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#2609684 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 11:43 AM

 

Ashley Dunkak @AshleyDunkak

One comment Babcock made with a smile: "My decision to leave is my decision. My wife wanted me to make that clear; it's not on her."

 

 

I was glad he said that.  I know he said it originally as a joke but the whole thing about "his wife being the boss" irked me.  

 

Take responsibility for your decision.  Even if it is your wife saying no way in hell I'm going to Buffalo, you still say it was your decision and not put it on her.  




#2609680 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 May 2015 - 11:37 AM

The Leafs offered him $50,000,000 --and-- Red Wings offered him $20,000,000.

 

If I hear another thing about Shanahan's "persuasiveness" or ability to sign the "big whale" - I'm going to absolutely... do nothing different because this is the exact same thing I hear everyday in the ridiculous market.

 

It sounds like term was a big deal too.  Holland offered him 5 years, which honestly is a lot for a coach who's already been there 10 years.  I don't fault Kenny for not offering longer at all and have to wonder if even that was a bit long. 

 

But Babcock is 52.  He just signed a contract that will guarantee his employment until he's 60 years old and for much better money.   He faces a massive challenge in Toronto but it sounds like that's what he wanted. 

 

Honestly this feels kind of like when Shanny moved on.  The team could still use him but mostly likely will be fine without him and it will hopefully help trigger a new era for the Red Wings.  




#2609229 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 08:41 PM

 

Except Calgary did so in 2004 and Edmonton did so in 2006.  Three consecutive seasons where it happened (unfortunately all at our expense.   :glare: )

 

None of these teams had repeated successes in the following seasons.  That was just a weird mini-era during that three or four year run.  You can throw the 2002 Hurricanes in there as well.  

 

So your proof that it was a fluke run is that it happened three times in a row?  Makes sense.   :eh:

 

It wasn't some magical era when any team with a hot goalie could make it to game 7 of the finals. That line of reasoning is overly simplistic.  If you seriously think of the runs of Calgary, the Oilers, the Ducks and Hurricanes as basically all the same, I really don't know what to say other than it seems like you're starting with your premise and then grabbing any information to support it.  Or maybe as a Wings fan it's easier to accept them as fluke upsets?  I really don't know. 

 

I get that you don't like Babcock.  I'm not arguing he's the absolute best coach in the league or that he was the best fit for the Wings next season.   It's just amusing to see how far people will stretch reality to discredit his accomplishments. 


I'm not one bit disappointed at the turn of events. Shocked at the number but that is the Leafs culture. I'm actually excited about our future.

One of the best zingers I read, as per Leafs' culture, management already working on buyout for Babcock.

 

The best one I saw was that it was hard for Detroit to compete with because Toronto was offering an extra months vacation. 




#2609133 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 03:58 PM

 

They hardly scored any goals during those playoffs.  It really was Giguere's doing more than anyone else's.  Limiting scoring chances in that era wasn't hard as a 2-0 lead spelled doom for the losing team.  Doesn't work that way today, which is why Price and Lundqvist have less cups than Crawford and Niemi.  

 

The Ducks were one of four consecutive teams from the era to be underdog jobber teams that made the SCF.  I had a good thread on this lately on hfboards.  Three of those teams relied entirely on the goalie to save their bacon.     

 

The Ducks were a 7 seed in 2003 and didn't even make the playoffs the following season.  

 

Right. They didn't score a lot of goals because they weren't a talented team.  

 

That doesn't anymore prove that it's because of Giguere than it does Babcock's coaching a good system with a not very talented team.  And don't get me wrong, Giguere played amazing well that playoff run.  But that alone doesn't get you to game 7 of the Cup finals.  To completely discount the coach is absurd, especially given a team with as little talent as the Ducks had.

 

2003 was one of Giguere's best regular seasons and absolutely his best playoffs. The system is a part of that, especially with a big positional goaltender like he was. Like with Smith in Phoenix (though his fall off was more extreme).

 

Since it was apparently all Giguere, it's weird how a smart GM like Holland hired Babcock instead of trying to trade for the goalie that carried him to the Finals.




#2609079 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 02:27 PM

I do not fault Babcock at all for taking that unprecedented contract. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with Toronto and how he handles the pressure. Boy have Detroit sports taken a beating lately with having their talent poached away. I am glad the Babcock drama is finally over with. It is time for the club to move forward and promote Blashill.

 

I wish the draft pick rule was in place 10 years ago.  I'm trying to remember exactly how many people the Wings would've gotten picks for.  




#2609072 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 02:21 PM

 

I blame Babcock for continuing to use E as a #2 just much as I blame Holland for not getting us another dman. It wasn't working yet Babs continued to put him out there.

 

I always saw that as making the best of what is a thin defensive corps.

 

Ericsson shouldn't be a #2 guy, but Dekeyser was actually 2nd on the team in terms of minutes.  If you look at even strength minutes, Ericsson was 4th on the depth chart, which is about where he should be. 

 

If you make Kronwall Dekeyser the top pair that's certainly better on paper, but it doesn't do great things for the other pairings.  I think Ericsson was "good enough" to survive with Kronwall on the top pair and left more options for the other pairings. 




#2609015 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:44 PM

Phil Kessel, do you know what backchecking is? 

 

No? Welcome to the 4th line. 




#2609005 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:39 PM

 

I had the same thought. Toronto front office could turn into its own soap opera. Especially if the team is losing as they are expected to do.

 

I think you mean remain a soap opera.




#2608971 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:26 PM

 

Really?

 

goalie_jean_giguere.jpg

 

 

What did he accomplish his other seasons there?  

 

That's why the Habs are a lock to win the Cup this year, right? 

 

Babcock was there two seasons.  He took a no talent team and a hot goaltender to within a win of the Cup.  Giguere played great but to pretend it was all Giguere is inaccurate.  Part of the reason he played so well was the system around him that was all about puck control and limiting scoring chances.  Sound familiar?  




#2608940 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:16 PM

What would be really funny is if this is the offseason that Kenny finally lands a couple big free agents.  :P




#2608925 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:10 PM

Lol no way Babs last half that contract.

 

That's what I was thinking.  That he's nuts to agree to that term. 

 

Then remembered he still gets paid even if they fire him.  




#2608923 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

Good luck Babs and thanks for the Cup. 

 

I hope you're at least smart enough not to take the GM job too.




#2608920 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:07 PM

Let's us not forget that during that 2007 year, where we needed just a bit more goal scoring, Babcock nixed the trade to bring Fedorov back at the deadline.  We ended up losing to the Sharks in the WCF and could have won the series in game 6 if someone could've score ONE DAMN POWERPLAY GOAL...

 

not bashing Babcock, but that, again, is another example of his ego.

 

According to Ken Holland, that story is false. 

 

The Blue Jackets wanted Flip and a prospect.  Kenny kicked the tires a bit but sounds like it never got serious. 




#2608881 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 12:54 PM

So, how would an 8 million/year signing affect say, Quenville's next contract? Especially if he wins another cup?

 

If Babcock really goes to the Leafs for 8 mill a year as coach/GM, his only victory may be the massive pay raise he gave himself and coaches around the league. 

 

 

Still, I'm not believing anything anyone is reporting at this point until it's triple confirmed. 




#2608797 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 12:05 PM

Bit of a shocker, all along it was Det and Buff ... now this morning, Det and Buff are out and it is Leafs, Blues, or Sharks ??!!

 

Out of those 3, I think Blues would be his best option if he truly wants to win now.  Shocked that Toronto is still in the mix.  

 

It just confirms for me that no one really has an inside scoop on this or knows what's actually going on other than Babcock and the teams involved.