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#2183615 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 June 2011 - 10:18 AM

Seriously Broken - get your ownf****** life and stop worrying about mine.

Take a chill pill man. Friendly ribbing like that is older than all of us. :P

#2183421 Aaron Rome

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 06:16 PM

The hit was to the area of the collarbone. It was the impact on the ice that gave Horton the concussion.

There's no way you or anyone can really have any idea as to what exactly gave Horton the concussion.

Bert got one by turning his head and hitting his chin as he ran into Heatley.

When you get hit that hard and your brain gets rattled that much, the hit alone and head snap certainly could've caused it as much as the impact to the ice.

#2183353 Aaron Rome

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 03:14 PM

My opinion is objective.

The funny thing is, I think you actually believe that.

#2183338 Aaron Rome

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 02:32 PM

I hope Rome comes back and makes another sweet hit like that.Glad someone is keeping the old school hockey spirit alive.Horton should keep his head up.

Yeah! More late hits! More concussions!

#2183333 Aaron Rome

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 02:28 PM

Horton was watching his own pass. His head was up, he was skating forward, and he was watching the player he'd just passed to. Rome's hit was late by only a second, perhaps even a bit less. The hit wasn't from Horton's blindside, and it wasn't a hit to Horton's head. The damage was done by the manner in which Horton hit the ice.

The penalty was for interference. It was not a charge. A charge is when a player takes more than three strides toward another before hitting the latter. Watch the replay.

In any event, Rome has no history of suspension, and because the hit didn't violate the blindside rule and wasn't a hit to the head, I doubt he'll get more than one game. That Horton got so badly injured is just bad luck; many players have taken that hit and gotten back up.

You don't think it was from the blindside? To me it looked like a lateral blindside hit where the head was the principal point of contact.

As I said another thread, this is a situation where Horton was watching his pass, but because he's about to gain the zone he's likely watching to stay onsides. When the pass is on his teammate's stick, you can see Horton start to accelerate into the zone. Yes he should've had better awareness, but this isn't as simple as "keep your head up kid." He's trying to stay onside and the hit was late. As Doug Weight said, after the puck is gone like that you start to relax and make the next move.

Horton knows the d are back so how the hell does he not look up? I guess he assumed the d were backing up into the zone. Plus I think he was looking to maybe get a pass back from Lucic right away and not so much looking to be onsides or admiring his pass. A little late maybe but it's really hard to see if contact was to the head or not. Looks like another case of injury determining punishment. Oh well...


With the video review they counted it at 29 frames after the puck leaves Horton's stick. 30 frames of video is a full second. The NHL apparently uses up to a half a second as a sort of buffer as to what's not late.

2 things...

Reduce the size of both the shoulder, and elbow pads thus making them resemble what players wore in the 1970's/1980's.

Hip checking needs to make a strong comeback (although we'll most likely see a sharp increase in knee injuries).

Absolutely agree.

Shanny should make guys where shoulder pads like his. :P

You shouldn't see knee injuries as long as the guys do it right and don't go Lebda submarine style.

#2183331 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 02:19 PM

Did you see his passing toward the end of the season and particularly in the playoffs? Horrid. Absolutely terrible. Seemed to think he was Lidstrom, slinging the puck across the ice at our blueline--nice if he checked for guys with other sweaters coming up the middle like Lids does, not so nice when he consistently skipped that step.

I don't really care if the guy's a marshmallow. I don't really care that he's our new version of Sammy the Logo Hunter (there's some board whipping boy memories for ya), on the rare occasions he actually takes a slapper. We're a puck possession team and our D guys have to be VERY smart about that first pass to get the possession going. Ericsson doesn't get it done. Call him a #6 and he still can't pass for s***. If you can't trust him on the ice, he shouldn't be there. For a dump-n-chase team, I think Rig would be a solid 5-6 guy and worth $2mil to them. He's mobile, provides some threat on a pinch, and his positioning is improving. For a puck possession team like us, he's not worth the cardboard center of a roll of stick tape.

I'm more than willing to agree that Babs is smarter than me, but I simply don't understand the patience with a turnover machine on a team structured like the Wings.

The thing is, what's probably keeping him in the lineup is his passing. He has a better first pass than Salei and Stuart. I know people like to pretend he turns it over every single time he touches the puck, but Ericsson's passing ability is actually an asset on a puck possession team like the Wings. It's like what's made him tolerable to management in spite of his slowed progress in nearly every other regard.

I'm not saying he should stay no matter what. If the price is right I'm okay with him as a decent bottom pairing D-man. If he wants too much and there's better guys available, let him walk.

#2183195 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2011 - 01:01 AM

feel bad for Horton, that was a late hit but players need to keep their heads up hockey is a sport of milliseconds i swear some players are lucky that Scott Stevens is still not playing, be more aware

I agree that players should keep their heads up, but that hit was seriously late, and Horton makes his pass and is likely watching to make sure he stays onsides. Enough time has passed that you can see Horton taking quick strides starting to accelerate into the zone when he gets hit in the head.

#2183109 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 June 2011 - 09:34 PM

Nice of the refs to protect Vancouver when they pull their cheap crap.

God forbid players have to answer for the little chippy stuff after the whistle.

#2183076 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 June 2011 - 08:29 PM

I doubt Rome will get suspended. The league will say they could find no conclusive evidence that a hit took place.

#2182796 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 June 2011 - 05:20 PM

Grapes is spot on.

How it used to be -


That's awesome by Cherry. "No you stop it!" :lol:

But I thought all the douchey s*** like Burrows does is as old as the game of hockey? The diving, hiding behind refs, biting?

Ahh Harold, what a crazy bastard that guy was. Laughing at Clark. Just awesome.

The thing is, it's not like Burrows is a marginal player doing whatever it takes to stay on the team. That's the disturbing trend. The diving and antics like Burrows is happening more and more with star players. H. Sedin is a friggin Art Ross and Hart winner, and he's diving out there worse than Forsberg ever did. And Floppa at least had the excuse that it was the clutch and grab era so he had guys waterskiing off of him the whole game.

The Sedins, Kesler, Thorton, Dustin Brown, and on and on. It's annoying. If I wanted to watch guys flop and then cry to the refs all the time, I'd watch the NBA. Or worse, soccer.

Instead of Roenick calling out Marleau for being gutless, I wish former players who are analysts would call out these guys for diving and crying so much. Biting a guys finger, falling down like you've been shot, that's not old time hockey.

#2182405 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 June 2011 - 02:37 PM

I'm laughing. And the only thing I find funnier is the holier-than-thou reaction.

A guy sticks his finger up my nose and tries to widen my left nostril and sticks a second one in my mouth -- damn right I'll bite it off.

Furthermore, I watched all the Sportsnet and TSN programs yesterday. Pretty much every analyst they had on said they had either been bitten by or had bitten someone in their careers during a face wash. And these aren't all young guys either. Hell, even Cliff Ronning said he bit Tie Domi. CLIFF RONNING!.. And Ronning bit Domi's bare finger. :lol:

Take a chill pill folks. This dog is older than all of us.

Ohh the irony of that statement.

Good thing we have a Vancouver fan here to tell us how we should feel about this. If it were a Bruin chomping down on a Canuck, I'm sure your stance would be the same. (no need to answer that. I know the response that's coming).

Facewashes are as old as the game of hockey. Funny how so few end in biting fingers like a little girl. Burrows continues to embarrass himself.

Beyond that, the league has suspended for the offense before, so regardless of how people feel about the incident, Ruutu got 2 games for a very similar move. It's not like there's not a precedent.

#2182366 Hockey Hall of Fame - Class of 2011 - Your Call

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 June 2011 - 12:06 PM

Is there anyone higher than Oates on the all-time points list who isn't already in the hall?

(of those eligible of course)

I know, I know, no Stanley Cup or personal awards, but 1420 points. a very respectable 156 points in 163 playoff games. one of the best passers the game has seen and a major factor in Hull's success.

Oates should get in this time.

#2182043 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 June 2011 - 12:10 PM

Yet he was 2nd best on the team among defensemen in the +/- category....

I know. It's staggering that Babcock would keep putting him out there almost 19 minutes a night, when Ericsson is singlehandedly responsible for giving up a goal in every single game. ;)

#2181703 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 June 2011 - 11:52 AM

Are you aware that Salei made less than that this season and did arguably a better job? I think $1.5m is too much.

It's a tough argument to make, considering Salei had to fight for his roster spot with Kindl this season. And it's not because Kindl was playing awesome.


He didn't do a better job than Ericsson this season. In the playoffs Salei's value increased a little because of his experience (and even then Ericsson played over 2 more minutes per game), but the regular season he was a disappointment for a lot of the same reasons as people say about Ericsson. Bad turnovers, not physical as he should be, bad penalties. And doesn't have nearly the first pass that E does. Most of the time Salei just goes up the glass or ices the puck.

Salei's value was also less at the start of this season because he's a 36 year old D-man with a long history of injuries. Health is always a question mark with him, so he's not really the best measure of market value of Ericsson.

Also, to correct something mentioned earlier in the thread, Ericsson has said he hadn't started negotiating with Holland, so he doesn't know where mlive got the info that he had turned down a deal for $2 mill a year.

EDIT: And isn't there already a long thread about Ericsson?

#2180613 Question about Carcillo

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 28 May 2011 - 11:13 AM

The answer is yes, he's a douchebag.

Oh, was that not the question?