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#2531410 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:23 PM


I sure as hell hope not. People want Blashill to take his place so bad. I'd love for him to eventually become Bab's assistant for a couple years again first, before eventually becoming the #1 bench boss. 


I'm just saying Babs still hasn't signed an extension, has he?  And there's a lot of teams right now that would be more interesting to coach than what Babcock has had to work with in Detroit the last few years. 

#2531276 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

For me it was a tossup between Sammy at 2 years with a NTC and a raise, and Tootoo at $1.9 mill for 3 years.  


Sammy's was frustrating because it was Holland's classic move of returning to a former Red Wing when they're past their prime, then throw in the contract. 


But Tootoo's was completely baffling because he overpaid for a 4th liner that his coach had little interest in using (which I agree with).  It's not like Tootoo was a different player for the Wings.  They knew what they were getting, paid too much, then didn't use him. 

#2531272 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

To be fair, going back the last 4 playoffs, Cleary has more points than Franzen. 



(I keep repeating that stat because I still can't believe it's true). 



I was and still am a big Cleary fan.  I can't fault the guy for still wanting to play hockey with the Wings.  But they should not have re-signed him. 

#2531095 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

I'm assuming the bonus is tied to some minimum number of games played with the Wings. 


Still, I am shocked by this deal.  Even if it's a two-way deal, I wasn't expecting that kind of money.  I think when Maltby did it, it was something like $500k. 


I would rather Holland put that money towards retaining some of Kindl's salary in a trade.  

#2531090 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:43 PM

As a moderator here, I'm just glad the Wings didn't announce the re-signing of Quincey and Cleary on the same day.  

#2531019 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 12:29 PM

I wonder how Keith feels right now. As a UFA his salary could hit the stratosphere, but now he's stuck making literally half of his fellow leaders on the team for similar term, and is their second highest paid Dman. Cheers to Keith for being a team player. 


As for next year Chicago has 15 players signed (10F 3D 2G) and just a little over 3mil in cap room.


It's hard for me to feel sorry for Keith.  He's overrated as a defenseman and a dirty player.  


Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good Dman, but 2 time norris winner??  If 5 years ago you would've told me Keith would win 2 Norris trophies and Weber wouldn't have any, I would've thought you were nuts.

Chicago will be taken apart next year.


that's what we said last time. 

#2530357 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 July 2014 - 09:33 AM

I don't see it happening this year.  Dominating in the QMJHL isn't equal to dominating in the AHL, and neither necessarily translate to success in the NHL.  The Wings are also saturated with forwards, and I just don't see Babcock and Holland trusting Mantha with a full-time roster spot after observing him for a couple scrimmages over players who have already demonstrated competency at the NHL level throughout the previous season(s). 

BUT what is exciting is the potential for this kid is really high.  I was looking at the QMJHL stats from last year, and two other names besides Mantha popped out at me.  Jonathon Drouin, who actually had a higher ppg than Mantha, but only played in 46 games, and Nikolaj Ehlers, who was the only rookie in the top 20 in scoring, and was actually 4th league-wide with 104 points in 63 games.  Drouin was drafted by the Lightning 3rd overall in the 2013 draft.  Ehlers was drafed by the Jets 9th overall in 2014.  Meanwhile, the Red Wings drafted Mantha 20th overall, and this kid is putting up similar numbers as these other top draft picks whom he's playing against.  These other two kids are also under 6 feet, while Mantha is already around 6'5". So if I had to bet on who would be most likely to continue to succeed in bigger and tougher leagues, I would go with Mantha.


Agreed . There's a lot to be excited about with Mantha but we'll know a lot more when he gets some games in the AHL.  


at 6'5" 205 lbs in the QMJHL he was a men among boys, playing with other mostly smaller 18, 19 and 20 year olds.  

#2530248 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.


The Oates trade was definitely worse. 




Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.


Don't forget Adam Graves, Klima and Sharples for Jimmy Carson. 


The Wings don't have a great track record when it comes to trading guys named Adam. 

#2529956 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2014 - 12:31 PM

You do realize he's normal right. He's fully recovered and is capable of making decisions for himself, the fact that his lawyers whisper all the right things in his ears is his own fault.


No, I don't.  Do you have a source confirming that? Because from what I've read he still has serious cognitive limitations as a result of the incident. 




I'm not saying I agree with the number he's asking for in the lawsuit.  I doubt that he would've been some genius financial expert, but it sure sounds like he can't hold a lot of other jobs he would've been qualified for because of his symptoms.  Then throw on top of that his lost earnings from a potential NHL career.  


I agree with frankgrimes, the NHL should've settled this and put this behind them years ago.  Instead they allegedly withheld the $220,000 disability payment Moore was owed under the CBA unless he signed a clause saying he wouldn't sue the NHL or any franchises.  And let this lawsuit drag on and rear its ugly head over and over for 10 years now.  


What a terrible decision by the league.  

#2529791 Forum Rules Refresher. PLEASE READ

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 July 2014 - 02:17 PM

Since it's the offseason and also because of what's been going on since the free agent signings, it's a good time to remind everyone of some of the forum rules. 


I've posted a few warnings in threads but wanted to put a reminder where everyone will see it.



From the forum rules:


· DO post a link reference (or cite the TV/radio source) when reporting breaking news, reports, etc. Threads started without this information may be deleted or moved.


When posting a trade or signing, please provide a link to a reputable source as confirmation. This time of year people often make fake twitter accounts so make sure the tweet you're linking to is a verified account from a reputable source.



· DO post constructively. If you can't add anything meaningful to a discussion, don't bother.


Before hitting reply, just take a second to think about what impact your post will have on the discussion.  Is it making it better or worse?



· DON'T post duplicate topics. Before posting your new thread be sure to check the first two pages of the forum to make sure the topic isn't already being discussed. Multiple violations of this rule by a single member is punishable by temporary suspension from the forums.



· DON'T post false and/or misleading topics. Members caught doing so will be banned IMMEDIATELY with NO chance of reinstatement.


The punishment may seem severe but if people start posting fake trade threads, the forum becomes total chaos.  LGW should be a resource for solid hockey talk and information.  



· DO refrain from using vulgar language. There is a curse/bad word filter currently on the forum and members that purposely attempt to circumvent this filter will be subject to a suspension of account privileges.


No alternate spellings.  No blanking some of the letters.  Let the profanity filter do its job.



· DON'T personally attack other members. This includes name-calling, flame-baiting, etc.. If you can't discuss your point with maturity then don't discuss it. People that violate this rule will be dealt with swiftly.


In short, debate the content of someone's argument, not the person themselves.  


This includes broad insults against people on this forum and their level of fandom.  Like it or not, complaining about the Red Wings can be on topic.  If you don't like it, don't read it.  If they've clearly violated forum rules, report it to bring it to a moderators attention.  If you really don't like anything a person here has to say, you can put that member on your ignore list.




As I've said before, this forum relies entirely on content generated from its members.  You are all the authors of this forum, so it will only be as good or bad as you make it.  The ultimate goal of all of these rules is not to punish people, but to make LGW a source of lively, respectful, informed discussion. 






(link to the full forum rules for reference)



#2529439 Wings sign Kevin Porter to 1-year, 2-way contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 July 2014 - 12:00 PM

People are complaining about signing a C for the Griffins?


No. It's all about timing.  


Everyone was anxiously awaiting Holland to make some big signing for the Red Wings.  That didn't happen, then this gets tweeted among all the big UFA names.  


If this came out in a couple days headlined "Holland signs center for the Griffins to a two-way contract," it would've provoked a very different response. 

#2529054 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 07:38 PM


How does he replace Lidstrom and Rafalski? Those guys can't be replaced.


Rafalski is replaceable.  Lidstrom, not so much.  


Which is why you don't try and replace Lidstrom with one guy.  You have to re-evaluate how the whole team is built, because Lids was the keystone of it.  Then you make adjustments and give the team a new identity.  


Since Lidstrom retired, the Wings are basically the same kind of team only with a massive hole in the blueline and with Dats, Z, and Franzen no longer in their prime. 

#2528922 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 06:33 PM

Damn you Kenny Holland...you offered better contracts but didn't do some kind of voodoo s*** to get guys to come here....seriously, WTF do you want Holland to do?   He made better or equal offers and lost players to teams that are no better or worse than we are. 


What exactly should he do? 


I want Holland to do his job well.  He's been flailing over the last several years.   The reason they're not coming here is because players aren't excited at the prospect of playing for the Red Wings anymore.  That's on Holland.


No one is saying his job isn't extremely difficult, but it's that way for 29 other GM's.  As I said in another thread, replace Holland's name with Dan Cleary.  Cleary outworks just about everyone on the team which is admirable but he simply doesn't get the results to be competitive at the NHL level.  


Is that acceptable because he's a great guy who's trying with everything he's got?   


I don't care how hard Holland tried.  Results matter.  He's not getting any.

#2528879 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 06:22 PM

Please continue Quincey discussion/lamenting here. 



#2528819 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

Holland's quote on the free agent bust:

"We don't know why they're not coming here".



It's pretty simple.  The Red Wings don't seem like one of the top competitive teams or a team with a lot of potential headed in the right direction. 



This team continues to have no identity post-Lidstrom.