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Words can't describe how horrible this is.

I'm wondering now if the presser will be cancelled in light of what happened with Lokomotiv. Crosby's will he/won't he BS pales in comparison to importance of that.

you dick, just think of all that oxygen you're stealing from emphysema patients right now!

And here I thought that all those Hot-N-Ready pizzas I was buying were helping support the Wings.

A sponsorship with Cialis would make as much sense.

· Members are discouraged from posting in a thread in which you have nothing to constructively add. Such posts tend to simply clutter up and bloat the size of the thread while also lowering the quality of the discussion. The topic at hand is a press conference; can we please discuss that?

Please tell me you're a troll.

In light of the whining of the attention Crosby is getting (ignoring that it's still the off season and hockey writers need something to write about to make money), I shall re-invoke the old parody of QQCrosby I made:

Maybe it's to announce that it has been discovered that Crosby was taking banned substances and the 2009 Cup victory is null and void.

"Eklund is an idiot".. you just now figure that out?

Unless it's to announce his retirement, I see no need for a freakin' press conference.

The Euro Twins! (When Babs puts em together) When those two are both out there and healthy, the have chemistry that equals any other 1-2 Punch in the league

Wow, straw man, wow. If you're going to go there, I guess I will to while further defending my position on this matter. The ideas of holding Amway responsible for their part in running a sleazy, manipulative business and holding individuals joining in that business responsible for their actions are not mutually exclusive. By no means would I suggest that all the Amway "IBO's" are any more victims of Amway's schemes as they are their own greed and gullibility. Ask any friend of mine that's gotten involved and then out of Amway if I ever gave them a pass and they'll tell you flat out that I didn't hold any punches in making them acknowledge what went profoundly wrong in their thought process. The main colossal flaw in your perspective is very simple to illustrate. Just consider drug dealers and drug addicts. Is anyone in their right mind going to pronounce the drug dealer innocent by virtue of capitalism and the drug addicts guilty because they made the choice to buy the drugs? Does that make any sense at all? I don't think so. Few things in life are black and white. Is it not possible that both have slipped up here? And in an effort to address a general problem, is it not reasonable to want to look for root causes? Is it not reasonable to objectively evaluate the whole of a problem to better understand it? Surely no more unreasonable than seemingly suggesting that we shouldn't criticize Amway, again, seemingly by virtue of the positive economic and social benefits of the capitalist system in general, as a wrong-doer. The only thing black and white about this topic to me is that there are a lot of people running the scheme and placing their hope on the scheme that are making harmful choices. The primary difference between the runners and the participants though is that for the most part, in the short-term, an Amway "IBO" is making choices that hurt themselves. But Amway's decision to resort to a business model that clearly is centered around exploiting people's weaknesses and circumventing people's typical consumer defenses. It's a business model that is underhanded and predatory. And lumping Amway in with capitalists is disrespectful to the essence of capitalism. The product Amway is most profiting on is (false) hope. The "products" you supposedly join Amway to sell are almost entirely purchased by and for the Amway IBO's, though internally you're simply "investing into your business." All the while you're also pouring more money into your Amway membership, a never-ending supply of "motivational and educational" material to help you grow your business, conferences to further inspire you, and if you manage to wind up sticking with it long enough to get some people under you, you're buying their "consumer products" too, and by that I mean far too often, the people under you that you're purchasing the vitamins for don't pay up. Nothing you can do about that. Oh well, just chalk it up to an "investment in your business." Bottom line, Amway is anything but a commendable capitalist venture. No corporation or business is perfect, but usually most businesses are actually trying to offer an actual product or service that is of some tangible substance to someone. And what truly is great about capitalism is that if you have a great product that a lot of people want, you will be rewarded for producing and selling it, and I take no issue with this concept at all. But again, when looked at wholistically and objectively, it's clear that Amway is not producing a product that offers consumers much in terms of utility. Indeed, their primary product, the hope and the dream, is essentially vaporware, to use the word generally. Furthermore, they have engineered their system to trip people's defenses up by infiltrating organizations, churches, clubs, basically any group of people that already has a built-in trust factor. They use that trust and social pressure against people, as well as every other little trick to take advantage of the less noble aspects of human nature. They know this. They've spent years crafting their "drug," and just as much time pin-pointing the easiest targets. They know exactly what they're doing. Again, it's predatory and underhanded. You can easily dig deeper and mine up plenty of information to suggest that their ill-informed financial choices hurt the society and economy on whole as well. Just like all the terrible real-estate loans given out in the late-90's that came back to haunt us in 2008, people made poor personal decisions that ended up hurting the economy and society on whole. In that case as well, it's absurd and illogical to only blame the banks for offering the loans or only blame those taking the loans for taking more than they could expect to reasonably handle. All parties involved made poor decisions. I don't care who you are or what side you're on, if you're making poor decisions, you're part of the problem. By this reasonable logic, I conclude that Amway is very much part of the problem. They are not the whole of the problem and their part in it does not minimize the role of personal responsibility at all. But they are the purveyors of a blatantly crooked business model that has been shown time and time again to have a tremendous negative effect on people's lives. That matter has nothing to do with capitalism, and as clearly illustrated, the logic that justifies their actions by virtue of capitalism opens plenty of doors to effects that I absolutely guarantee would send you crying to your knees if they came knocking on your doorstep. Quite simply, Amway does infinitely more harm than good for society. Most any reasonable, objective, informed person can logically understand and defend that accusation. To many of us, the logical side of it as well as the emotional side of having to deal with friends and family who's lives were devastated by joining Amway leave us with nothing but contempt and disgust for Amway. That is why we don't want to have a team we love have much of anything to do with Amway if at all possible, let alone having to incessantly read and hear "the Detroit Red Wings presented by Amway." The Detroit Red Wings, one of the classiest organizations in all of sports, presented by Amway, a company always bound to be one of the scummiest on any list of sleazy businesses. The whole idea is nothing short of utterly disgraceful.

What a great idea for a thread! I can tell the OP is really knowledgeable about hockey history. I agree with pretty much the whole list. Meh, I guess no one wants to discuss NHL history on a holiday.

It is NOT ok to be fat. It is unhealthy. It has nothing to do with bias. If you are fat you are not healthy and in 99% of the cases it is preventable. None of the things you mentioned above are preventable. Your comparison is not valid. This is exactly the problem. Society wants to compare being fat with a disability. Granted that there are a small % of people that because of medical reasons are pre-destined to be fat but they are in a small minority. Most of the people just don't eat right and exercise enough and that should be discouraged.

In case you haven't been paying attention...It is now socially acceptable to be fat. THAT is the real problem.

...if i wouldnt have smoked pot every dingle day in high school

I agree. Also, victory is sweeter when you beat a worthy opponent.

As much as i hate him, i love the rivalry and don't want to see such a good players career end this way.

The Red wings have come to terms on a restructured deal with Pavel Datsyuk ,this new deal will save the wings 6 million in cap space and move pavel to the fourth line where he will move into the enforcer role where he seems to have a lot of fun.

nm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/What-do-you-expect-Sidney-Crosby-to-say-at-press;_ylt=ApXq1w7hCOnTT5eTVgFrwe97vLYF?urn=nhl-wp11933 "We asked the Penguins if they would squash retirement speculation on the record; they declined, saying they wouldn't confirm nor deny anything about the nature of the press conference." The Penguins are holding a press conference with Crosby. As far as I can tell it will be at 12:30 tomorrow. I really hope it's not a major announcement like him missing the season, but if it's not why the press conference with advanced notice? I can't remember a team ever calling a press conference with a player just to discuss an injury rehab no matter who it is. I have a feeling this could be bad...

Here's a problem with being fat that affects everyone: It is gluttonous. Fat people don't need all that food. There are billions of people on this planet starving, and being fat and eating more than you need not only steals a meal off a starving child's plate in Africa or India, but indirectly raises food prices domestically. If you think that is ok, then you need a lesson in ethics.