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#2175905 Changes in the offseason

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 15 May 2011 - 04:07 PM

This is a statement that is made anytime we talk about how we need to get younger.

Is he overpaid now? Yes.
Was he overpaid at the time of his signing? Maybe slightly.

Would he get six million if we re-signed him next year? Not a chance.
Are we going to re-sign him? Probably not.

Is he going to get traded? No.


I don't think he was even overpaid at the time of his signing. Sure the term was a little longer than I'd want, but it's likely what Holland had to do to bring him here. He was not in a strong negotiating position.

At the end of the 07 season Schneider jumped ship for $5.6 million with Anaheim, leaving a major hole in the Wings defense. Holland was scrambling for a #2 D-man and found Rafalski who similar to Schneider was a puck-moving defenseman good for 40-50 points (which is what Schneider was until he was paired with Nick and had two career seasons), who fit into the defense puck-moving system in Detroit, was younger than Schneider, a two-time Cup winner, and a local boy to boot.

Everyone wants to kill Rafalski when he makes a bad turnover, but for every one of those there's the tremendous outlet passes and quarterbacking the power play. More than even Lidstrom, Rafalski stretches the Wings offense and keeps the other teams defense honest. Because skating in front of his own net he's capable of rocketing a pass to a forward headed towards the offensive blueline.

Yes the contract looks less good now that we're in the last two years and his play has tapered a bit. But it's unfair to just look at him now and call him overpaid. At the time it was a good signing, and considering how 2008 worked out (and even 2009), it was worth it.

#2175618 Jonathan Ericsson Appreciation Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 May 2011 - 05:28 PM

The giveaway and hits stat is... quite sad.

The points stat isn't. He was supposed to be the defensive defenseman on the Jonny-Rafi pairing.

Ericsson still isn't as physical as I'd like, but if we're going to quote hits stat, let's take a more complete look.

Ericsson had 107 hits in 74 regular season games, averaging less than 19 min TOI.
Kronwall had 113 hits in 3 more games, averaging almost 4 more minutes per game.
Salei had 117 and Stuart led the Wings with 131.
Lids and Raf both had 49.

In the postseason he was second to Kronwall with 23 hits (Kronner had 26).

And honestly hits is a pretty suspect stat anyway. Like I said Ericsson needs to play more physical, but using that stat as some negative of his is just looking for things to rip on him about. Because given his ice time, those numbers actually make him look more aggressive than he is.

#2175617 Jonathan Ericsson Appreciation Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 May 2011 - 05:22 PM

Well he blew that. Thing is everything I always read/heard about what they were hoping from him was a big body Dman with the hands of a Forward since thats what he tried to be and failed doing.

The rationale was that Johnny Turnover would be Nicky with Krons hitting abilty. sadly I cant find the link I had posted on a different forum where he actually stepped out of the way of a puck being shot which screened Howie and led to a goal. Cant remember the team, wanna say the Stars, the Blues or Blue Jackets.

People that have seen him play in person have a whole new level of disdain for him. TV tends to stay with the puck so you cant see what he is doing on the ice but it takes bad play to a whole new level.

My point with this is that he has been given a chance. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt that hes new to the position, how long do you let someone screw things up before moving on? If Detroit wants a half assed D man that is 6'6 220, they can hire me. Ill play for league minimum and would probably show more heart and try than him. Hope he goes to the minors, no team deserves what he brings.

Who's rationale was that?? He was drafted dead last and is a converted forward just finishing his second full season in the NHL.

As I said, he's a serviceable bottom pairing guy. If the Wings can find someone better and cheaper, great. But it's not as easy as people think. It's ridiculous how much hate he gets here as the #5 D-man. There were much bigger issues with the team.

#2175055 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Sharks 3

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 May 2011 - 12:18 PM

I used to be a fan, but I'm so over Joe Thornton. Especially after hearing the post game interviews of him. Hearing him say how they don't care what people are saying, they knew they could do it. blah blah blah.

Thornton, Heatley, and Marleau account for almost $22 million of cap space.

Marleau had one point. (Who cares if it's the series winner. Had he showed up earlier there wouldn't have been a game 7)
Heatley had a goal and three assists.
Thornton had zero goals and 6 assists. 4 of which came on the power play.

Those guys were carried by players like Couture, Setoguchi and Clowe. (Guys who really stepped up their game in the postseason (If you're keeping score those guys together eat up less than $7 mill cap space). So it was a little hilarious to here Joe going on about how he believed. I guess the part he wasn't saying was he believed "that my teammates would save my ass."

How about throwing some more love to the guys who carried you Joe?

#2175042 Bigger Picture Question - What was the deciding factor?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 May 2011 - 12:04 PM

Logan Couture, we simply don't have second tier scoring like that with Franzen out of the lineup.

Injuries certainly didn't help and Abdelkader and Hudler were not very good.

Mostly this.

The media is probably already writing the revisionist history about how good Thornton was most of this series, but the big guns on San Jose - Thornton, Marleau and Heatley didn't do much. Pavelski too, who I feel is often a Wings killer, was pretty quiet. At the beginning of the series if you had told me those guys were limited to as few points as they were, I would definitely have liked the Wings chances.

But Clowe, Setoguchi, and Couture stepped up big time. Boyle too. Other than Thornton's faceoffs, those other guys were the heart of that team against Detroit.

Franzen, Bert, Cleary, Hudler were too injured and/or could not compete at that level. Datsyuk and Zetterberg can only do so much.

It also shows that regular season wins do matter when they give away what should be easy points. If the Wings had picked up one more win in the regular season, they would've had home ice against the Sharks. Not sure how much of a difference it would've made, but it wouldn't have hurt. Especially in game 7 when early on they were getting dominated in the faceoff circle.

#2157939 Canucks' GM Questions Officiating

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 25 April 2011 - 10:59 PM

Did he adjust the penalty calls for the Canucks gooning it up in games 4 and 5 when they were getting blown out?

#2156965 Which team had the LEAST losses on route to winning the cup?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 April 2011 - 12:42 PM

Detroit went 16-4 in 1997. (Blues 4-2, Anaheim 4-0, Colorado 4-2, Philadelphia 4-0)

That's part of why I think the 97 lineup was the most dominant of the Wings Cup-winning teams. Talented, tough, and they were on an absolute mission.


Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 April 2011 - 12:49 AM

Love the highlight of Gregory Campbell losing his stick, so he grabs Halpern's and holds onto it. Blatantly! Halpern's stick is pointing straight up in the air as he tries to hold onto it with one hand, until Campbell pulls it right out of his hand and tosses it aside.

Ahh, it must be nice to be Colin's son.

#2156040 Ruutu suspended for clean hit on Erat

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 April 2011 - 07:26 PM

Erat didn't sell it, he never made it back to the game and in other replays and sort of this one, he does target the head. One game suspension is fine, anything more I wouldn't have liked it.

Plus, this hit was well after the pass (interference was the penalty), it reminds me of the hit on Hudler a couple playoffs ago. And Ruutu is a repeat offender as well.

Sidenote: Erat isn't playing tonight due to the hit.

If he didn't get suspended, i would have been ok with it and this one game suspension is ok by me also. I like the objectivity in the title, though :rolleyes:

It was a little late, maybe, but hardly "well after the pass." Guys over on hfboards (and Bob McKenzie) have timed it out saying it was about .8 seconds after he makes the pass. The NHL standard is apparently half a second.

He got two for interference, that was enough. I think Ruutu is a gutless puke, but I don't see any evidence in that replay how that's targeting the head.

As for your sarcastic comment about the objectivity of the title, this is an internet fan forum, not a newspaper. We're all stating our opinions here. I stated mine in the title.

#2155769 WCQF Game 4 GDT: Red Wings 6 at Coyotes 3

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 April 2011 - 10:05 AM

For Babs postgame, click here Funny how its on the Coyotes website and not the Wings.

That is a little strange.

I ended up watching a lot of the postgame interviews with the Yotes players. Aside from the disappointment of losing the game, it was also really clear how screwed up it must have been to try to play for this team with all the drama that's going on off the ice. If the team is moving, ownership problems, etc. I know we give the Phoenix fans a hard time, but it really must suck for the fans there who do root for that team and want them to stay.

Also, I know I'd probably love him if he were a Wing, but Doan has always pissed me off. But hearing him in the post game interview, he seems like a pretty class act off the ice.

#2153309 WCQF Game 3 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Coyotes 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 April 2011 - 12:42 AM

Mental note to Babs... tell Big E to take off Doan's head early in Game 4. That way we don't have worry about Big E playing for the rest of the playoffs and Doan won't have to worry about going back to Winnipeg.

So who would you want to replace him with?

Big E's been solid.

#2152518 WCQF Game 3 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Coyotes 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 April 2011 - 09:44 PM

If Salei scores, I'm liking our chances.

#2152435 10 Years Ago Today in Wings Hockey

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 April 2011 - 08:40 PM

Nothing can top 2009 finals. Nothing... :flamingmad:

Honestly getting crushed by Jersey in the Finals in 95 hurt worse to me.

After all the years of trying they finally get there, and then you realize how much further they still have to go.

#2151381 Los Angeles vs. San Jose

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 April 2011 - 11:49 PM

Let's go Kings!

******* A. The Sharks definitely looked mortal tonight. And Joe Thornton has been garbage these last two games. The only time he wasn't invisible was his terrible coverage in front of his own net on Clifford's goal.

I can't believe this team scored four tonight. Wow.

Thornton played almost 23 minutes tonight. 1 SOG. -1. And like I said, standing there doing nothing when Clifford scored. Setoguchi, Couture and Pavelski have by far been their biggest offensive threats.

the Kings hardly have offensive threats, which is why I still can't believe they won 4-0.

#2151255 WCQF Game 2 GDT: Coyotes 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 April 2011 - 06:08 PM

Just finished watching the 3rd period and I have to say, I couldn't disagree with the majority more about the 5 on 3. Franzen clearly cross-checked the phoenix player and Helm interfered with Hanzal.

Don't tell me this board wouldn't be blowing up if that happened to us and the refs didn't call the coyotes on it. The refs weren't perfect as always, but those were two easy calls to make.

Blinders, people, it's not hard to take them off.

Sure those are two easy calls to make. They could've made similar calls 5 to 10 other times in that game but didn't. I don't think there's any conspiracy here, there's just zero consistency from the refs as to what constitutes a penalty.

A good ref would actually set the tone early as to what he's going to call and let go, then try to maintain that standard through the course of the game. These refs seemed to change shift to shift. Franzen's was a crosscheck, but worse had happened and not been called, and he could've just as easily taken both of them. And the Helm interference could've been called on nearly every defensive zone faceoff for either team. Add to that Hanzal actually was holding Helm's arm under his own, which was partly responsible for the takedown.

Call it that way all game, that's all I'm saying.