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#2612516 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 31 May 2015 - 12:24 PM

Oh wel.  


I'm pulling for the Lightning but unfortunately they feel like the young Cinderella team that loses to the veteran Cup team in the Finals.  



And I agree. That goal was about as kicked as you can get.  There is zero standard for this in the NHL.

#2611359 The return of The Mule?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 May 2015 - 09:33 AM

Well you weren't the one regularly insinuating that Franzen was a homosexual malingerer either.  But that didn't stop plenty of people from doing so. 
Franzen, more than any other player on our team, has been singled out for personal criticisms which have nothing whatsoever to do with his play on the ice.  It's odd to see those very same folks showing concern for his personal well being now. 
Anybody can be criticized (justifiably) for their play.  But much of the Franzen hate has gone WAY beyond level headed scrutiny.

True. But I think that starts to happen to a degree with anyone who's become a scapegoat here. Ericsson, Cleary, even Howard the second half of the season. People were acting like Clearly's objective was to singlehandedly ruin the Red Wings and that he was a greedy, terrible person.

Franzen has just been a scapegoat for a lot longer than most so the bashing has gone further afield, though honestly I don't remember a ton of criticism's that involved his personal life. Though there have been plenty of childish insults.

Sometimes as a rabid hockey fan we forget these guys are real people.

#2611355 The return of The Mule?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 May 2015 - 09:18 AM

It's amazing how much disdain this guy generated for some, and now that he's hurt and possibly retiring it's magically disappeared.

Don't worry guys, he'll come back so we can discuss buying him out again

There's a major distinction between criticizing someone as a player and not wanting them to end up braindead.

There's guys on other teams that I hate with a passion but if they take a puck to the face, I'm not cheering. I'm hoping they're ok. (And I don't even hate Franzen but he's a frustrating player at times).

I hope Franzen stays on LTIR. And it has nothing to do with his play on the ice.

#2610990 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 28 May 2015 - 09:14 AM

A couple more reasons not to want the Blackhawks to win:

1) Because of the joy it would bring Eddie "subtle interference" Olczyk. I always picture him sitting in the booth wearing his Hawks jersey.

2) Not wanting to see Duncan "I'll carve you up" Keith lift the Cup again. One of the dirtier star players in the league.

And don't get me wrong, I'd want the Ducks to lose in the finals.

#2610988 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 28 May 2015 - 09:07 AM

I realize that there's all sorts of residual hate from the rivalry (or what was left of it), but I really don't understand hating the Blackhawks and wanting teams in our conference (and particularly our division) to win.  Firstly, because f*** anybody else in our division.  But secondly, because the Hawks play (and win) EXACTLY like we used to.  They're the Red Wings.  If anybody should be able to appreciate just how good they are at what they do, it's us.  If you'd just thrown Red Wings sweaters on the Hawks last night, it could have easily been confused for the 2009 conference semis. 
Maybe that's the reason why, now that I think about it.

For me it's basically a decades old hate for the Blackhawks. It's in my DNA at this point.

And for a slightly more rational reason, the more Cups the Blackhawks win the more they move towards dynasty status and overshadow what the Wings had accomplished.

#2610159 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 25 May 2015 - 10:08 PM

If he scores a ppg during these playoffs and has a big role in them winning the championship, what do you think his chances are of making the wings roster out of camp?
Or do you think they'll keep him in grand rapids regardless?



 Given he's only 18 I have to think they're keeping him in Grand Rapids for the season regardless, barring a lot of injuries for the Wings and Larkin playing lights out.  

#2610149 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 25 May 2015 - 09:19 PM

Off to a good start.  Larkin score two tonight.  





#2610032 Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 25 May 2015 - 11:22 AM

I've been thinking about this too, was listening to MvsW the other week and they said Ovi was 9th in scoring since 1992 (NHL debut in 2005), fair to say he doesn't reach Gretzky but he might reach Bossy and Hull. Even if he doesn't, in an era where scoring is down, goalie pads are bigger etc he will surely go down as one of the greatest scorers the game has ever seen.


He also lost a season and a half to lockouts. 


Where he ends up scoring wise depends on if the trend of allowing interference continues of if the league heads back to where it was after the lockout.   He's certainly one of the greatest goal scorers the game has ever seen though. 

#2609706 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 12:57 PM

Go Ducks!


(then please lose in the next round)

#2609685 Nicklas Lidstrom co-authors scientific paper in Sweden

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 11:46 AM

Blech.  I feel like the focus on statistics and fancy stats is ruining sports for me.  It's turning away from a competition of will, luck, opportunity and whatnot and turning into a predictable pseudo-science.


I'm not a huge fan of "advanced" stats because they're so often abused, but it doesn't sound like what this is about.


And I've always thought a big part of Lidstrom's success was his ability to make the right play so consistently.  He put up a lot of points but played pretty conservatively.  Then if the Wings were down in key games is when you'd suddenly see Lids jumping into the play on offense.  He was a coach's dream because he played the percentages, and usually correctly. 

#2609684 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 11:43 AM


Ashley Dunkak @AshleyDunkak

One comment Babcock made with a smile: "My decision to leave is my decision. My wife wanted me to make that clear; it's not on her."



I was glad he said that.  I know he said it originally as a joke but the whole thing about "his wife being the boss" irked me.  


Take responsibility for your decision.  Even if it is your wife saying no way in hell I'm going to Buffalo, you still say it was your decision and not put it on her.  

#2609680 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 11:37 AM

The Leafs offered him $50,000,000 --and-- Red Wings offered him $20,000,000.


If I hear another thing about Shanahan's "persuasiveness" or ability to sign the "big whale" - I'm going to absolutely... do nothing different because this is the exact same thing I hear everyday in the ridiculous market.


It sounds like term was a big deal too.  Holland offered him 5 years, which honestly is a lot for a coach who's already been there 10 years.  I don't fault Kenny for not offering longer at all and have to wonder if even that was a bit long. 


But Babcock is 52.  He just signed a contract that will guarantee his employment until he's 60 years old and for much better money.   He faces a massive challenge in Toronto but it sounds like that's what he wanted. 


Honestly this feels kind of like when Shanny moved on.  The team could still use him but mostly likely will be fine without him and it will hopefully help trigger a new era for the Red Wings.  

#2609229 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 08:41 PM


Except Calgary did so in 2004 and Edmonton did so in 2006.  Three consecutive seasons where it happened (unfortunately all at our expense.   :glare: )


None of these teams had repeated successes in the following seasons.  That was just a weird mini-era during that three or four year run.  You can throw the 2002 Hurricanes in there as well.  


So your proof that it was a fluke run is that it happened three times in a row?  Makes sense.   :eh:


It wasn't some magical era when any team with a hot goalie could make it to game 7 of the finals. That line of reasoning is overly simplistic.  If you seriously think of the runs of Calgary, the Oilers, the Ducks and Hurricanes as basically all the same, I really don't know what to say other than it seems like you're starting with your premise and then grabbing any information to support it.  Or maybe as a Wings fan it's easier to accept them as fluke upsets?  I really don't know. 


I get that you don't like Babcock.  I'm not arguing he's the absolute best coach in the league or that he was the best fit for the Wings next season.   It's just amusing to see how far people will stretch reality to discredit his accomplishments. 

I'm not one bit disappointed at the turn of events. Shocked at the number but that is the Leafs culture. I'm actually excited about our future.

One of the best zingers I read, as per Leafs' culture, management already working on buyout for Babcock.


The best one I saw was that it was hard for Detroit to compete with because Toronto was offering an extra months vacation. 

#2609133 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 03:58 PM


They hardly scored any goals during those playoffs.  It really was Giguere's doing more than anyone else's.  Limiting scoring chances in that era wasn't hard as a 2-0 lead spelled doom for the losing team.  Doesn't work that way today, which is why Price and Lundqvist have less cups than Crawford and Niemi.  


The Ducks were one of four consecutive teams from the era to be underdog jobber teams that made the SCF.  I had a good thread on this lately on hfboards.  Three of those teams relied entirely on the goalie to save their bacon.     


The Ducks were a 7 seed in 2003 and didn't even make the playoffs the following season.  


Right. They didn't score a lot of goals because they weren't a talented team.  


That doesn't anymore prove that it's because of Giguere than it does Babcock's coaching a good system with a not very talented team.  And don't get me wrong, Giguere played amazing well that playoff run.  But that alone doesn't get you to game 7 of the Cup finals.  To completely discount the coach is absurd, especially given a team with as little talent as the Ducks had.


2003 was one of Giguere's best regular seasons and absolutely his best playoffs. The system is a part of that, especially with a big positional goaltender like he was. Like with Smith in Phoenix (though his fall off was more extreme).


Since it was apparently all Giguere, it's weird how a smart GM like Holland hired Babcock instead of trying to trade for the goalie that carried him to the Finals.

#2609079 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 02:27 PM

I do not fault Babcock at all for taking that unprecedented contract. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with Toronto and how he handles the pressure. Boy have Detroit sports taken a beating lately with having their talent poached away. I am glad the Babcock drama is finally over with. It is time for the club to move forward and promote Blashill.


I wish the draft pick rule was in place 10 years ago.  I'm trying to remember exactly how many people the Wings would've gotten picks for.