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Only if your counting bad pass goals as well

The Wings' fourth line has been the best line on the ice, but they don't know how to score goals so its 0-0 still.

I like what our blue line has shown through these first four games. I like this emphasis on low-event hockey. I like the emphasis on structure and set plays. I like that every player seems to know what he's doing, what he'd like to do next, and what he'll do if things don't go according to plan. I like that when something does go wrong and the puck ends up in our net, it's because of a simple turnover, so all Babcock has to say is "That? Don't do that." I like that the D are jumping into the attack, that we're showing some physicality in our end, that The Forbidden Play - the breakout pass through the middle of the ice - seems to be throwing off the opposition. I like that we're no longer an adventure in our end, that we've calmed down, matured, grown, flat-out improved. I also like Jeff Petry. But when I look at our blue line...to me, it doesn't scream "Could really use Jeff Petry." I think he'd settle in as a good #3 or #4, and, frankly, that's not what we need. Certainly not if it costs us Helm. His shortcomings are familiar to us - mental lapses in the d-zone, soft plays, inconsistency. He was a strong possession player last season, basically serving as Edmonton's #1 defenseman, but I don't know if adding him moves our needle closer to true Cup contention.

reminds me a bit of the dramatic OT win against st louis when Steve slaped it top shelf!

Are we still counting GAA with under a minute?

and here i thought Z was lazy and sucked. great shot Z great game by both goalies

I kept saying it two years ago but we should have traded Helm before people figured out he was just a smaller more injury prone Kris Draper.

He has. But, trading for Petry would be exactly what your saying though. A move for the sake of making a move. This team won't be much better if it happens.

Good point to consider, but Q has been better lately (I haven't seen tomight's game yet, but it's on the dvr). I just hope there isn't a trade just to make a trade a la Paul Holmgren.

babcock is that you?

It's a little funny they're we're basically only alternating lines 1 and 4 right now

I know it's a split second decision but Abby, you gotta let Z have the puck there.

Kindl is not an NHL defensemen.

Blocked shots on the PP have been a problem for the wings. Which has to do mostly with how they control the puck.

Probably should have kept Filpula. I was all for signing Weiss instead of Valteri, but at least Holland and I were wrong...

Guy walks into The Home Depot. Asks the greeter "Where can I find Milan Lucic? The greeter says: "Tools, Aisle Six".

Boston is in the same situation (to a much lesser extent) that we were the last few years with lidstrom. The main difference is charas nowhere near as good as lids was, so now that is game is falling off its more noticeable to the success of the team. They lose boychuck(we lost RAF) and all of the sudden their stellar d is turning average. The wings had much more skill though. And were more disciplined. I think its taking chara longer to get back into game shape, and yes clearly lost a step. And whether you think thornton helped them our not last year Their "team toughness" has definitely declined. Theyre going to be screwwd when chara retires.

Just wait until you see the ticket prices for the new arena. I'm sure you'll wish they were still playing at the Joe.

Either that or he's hitting the JUCK F***ING POTT!

You think there is a bad seat? I'll bet you a pair of tickets you won't find one seat with an obstructed view, no poles or signs blocking your view of the ice from the nose bleeds to the front row in any section.

I'm conflicted on this. I'm sure most of you guys that have been there over the years are as well. On one hand, the place has turned into somewhat of an stinkhole. The Joe is embarrassing compared to many of the nice new arenas built within the last 10-15 years. It has this weird post-apocalyptic vibe to it. Until you sit down in your seat, anywhere. Then its magic. This new arena better help me forget the ol' Joe, thats all I have to say!

Left Handed Defenseman. He fits in perfect!

Good luck Toots!