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All the discussion in this thread made me interested to see how the Wings stacked up exclusively against playoff teams, as well as how other playoff teams compared. Unfortunately I couldn't find anywhere online that conveniently had all this data organized, so I went through it all myself (as such there's bound to be errors). Anyway, the following is a tally of the number of wins and losses (I did not count OT or shootout losses as a separate category, just W and L) of all the current playoff teams against each other, and organized from best percentage to worst: 1. Canadiens 13W 9L 22GP 59.1% 2. Ducks 14W 10L 24GP 58.3% 3. Islanders 14W 10L 24GP 58.3% 4. Predators 10W 8L 18GP 55.6% 5. Lightning 10W 9L 19GP 52.6% 6. Blackhawks 11W 10L 21GP 52.4% 7. Canucks 11W 10L 21GP 52.4% 8. Penguins 11W 10L 21GP 52.4% 9. Sharks 12W 11L 23GP 52.2% 10. Rangers 11W 11L 22GP 50% 11. Red Wings 9W 10L 19GP 47.4% 12. Blues 11W 13L 24GP 45.8% 13. Capitals 8W 10L 18GP 44.4% 14. Bruins 9W 13L 22GP 40.9% 15 Kings 8W 12L 20GP 40% 16 Jets 7W 15L 22GP 31.8% A few things stuck out to me when i was compiling this data/looking over it. 1) The Wings have not played as many games against playoff opponents as many of the other teams on this list. Essentially that confirms what most of us already know: the second half of the Wings' schedule will be considerably tougher than the first half. But also, many of these teams may have a smoother road to the playoffs than us. Although its still tough to gauge opposition quality with this list, because we aren't considering specifically what teams everyone has to face, as well as the relative difficulty of the nonplayoff teams that each team has to play. Secondly, like the overall standings in the NHL, there really isn't a whole lot separating the majority of teams here. The Canadians, Ducks, and Islanders are pretty comfortably a +500 team, the Jets and Kings are pretty well below 500. The Bruins are too, but as they get healthier, they've been playing much better of late, so I'm hesitant to include them with the Jets and Kings, although for the sake of unbiased statistics they technically should be included in that bottom grouping. But the other 10 teams on that list are each within 2 games of 500. In other words, if the outcome of just one previous game went differently for any of these teams, they would find themselves at 500, or on the opposite side of 500 than they currently are. So parody, I guess. Some suprises: I guess I never really considered the Canadiens to be as good as they are, because the Wings always seemed to be in striking distance of them, and something about their playoff run last year just seemed flukey to me. But lo and behold they're actually the best team in the league against playoff teams at this point. I was also suprised to the the Lightning as low as they are. They've been getting a lot of hype, and probably rightfully so, but I was expecting them to have a better record than that. Finally, I don't have any way to quantify this because I'm too lazy, but as I was tallying up the wins and losses, it was quite apparent how streaky some teams are. Some of those records were 5-0, 7-2, 1-8, etc before eventually levelling off around 500. I would have a good streak of wins tallied for some team and it would get me thinking "wow this team has been killing it", then all of a sudden December hits and the team goes on an equally as crazy losing streak, or vice versa.

Kip's an ass? I've been having amicable discussions, and even agreeing at times for like two weeks now. Does that make me guilty by ASSociation? Ha... I'll just see myself out.

preds beat the caps 4-3 with carter hutton in net,thats his first win.

If I had to describe kip in one sentence this would be it.

This definitely isn't your older brother's Red Wings, folks.

What are you talking about? If there is one thing Kenny will most definitely do, it's kick some tires

I could've sworn we just went 4-2 on a road trip. We are on a par with, or within touching distance of, every good team in the league. We're over halfway through the season, there's only 6 points separating the top-10 teams, and we are in that grouping. We're top-10 in points, PP, PK, Face-offs, SA and GA. 12th and 13th in GF and SF which some will no doubt see as evidence of our weakness, but still places us in the top half. Whichever way you look at it, we're a good team. The Toronto's and Colorado's of this world, every other team in the NHL gets to play them too, and guess what? They haven't managed to separate themselves from us by beating up on this supposed trash that we couldn't beat. And I'm not blaming anything on the SO, but it is a fact that some teams points totals are flattered by it, and others aren't. We are in the latter category.

How about "subtle crosschecks and slashes"? There was a sequence last night along the boards in the St Louis end where Reaves and Jackman took turns crosschecking Glendenning in the back and the ribs as he battled for the puck. I counted 9. Watch the extended highlights of the Tatar goal and see how many times Shattenkirk slashes and crosschecks Sheahan as the play develops. (Riley's glove doesn't just fall off on it's own) So basically f*** Pang and company and f*** Olczyk

Pav and Hank will retire as career red wings, as they should.

They are who they we thought they were. Maybe even a little bit better. Who thought Jimmy Howard would be an all-star? Tatar and Nyquist are leading the team in goals and appear to be avoiding the sophomore slump. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have been themselves. DeKeyser and Smith have matured. The PP and PK have improved. Helm and Abdelkader are contributing. They're not an elite team, and I never expected them to be. They've won some games they shouldn't and lost some they should have won. They're not a perfect team with all perfect players, but overall, they've been entertaining and I'm not going to overanalyze it. The future looks much brighter than it did just a year ago. I know they probably won't win the Cup this year, and I'm okay with that.

Let's forget Yandle and get Doan for Franzen

Good post. To add some more of those new and shiny fancy stats to support it : Our PDO is 1.005, so we're not very lucky nor unlucky. Our Corsi% is 54.4 which makes us third in the league atm. This is not a fluke, this is real. And kip of course a lot can happen. Maybe Z back will get bad again, maybe Datsyuk gets injured, pick what you want. But is it so hard to admit that we played a good season so far and deserve our spot in the standings because we are a good, arguably even a top team in the East ?

I'll be the first genius to offer Franzen and Kindl!

This is a good post. The Wings are 7-3 in their last ten games, which is as hot as any team has been. Yeah, we've lost to some teams that are below 500, and we've lost to some teams that are near the top of the league. But we've also won a lot of those games, and those losses aren't something that's excusive to the Red Wings. Every team has stinkers, losing streaks, loses against teams they should have beat, etc etc. Its a long season; s*** happens. The important thing in all of this is whether teams can tread water through adversity and not lose their footing in the standings. Minnesota is having trouble with this. Toronto is having trouble with this. Detroit is in good shape right now. We suffered a pretty nasty losing streak about a month ago, but still managed to get a lot of points from OT during that stretch. Right now the Wings are without their number 1 and number 2 goalie. Even so, they keep humming along, and as of this moment we're only three points out of first in our division, and Tampa has played two more games than us.

There are a few of their players I think are good. But I've got to be "all in" on this. So I'm calling it. No Toronto losers. None. Even the ones I like. They'll leave their loser germs on the equipment in the training room and before you know it all our guys will have loser. Next thing you know we'll be extending crappy defensemen to 7 million dollar deals and blaming everything on our top line wingers. Not on my watch.

The official catchphrase of Eddie Blackhawks Olczyk.

Dickie, I think it's pretty clear that anyone would trade a Mantha or Larkin type of prospect for a Weber, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Tavares, Seguin, Benn, Giroux, or any other young, established player in the league. But those types of players simply are not available. When I say, "this is my untouchable list", I mean, "in any plausible trade that Ken Holland could make, I would not trade...". The type of trade that Holland is likely to make (if any) leading up to the trade deadline would be for a rental / veteran / depth defenseman. So no, I would not trade anyone on my lengthy "untradeable" list for what Holland could possibly get in said trade... You (some people) may be okay with trading away a Pulkkinen or Athanasiou for a few months of a Zidlicky or Petry, but I would not...

His OPMGLBICDF (opposing player's man games lost due to bacterial infection contracted during fight) is 1st league-wide. He deserves to captain an All-Star team.

Very happy to see the Plymouth Whalers are moving to Flint..that's about 3-4 miles from home for me http://www.plymouthwhalers.com/article/plymouth-whalers-sold-team-to-move-to-flint-for-2015-16

If I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Jack Edwards, I would shoot Jack Edwards twice.

They were talking about it on the radio, and Mrazek said something to the effect of, "I feel for Jimmy, this isn't the way I wanted to get the starting job in Detroit." Which was a nice sentiment to hear. His demeanor is awesome. And I love his confidence.

Oh please. I remember Bourque and Messier playing in the ASG into their 40's. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are not bigger than the game. If they're healthy, they should show respect for the game and the people before them who've played in this game.

I'm pretty sure gustavsson's groin against average is worse. I could be wrong though

.....and get's hurt only hours after the announcement. That would have never happened to an elite goalie. Pretty average if you ask me. In all seriousness : The nomination is well deserved, Jimmy kept us in many games and is one of the main reasons this team is in a playoff-spot. I hope that is injury looked more scary than it is and he recovers till the end of the month.

@Aaron3675: How delicious is that, Spezza scoring on the @PredsNHL after he said lawl no thanks to them over the summer. @PredsNHL: . @Aaron3675 not as delicious as being 14 points ahead of the Stars in the standings but go on ahead... ZERO CHILL