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So if our power play is our enforcer and we can't score on the power play does that mean that we can stop saying that the PP is the enforcer? I don't want to read one post about revenge or bringing up Tootoo either. I want the Wings Holland wants on paper to finish out the season. It becomes obvious against teams like Ottawa, Toronto, and Boston that the Holland Euro-skill system will not work in the East over a full season. We need to get bigger, tougher, and less pretty. 1996-97 all over again. Datsyuk and the Wings were tossed all over the ice all night. It was a shameful game in all facets. The PP made me want to kill a puppy. The diving was pathetic and we can't blame the refs for non-calls when we get that many powerplays.

Where the f*** is Tootoo?? Oh right he is with the Griffins because Samuelsson is so valuable...

f*** that, we had 3 5 on 3's... The Wing's defense and goaltending are s***, and the forward group can't score. Team simply sucks at the moment

Balls

I couldn't agree more with this. The Wings got pushed around and quit playing the game. Neil ran around all night intimidating the wings then pursued one of our young D into a fight he didn't want to be in. Z was roughed up and Pavel was beat down all night. Not one of the Red Wings stood up or helped out their teammates. Ericsson, Quincey, Abby where were you? If Abby won't help out and push back in a game like that he can be waived as well. Holland and co have a week to figure out what to do before our next meeting with them. and don't think every team in the league saw how the Wings folded last night as well

WTF is wrong with this team??? Their top player and arguably the best in the world gets elbowed in the head and not one sorry ass player does anything about it. I don't care if there is a suspension or not what i want to see is the team stand up for themselves and one another at the point when the incident happens, there is something fundamentally wrong with this team and their principles. Illitch should just relocate them to Sweden and let them play over there and Holland will be the happiest man alive. Im sorry to derail the thread but it infuriates me to watch this team and their complete lack of heart and toughness.

Smith got balls.

I've made my points on Quincey. He's a flaming bag of s*** on someones porch. But if not for Hollands poor management, how good could this team be? Quincey: 3.775 cap hit, 3 assists in 24 GP -14 Cleary: 1.75 cap hit 1G 2A in 23 GP +1 Samuelsson: 3.00 cap hit 1G 1A in 12 GP -1 Miller: 1.35 cap hit 1G 1A in 24 GP -8 Tootoo: 1.9 cap hit 0G 0A in 8GP -4 Eaves: 1.2 cap hit 0G 0A in 3 GP -2 12.975mil tied up in 6 guys who don't really do much. Could plugging in affordable kids and spending money more wisely on secondary scoring have really made us worse? Obviously not. As a saving grace, 4 of them are UFA's at seasons end, and when the cap goes up Millers contract won't be so bad. But it isn't pretty for this season, I had forgotten about Eaves and Tootoos contracts sitting in the minors, just poor management this season.

This was an embarrassing game, no matter how one is looking at it the only bright spot Smith showing huge balls against Neil. - diving: seriously stop this crap this isn't soccer nor basketball show some class - pushed around: the best player on this team BY FAR is getting ellbowed and no one willing to stand up for him? WTF - losing against a joke of an expansion team, which can't even fill their own building without TorontoMapleLeafs fans *LOL* - PP sucked as always since St. Nick retired... Enough with the soft euro style, create a fourth line from hell like the TorontoMapleLeafs have done, after getting pushed around now they are one - if not - the toughest team in the NHL, that's how to build a fourth line Kenny. I like what Bertuzzi brings, but seriously other enforcers are not afraid to fight him...guys like Scott, McGrattan, McIntyre, McLaren, Orr or Bordelau are striking FEAR into the opponent. Heck call Russia and ask for Trevor Gillies I will be incredible pissed off, if they view the next meeting against Ottawa as a normal game, it's a statement game so they better make one. While Howard isn't to blame for the situation, he isn't helping either so what about giving the monster some games? He has played pretty well and even outplayed an elite goaltender in Tuka Raask some weeks ago.

It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. The Sens were running around without a care in the world last night.

wow, this has to be a nomination for worst post of the year. these guys get paid millions of dollars to play a game that many of us play for fun and for free. (heck with the cost of ice time, we mostly pay to play!) so excuse me if i dont get all humbled by someone playing injured. the way your post is written you would think they just freed kidnapped children or ended slavery or something. additionally, just about everyone here has acknowledged they dont 'hate' dan cleary, they are just frustrated with his role on the team. many of us, myself included, actually acknowledge our problem isn't even really with cleary. its with the coach and gm for putting him out there when he shouldnt be. the only person in this thread being an internet tough guy is you by implying that no one is entitled to dislike cleary because he has some sort of god-like status in your mind. p.s. if this was some sort of sarcasm, i apologize... but it seems serious.

No, our power play and lack of net presence f***ed us hard. Refs just lubed.

God I love these kind of games. This is real hockey. Its just a shame the wings can't handle it....and being in the east its only going to continue and get worse.

Smith put Helm in a terrible position there, right after he put Quincey in a terrible position. Same old story with Howard. It's never his fault, yet all his stats sucks. Getting tired of it.

1. Worst reffed game I've seen in a long time..glad I don't have time to watch every second of every game anymore..my blood pressure would be through the roof with that kind of officiating. 2. Our 5 on 3 PP is so easy to defend without a right handed shot...If we have to put Sammy on the 5 on 3 just to keep teams honest then do it. 3. Excited to see Gus and Tatar get a chance and hopefully it lasts this time..both are NHL ready top 6/9 players.

Just don't. Your head will explode.

I hate Kyle Quincey.

YFMB is not pleased.

Is it just me or is Ottawa playing like a bunch of gutless pricks tonight?

Good on Smith for stepping up with someone out of his weight class. EDIT: (referring to fighting ability, not actual weight)

Wow... Good on Smith to stand up to Neil, albeit totally out matched. Hopefully Smith keeps playing his game after getting it handed to him a bit. He's been great thus far tonight.

The nice thing is that you can watch the goal highlights on NHL.com. If you do, you'll see that Cleary wasn't even on the ice when Dats got his first -1 (it wasn't Datsyuk's fault either. It was mostly on Tatar). Whadda you know? Cleary also wasn't on the ice for Dats' -2, when Sekera walked through a sea of Red Wings players. And how bout that, Cleary wasn't on the ice for the 3rd goal, Dat's -3, when Sekera scored again shorthanded (also Tatar's fault). So I guess Cleary was doing something from the bench that caused them to score? Because it couldn't be that the bashing here has gotten so bad that people blame him for things when he's not even on the ice.

Honestly, as goaltending goes, the number one indicator of performance to me is this: when the puck is shot or there is a scrum around our crease, do I find myself expecting a save or a goal? Howard this season reminds me of Hasek late in 2008. He is number one by default, but I fear almost every shot on goal. When a puck gets by him, he is getting visibly distracted by it, and his performance just continues to slide. We can argue about whether one goal or the next is his "fault", but the fact remains that he isn't out playing the opposition goaltender.

Unfortunately everything hits him. Dude can't stay healthy.

If that happens im burning Ken Holland's house to the ground. You can quote me on that.