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Larkin, Mantha, Zadina, Veleno, Bert, Moose, and potentially another high end F in the draft makes AA as expendable as a 3rd nipple. Trading him for Pool Party makes perfect sense cuz ur trading a guy who is essentially a one dimensional, 3rd line winger at that point for another guy who is: A. 4 years younger B. Still has the potential to be a solid, 2 way, top 6 F. C. Right handed D. Will still be at worst a 3W anyway. So basically, at worst, you're getting the same level of player back, but with the potential to be even better. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I didn;t say AA is a bust. I'm saying he has no future with Detroit. I've actively said he'd fit in well with Edmonton. He just doesn;t play the type of hockey Detroit needs. Puljujarvi does. I'd have traded AA last year too. Also, if you're as done with the debate as you say you are, you could simply stop responding. Nobody is saying there would be no risk to the trade. But that's the trade-off for acquiring a prospect with such a high ceiling for a 25 year old middle six winger. My guess is Yzerman wouldn;t pull the trigger on such a trade without talking to Puljujarvi first, to see where his head his at and lay out what his expectations would be in Detroit. The Edmonton franchise was a train wreck before Holland cleaned house and brought stability. It's not far fetched to say that Puljujarvi was mismanaged in Edmonton.

I promised Mabus I would liveblog the s*** out of this game. That was before I knew this was an NBC broadcast. FML. lol

It isn't the fact that AA isn't scoring. It's the fact that he brings literally nothing else to the table. Vanek put up lots of points his first season in Detroit. Guess what he fetched? A third rounder. Turns out one-dimensional wingers aren't worth much. Glendening is a more important part of this team than AA is.

I think his point is more that those are realistic worst-case scenario playouts. Suzuki could easily end up being a good-not-great middle-six forward. Romanov is more dynamic than Marchenko, but he's not a proven point-producer. (Granted, he's a kid defenseman who's spent the past two seasons in the KHL.) There's a lot of HYPE! surrounding Primeau, but his numbers as an AHL rookie are only slightly better than McCollum's and goalies are voodoo anyway. So: could be a win for us, could be a loss for us, could be a win for each organization. At the end of the day, the Wings would probably be better off keeping Patrick Kane 2.0 and the Habs would probably be better off not gutting their organizational depth for one player.

Gotta agree with all of this. His unique skillset would jive very well with McJesus, based on the fact it's hard for wingers to keep up with his speed. I'll be the first to admit that this trade would have more risk for Detroit than Edmonton. But that's why Detroit would be getting the younger, higher potential player in the deal. Oilers get a player that helps them now. Adding a player like Fabrri also offsets a lot of the risk of losing AA if the return for him does not pan out. Fabbri is already a much better player than AA.

Yeah, that's a HUGE package (that's what she said), and one you'd definitely have to consider... That's FOUR high end prospects for Lafreniere. Depending on how far we'd be dropping in the draft, I'd probably pull the trigger on that one. If we could pull Suzuki (top six center), Raymond (top six winger), Romanov (top four defenseman), and Primeau (potential starting goalie) from this draft, never mind any of our other picks, that would be HUGE... Of course this would never happen, so it's moot, but still fun to think about haha.

Like marc, I'd want to know exactly what that 1st is. Unlike marc, I think I'd have to give this offer some serious thought even if the 1st is outside of the top 3, e.g. 4th or 5th. Consider: Suzuki is the Habs' top center prospect. He's put up 33 points in 54 games as a 20-year-old NHL rookie this season. He shoots right. Romanov is the Habs' top D prospect. He's playing in the KHL and is coming off an outstanding WJC. He's NHL-ready right now. He shoots left. Primeau is the Habs' top G prospect and one of the better goalie prospects out there. And on top of that, you're (hypothetically) getting a top 2020 prospect, e.g. Drysdale. So, we'd be filling our 2C hole with a guy who's seemingly well on his way to becoming a 1C, we'd be adding a quality LHD prospect who's ready to step into the NHL right now, we'd be adding a quality goalie prospect who's already got a couple of NHL games under his belt, AND we'd be adding a guy like Drysdale or maybe even Stutzle (I'm not at all convinced that Stutzle is a lock for the top 3).

Vanek is just another player people like you salivated at getting a first rounder for. The point being made was you overvalue the f*** out of our players.

That's the assumption. He isn't at the moment. And I'd rather trade AA for someone who isn't a winger or a pick. Otherwise you trade one 3rd nipple for another, potentially worse 3rd nipple. I'm not arguing that he will bring a king's ransom. But to trade a Winger for a maybe better or slightly worse Winger, while we already have a logjam of those isn't my preferred option. It's simply an unnecessary risk. We have other positions that we need to strengthen.

Puljujarvi IS a high end prospect. In what world will you get a first and Puljujarvi for AA? Holland would be insane to give up Bouchard for AA. Jesus Christ you are way over valuing AA here. AA himself has proven to be a problem child here as well. The guy had one big season by cherry-picking. At 25 years old, it's proven he will never develop into the player we need to be, aka one who plays on both ends of the ice. If we can land a prospect like Puljujarvi for a player with no future here like AA, any sane GM would do it. Acquiring someone like Bouchard is a pipe dream. He was drafted at fourth overall for a reason. The kid is only 21 years old. Edmonton has always done nothing but throw their first overall picks into the NHL before they are ready. AA is what he is at this point. Those who think AA is worth a king's ransom are gonna be very disappointed. Let him go to Edmonton where he will thrive on a team that doesn't need to play defense.

AA is a 30 goal scorer, he's had a tough year, both on the ice and injury wise. Prior year's have proven he is very dynamic and there's no reason not to believe, given the right situation (like maybe play with McDavid) that he won't be a 30 goal scorer again and again. Puljujarvi or not, I'm getting either a 1st or a high prospect along with him. Who's to say Pulj wouldn't give us the same problems playing here? I'd trade AA straight up and ask for Bouchard, if Holland wanted to deal more, I'd ask for a 3rd and thrown in Svech or Lindstrom. To me Pulj just seems like a problem child. He should be a throw in in any trade package just because of his uncertainty. If Holland wants AA, then I am getting the value in return, because there may be more than one team asking about AA in a couple of weeks, I'm asking high and accepting the highest value....or I am just keeping him and letting him attempt to flourish under a new coaching staff and the possibility of playing with whomever we get at 1,2,3 or 4...if we draft center. I just question whether he'd give us the same problems as he is giving Edmonton. Is it just a money issue or is it the team? Maybe he wants to NOT play on a bottom team, that would eliminate us all together.

I don't buy it. Puljujarvi a top player (just under a point per game) in Liiga. That translates to about 40 points in the NHL over 82 games. He's just 21 years old. Give him another couple years, and I think he could easily be a 50 point winger in the NHL. No one is arguing that Athanasiou wouldn't bounce back in Edmonton. But would he bounce back in Detroit? Probably not. I'm sure he could be a 30+ goal scorer again on McDavid's wing, but what does that have to do with this team? Who said anything about Puljujarvi being available from another team a year from now?

Who said anything about 3 years ago? You sure love talking out of your ass. I've been discussing this potential trade in THIS THREAD. And no, we would not look like morons. AA would never perform like that here. He'd do it in Edmonton because he'd play with McDavid and defense is an afterthought. The trade works for Edmonton is BECAUSE of the type of player he is. One who doesn;t back check. Guess who is known for being a good player on both ends of the ice? Puljujarvi. If he could be a 50 point winger who plays a defensively responsible game, we're a better team than with AA. Regardless of whether or not he is potting 40 goals in Edmonton. AA sucks now because the book is out on him. Teams aren't letting him cherry pick anymore and he is suffering because of it.

Once again, I brought up the tweet as a ******* joke that a trade proposal I brought up ages ago is making its rounds, and you're getting bent out of shape over the details of the trade he is making. Just because Puljujarvi hasn't commanded a package of top picks/prospects, it does not mean he does not have value. Teams just don't see any reason to trade their own high end prospect or first rounders for another high-end prospect with some risk involved. It's that simple. Whether you like it or not, Puljujarvi himself IS a high end prospect. Just one with some risk attached. A trade involving AA makes sense because it is clear AA is not considered a part of the core of this team. He's a 25 year old, one-dimensional player. While he may not be as bad as he is this year, he is also likely not as good as he was last year. Truth is, he is likely somewhere in the middle. He is a streaky, one-trick pony. He doesn't make his teammates better, and he sucks defensively. It's great when he is scoring, but when he doesn't, he brings literally nothing to the table. The guy does not play winning hockey. On a team like Edmonton where they are all in on offense, AA would fit right in. Hell, he'd probably score 40 goals a year on McDavid's wing. That's why this trade makes sense. Puljujarvi gets a fresh opportunity to live up to his potential, Edmonton gets a winger who can keep up with McDavid. There is risk involved for Detroit in such a trade. But the reward would be ******* huge, as Puljujarvi could be 3X the player AA will ever be. It's a risk worth taking, even if it were a one-for-one trade. You complain about the trade because AA is "the only player who can land us a first", while completely ignoring the fact that Puljujarvi is a fourth overall pick just 3 years ago.

You keep expecting AA to bounce back next year and be a 30 goal scorer again. Something he has done ONE TIME. What if he stays in Detroit, and has yet another season like this one? Just as likely of a scenario. Then you'd get nothing for him. Puljujarvi has value, despite what you think. Kid still has tremendous upside at only 21 years of age. Not to mention he is the right handed shot on the wing that so many covet. Also a great combination of size and speed, whose development was botched by the Oilers. I've been discussing the idea of an AA/Puljujarvi trade for a while now. My initial post was merely a joke at how others in sports media are starting to report it as a possibility. You're getting caught up in a writers opinion of what the package might include for no reason at all. I also have no ******* clue where you hauled this 5th rounder from, as it is mentioned nowhere. My opinion is simply that a trade involving AA and Puljujarvi could be great for both teams. At no point do I or anyone else mention a 5th round pick. I say make a trade, let him play with Flip for the season.

The kid is a very recent 4th overall pick. Honestly what better are you gonna find than that with a second rounder? Teams aren't gonna give up a top prospect or first rounder for AA. Edmonton have been garbage for years at developing players. Fresh start for the kid and who knows what can happen. Certainly wouldn;t be any worse than AA.

Keeping AA would also be a risk, which is why I like the trade, assuming it isn't one-for-one. Definitely seems to be the type of trade that could work wonders for both teams.

Kotkaniemi sent down to the AHL. 3rd overall pick in Zadina's draft. Clearly, he's a bust too.

Re. Laffy and the Habs...

Me in 3-4 years: Dodge Challenger with aftermarket headers and parts that gets 11 miles to the gallon. Diesel powered minibike in the trunk for when I need to get out of my roadboat, cause f*** walking. You'll pull up next to me in your g-ay little battery car and see me buying more Exon and BP stocks on my phone instead of watching the road. Full rack of BBQ ribs on the seat next to me in case I need a snack. Your electric acceleration won't do you any good as I burn rubber and cover your windshield with thick black smoke as I blaze off into another American night. That's the dream

What I wanna know is: what was he doing in Kentucky? Answer: Bourbon

Bummer. I thought I saw him skating funny a couple times, was worried this was the case. This season just keeps getting less and less fun, even when I think It's not possible. It's actually sort of remarkable. I'm scared if I say "well at least we still have Fabbri" he's going to go down too. Well at least AA is ready to step in, hopefully he stops sucking ass now that he's healthy.