It's seriously just really starting to piss me off seeing anything the management of this team says to the press...
"(Nyquist's) job, and no different tonight if I were him, he's still allowed to go back to the minors, is be so good tonight that you put so much pressure on the coach and the manger that they have to do something about it." - Mike Babcock
Are you f****** kidding me!? So what about all the dead weight on this team that's allowed to roam free because they're "warriors" and provide a "veteran presence". These "kids" have put pressure on management, but you've turned a blind eye. Dan Cleary is on the top line!? Are you slow, Mike? Tatar has proven he's got better hands than 70% of the team, and Dan f****** Cleary is on the top line!?
Great way to handle the future of your team. "You better score a hat trick tonight, otherwise you get to go rot in the AHL." Meanwhile, the dynamic veteran duo of Dan Cleary and Mikael Samuelsson have a whopping 2 goals over 31 games played. If players in the draft aren't already weary about being taken by Detroit, they should be after this year. They're not just letting these kids get overripe anymore, they're flat out misusing them.
I'm seriously beginning to think that management is so arrogant that they won't fix something until it's too late.
EDIT: Put Babcock's quote in Comic Sans font because it seemed appropriate.
As I said in the Nyquist thread, I understand why people are pissed about the Nyquist situation, but are letting their rage taint what Babcock is saying here.
It's the reality of the situation. And if you read between the lines, if anything he's probably implying that he plays so good that Holland can't possibly justify sending him back down.
Nyquist is screwed because of the roster situation Holland put together. He's the victim of his contract status.
Babcock isn't threatening Nyquist that if he doesn't play well he gets buried in the minors. He's just stating the obvious.
That the dream is that Nyquist plays so unbelievably great that even Holland can't justify burying the kid in the minors anymore, no matter what it does to the roster. That the waste of talent and loss to the Red Wings would become so glaringly obvious, the outcry from the coaches, players, and fans so great, that Holland would have to make a drastic roster move to remedy his mistakes and get the kid up with the team.
How much cap relief would the wings get from waiving cleary?
I think they'd get $925,000. Even if Holland were inclined to do that it seems extremely unlikely. Aside from admitting his mistake, it sets a bad precedent to sign a player, especially someone who took less money to come back to play with the Wings, then waive him two months into the season.
f*** babs... honestly Nyquist knows that he needs to perform - babs doesn't need to publicly announce this s***. He is only putting more pressure. Babs has nof****** clue how to motivate kids versus vets. Kids just need opportunity (and not be pressured heavily with the threat of imminent failure). Cleary might respond to some threats babs... try them on him next time instead of benching him for 1 game with no change.
I understand people are frustrated with the Nyquist situation but don't you think this is a bit of an overreaction?
Babcock wasn't threatening Nyquist. He was stating the obvious. Given Nyquist has 2 games left and the wings ridiculous roster situation, he would have to absolutely dominate for them to even consider keeping him and dealing with all the roster and cap implications.
I'm guessing Babcock is as frustrated as most people here are regarding Nyquist. The Wings need offense and he can provide it. Yet he's in the minors because of Holland's contracts.
Babcock on Nyquist:
“He was a good player for us last year and a key for us on our second-unit power play,'' Babcock said. "Played real well for us in the playoffs.
"He’s quick, generates offense, gives us another skilled player to play on our top six, which is real positive for us. We knew all along that we were going to try to get him here; we just financially had no way to do that. It’s great to see him here.”
I do. Babcock basically said as much today. He's an emergency call up, so it doesn't affect his 2 game limit. Babcock essentially said Nyquist has to the blow the roof off the joint to ensure he stays in the lineup. Hard to imagine they won't send him down if they went to the trouble to make him an emergency call-up so they wouldn't be forced to keep him up.
Even if he scored a hat trick they'd almost certainly send him down, painful as that would be. I'm not totally clear on all the implications but I think Nyquist losing his eligibility would handcuff the roster even more than it already is.
I'm less inclined to blame Babcock for this as I am to blame Holland. Holland signs the players. He's the one who has tirelessly held into useless old plugs instead of opening roster spots for valuable young players that can provide secondary scoring. This team should be one of the better ones in the league. Instead, we are one of the most inconsistent at best, and at worst, we have been the one of the worst teams in hockey over the past 7 games. With a few roster moves, we could improve vastly. Instead, we are forced, as fans, to accept the same ridiculous status quo that has been established by Holland's over-loyalty and complacency.
Honestly I think the worst part is that Holland has put himself in a position where he can't make any moves to try and fix his mistakes.
Like I've said before, Holland has been the master at tinkering the Red Wings machine he inherited. A piece here and there to keep it running. But as the machine is falling apart and needed an overhaul (and lost the engine in Nick Lidstrom), he's being exposed.
There isn't anything more un-american than a tie. If you think a tie is an acceptable outcome to a competition, maybe you should watch soccer. Or tic-tac-toe. Personally, I like the shootout. At least that way, at the end of overtime, I know that I won't go home with blue balls.
A tie was an acceptable outcome for the first 20+ years I watched hockey. In Detroit. In America. And is how the game has been played for decades before that.
One could just as easily argue that the NHL got rid of ties to appeal to fans who lack a deep understanding of the game, where the need for a winner is more important than having that winner actually decided by playing hockey. Ones who are ok with teams being awarded a point for losing.
The shootout also cemented the need for the loser point, which inflates standings and artificially forces parity. As a result you have an artificially constructed event to determine the outcome of the game that also artificially influences the standings.
So I see your jingoistic tripe and raise you the integrity of the game.
It was from a Wings Facebook page. I don't have a twitter account, so I copied the image link. Never said if it was true or not...
That doesn't absolve you from responsibility.
If you're going to post what looks like a tweet from Dreger's account that certainly looks true, it's still your responsibility to determine that it is before you post it. It would've taken 30 seconds to verify this tweet.
I don't excuse Kindl of his bad mistakes. But if you seriously are comparing this season's Kindl to Quincey it's not even close. I know of 3 occasions Quincey has lost us the game. Quincey doesn't get PP time because we would be in our zone the entire time if that happened, it's already hard enough to get something going.
Quincey has 2 points in 19GP, posting a -10 in that span (the worst on the Wings btw) with 16PIM.
Kindl has made bad plays also, has 6 points in 19GP, posting a -5 in that span with 8PIM.
I would venture to bet one of those three games you're including is the overtime loss against Tampa. Quincey turns the puck over behind the net, but Kindl was the one who inexplicably followed Quincey behind the net, leaving his man and the front of the net wide open for Purcell to bury the game winner. It took both of them to screw that one up completely.
And you could just as easily argue that Kindl doesn't get PK time because the puck would end up in his own net so much.
They've both been pretty awful. Together they're a nightmare.
And the gap between them isn't nearly as big as you make it sound.
Seriously this. Such a crappy thing to do to a guy who doesn't even deserve to be waived in the first place. Maybe he's just embarassed because he realizes this is all his own stupid fault. This is becoming beyond frustrating.
If it is true it makes you wonder what the hell is going on with management now. This situation is stupid enough but to have a guy find out form the media that he's going on waivers?
"Hard to complain about anything, great game from start to finish, everyone was good out there".
You seriously can not say those comments after a loss.
In the context of the other things he said it's not quite so bad.
He can't keep trashing the team to the press every loss. It's not like he's saying this is acceptable. But he saw progress. I think the key is the section I bolded.
"We didn’t win but I thought we played good. I liked our game today, start to finish,'' Babcock said. "We made some mistakes ... but I liked our penalty kill, I liked our power play, I liked our game. I feel real good.
"I know we’d like to get the second point but I liked the way we played. To me it’s going in the right direction. It’s real positive game for us.’’
I can somewhat see what he's saying. This team is hanging around these games but making key mistakes that lose them. They're not going to be a team that dominates with their talent level, but if they can improve enough to hang on and end up on the other side of more of these close games, then they're in pretty good shape.