Selanne has never said anything nearly as dramatic as Cheli did about the Wings, and the rivalry isn't nearly as heated. Plus his comments lately have been pretty measured.

Like I said, it seems like an extreme longshot, but who knows.

And this is one of the cases where offering Kindl and Hudler makes some sense. They'd pick up some of the goalscoring winger they'd lose in Teemu, and I'm pretty sure the Ducks are still in need of help on their blueline.

#2255392 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 11:51 AM

Yes, but I recall him saying the Hawks asked him to give them a list of 5 teams he would like to play for and they would try to accommodate him. Lucky for us, Detroit was on that list, despite his words previous to that date.

Blue, I don't understand all the hate you get for making threads that include lines combo's. Isn't that an important part of hokcey, lines? I like reading them. I don't always agree with your combo's but that is the point right? With that being said, I am not so sure it would cost as much as Hudler and Kindl to acquire Selanne for a spring rental. Wings_Toledo is on the right track with Hudler always be offered up (I am guilty as charged) but really, unless some team REALLY wants Hudler badly, nobody that are sellers are going to ask for a pending UFA in return. BUT, they mayb take a lessor player and a higher level prospect for him, or maybe a couple of prospects. I am not sure. I would make one change to your lines though, I would swap Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

Filppula - Datsyuk - Selanne
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Franzen

I would also like to see what wings_fanatic suggested with re-teaming Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but I would keep Franzen on their wing, because if Franzen was on a line with Fil and Selanne they would get their assess pounded on a nightly basis with no one to protect them. Having Bertuzzi out there would at least make other teams look behind their heads before taking liberties. Of course that would leave Dats and Z open for abuse then, because Franzen isn't gonna drop anyone short of punching someone after the whistle or game expires...

Agreed. I'm not totally positive but I thought Chelios requested (some say demanded) the trade once it became clear to him that Wirtz was intent on running the franchise into the ground.

I don't really get the negging either. Don't like it? don't read his threads.

#2255375 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 10:58 AM

Hasn't Selanne gone on record saying he hates the Wings?

He's made comments about the reffing when the Wings play at home.

But Chelios also went on record saying he'd never play for the Wings.

Selanne would be a great pickup at the deadline, but seems like a tremendous longshot.

#2255260 Congratulations Tomas Holmstrom

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 February 2012 - 03:58 PM

You can be pretty certain that he's probably averaged at least one crosscheck per game in his career too, so imagine over a thousand crosschecks to your back.

The guy's a warrior. The Wings have scored a lot of goals because of his presence in front of the net, even if he doesn't end up with an assist. There isn't a stat column for screening goalie with your ass.

#2255239 2/10 GDT : Ducks 1 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 February 2012 - 01:03 PM

I agree. I think I am just trying to squash the "Franzen can't hold a candle to Perry" argument. They are both about equal all things considered. Perry has youth while Franzen has a track record of performance.

Actually Id' say Perry has the better track record of performance. Mule has two ridiculously explosive goal scoring years in the postseason and another overall good performance.

Perry has a 98 point season with 50 goals, two 70+ point seasons. Mule's regular season high is 34 goals and 59 points (which he'll likely break this season). Then factor in that Perry is on a crappy Ducks team the last couple seasons. The main reason they made the playoffs was his second half of the year.

I hate Perry when the Wings play against him, but if you're talking about a one for one swap, I'd take him over Mule. The Wings are better and harder to play against with him, and he's a RH shot to boot.

Neither set of stats is very useful as is. Stats from 2008 and beyond are most representative of the type of player Franzen is now. For three consecutive playoff years Franzen was PPG or better in the playoffs; last year he was hurt. He is certainly a more effective playoff scorer than regular season guy.

But you could say the same about Perry. He's a much better player now than he was as a 22 year old.

#2254744 Anyone Ever Notice This?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 February 2012 - 04:33 PM

Players have been giving Lidstrom that respect for a while. I think it comes from three places:
1) he's a living legend and he's treated accordingly (whether consciously or not) by the players and refs,
2) he doesn't drill other players or really develop any kind of physical antagonistic relationship and
3) Lidstrom has a history of slipping checks and making the other guy look silly. A check that you're not likely to actually land is worse than no check at all.

Like you said: a guy like Kronwall will always get hit harder by the other team than a guy who plays the game as elegantly as Lidstrom.

Gretzky was treated the same way by the end of his career. Lidstrom's a guy people mention in the same breath as Orr. And really, it's hard to make an argument for any defenseman other than Orr being as singularly dominant as Lidstom has been in his era. Guys like Bourque and Coffey had peers, Lidstrom and Orr never did.

Not if you visit hfboards. People there will grudgingly put Lids as #5, at best, and always behind Bourque. It's kind of comical.

#2254250 Cleary out for about a week

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 February 2012 - 12:32 PM

cleary is awful this year...not a huge loss.

5th in TOI for forwards with over 16 minutes a game.
Plays on the PK and the PP and isn't afraid to go anywhere on the ice.
6th on the team with 11 goals.
8th on the team with 27 points and is a +12.
He was on pace for about his usual 40 points.

People may be unhappy with his play, but anytime you lose a guy who plays 16 minutes a night in all situations and get you 40 points, it's a significant loss. Hopefully he gets the knee drained and comes back healthy.

#2254236 Anyone Ever Notice This?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 February 2012 - 12:07 PM

I'm guessing it's partly that, but I think it's also that Lidstrom constantly has his head up, so he's really hard to get a good hit on.

It's seriously ridiculous how little he looks down at the puck. Next game just watch Lids. He's almost never looking down, whether he's skating up ice with the puck, making a pass, or taking a shot. I'm not sure he even knows what his skates look like.

#2254235 What the F has gotten into these wings?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

Commodore really getting a lot of love for some average fights.

Kindl played really well the past 2 games, where's the thread about that?

The thread is about the Wings fighting more, not just about Commie.

There wasn't a thread about Kindl's crappy games where he played himself out of the lineup, there probably isn't going to be one for him playing well for two games.

#2253636 Revenge

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 February 2012 - 02:47 PM

Let me explain my reason for saying we were cheated in 09. I am not just a slappy that can't admit when another team is better. I am too lazy to go back and tell you what games this happened so I will just point out the facts. Malkin gets an instigator penalty in the last 5 minutes of game 2? Should have been by the rules automatic one game suspension. Was it? Hell no!!!! At least the NBA holds to its rules of If you leave the bench during a fight automatic suspension. It seems as if Bettman's rules only apply if it will help the team he wants to win.

Pittsburg with an extra man on the ice for a full minute. ( I forgot which game this was) was it called no!!!!

Finally if you remember Detroit wrapped up their wcf series early and the Stanley cup finals were slated to start a week later per the Nhl schedule. However, Bettman knowing the Wings were banged up, started the series a WEEK before they were slated to start.

What happened eventually? yes the Wings ran out of gas. I really fkn hate Bettman.

So the Wings were robbed because they needed one of the Pens best players to be suspended for them to win? Or because they had to play the series early just like the Pens did?

I think it was game 1 in 09 Osgood had a puck sitting on his back that was covered in the crease by zetterberg and the Wings got away with it. If the Pens score on the penalty shot they should've been awarded, they're back in that game. Maybe they take game 1 and the series goes a whole different way. Who knows though because that's the breaks. It's not fair to cherrypick the few breaks the Pens got, as if those were the only significant tipping points in the series.

There's breaks and bounces in all series. Short of what happened to Buffalo in 99, no call really determines a series.

When the Wings won the Cup in 08 they were fortunate enough to stay healthy throughout the playoffs. I think that's the year they played the Avs who were decimated by injuries. That's just how the game goes.

It was a heartbreaking loss for sure. But the Wings weren't robbed. They got beat by a healthier younger team who had learned from losing in the Finals the year before.

#2253573 Revenge

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 February 2012 - 11:45 AM

We were cheated out of 09 so I don't count that as a loss.

I agree. In my book I consider that series to be marked with an asterisk indicating that the Wings really won it. Losing by a goal in Game 7, hitting the post with seconds to go, all while only playing on half cylinders? The Wings owned that series but couldn't score all of a sudden.

The Wings didn't own that series. they started strong and ran out of gas, and hence lost the series. They weren't cheated, they just lost in heartbreaking fashion.

Sorry guys, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with stinky fish...

As infuriating as it would be at the time, the Pens would be a great rematch. Giving the Wings to chance to break the tie.

#2253431 Pick Your Poison

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 February 2012 - 04:34 PM

The power play has been bad lately but the Wings are still middle of the pack. They're 25th in PK though.

All of the options in the poll are legitimate factors, but a PK that bad will kill them in the playoffs.

#2253109 Another crybaby

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 February 2012 - 07:20 PM

This joke has been used many times, but it never gets old.

All 5 of the Coyotes fans agree.

The really sad part is that number includes the players.

#2252269 2/4 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Oilers 5 (SO)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 February 2012 - 10:46 PM

Unfortunately I've watched enough hockey over the last 25 years of my life to know when you don't score on a 5 on the 3 you usually don't win hockey games. Good night everyone I wish the Wings could prove me and that wrong but it hardly happens.

The thing is that if you stop watching in the first period, then you would've missed all the games they won in spite of not scoring on a 5 on 3.