2007 College Football Season Talk

[eva unit zero 271]

Assuming my parents have the same seats as the past few seasons, I'll be in Section 42, row 60. Seat will be between 18-22.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

When you find out post it here. How weird would it be to sit by one another

My parents have the tickets. As far as I know, there are 8 tickets. 6 of them are next to each other in one of the endzone corners on the Ohio State bench side and about halfway up. The other two are about 10 rows up, hope those are the ones I get!

My mom actually got the tickets from people she does business with up in Detroit and we won't have them in our hands until Saturday morning when we meet up on State Street. Then headed over for some serious tailgating at the golf course.

By the way, this will be my fifth game at Michigan Stadium, and everytime I've been there we've been on the golf course. I still can't believe they let people drive on this thing, that's gotta take some serious repairs every spring.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

My parents have the tickets. As far as I know, there are 8 tickets. 6 of them are next to each other in one of the endzone corners on the Ohio State bench side and about halfway up. The other two are about 10 rows up, hope those are the ones I get!

My mom actually got the tickets from people she does business with up in Detroit and we won't have them in our hands until Saturday morning when we meet up on State Street. Then headed over for some serious tailgating at the golf course.

By the way, this will be my fifth game at Michigan Stadium, and everytime I've been there we've been on the golf course. I still can't believe they let people drive on this thing, that's gotta take some serious repairs every spring.

I sat around that corner seat during the App State game. I'll be seating in my family's seats this Saturday. There are in section 44 (between 30-40 yard line) about 60 rows up on the OSU side.

[timothy1997 0]

Big Ten might have cost Ohio State the game last saturday

I didn't see the game but this report cannot be good for the big ten at all.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Big Ten might have cost Ohio State the game last saturday

I didn't see the game but this report cannot be good for the big ten at all.

The only penalty against Illinois came after the two previous plays had gotten a huge rise out of the crowd for missed holding penalties, and on the third play holding was called. For the most part, I didn't notice many missed calls so I dont think that was maybe a big deal.

I have been told by many people who watched the game on TV that Illinois definitely fumbled on their first Touchdown drive, and the play wasn't even reviewed.

Really though, I'm not gonna blame the refs for that one. Illinois outplayed the Bucks...simple as that.

[eva unit zero 271]

Really though, I'm not gonna blame the refs for that one. Illinois outplayed the Bucks...simple as that.

I agree...the only situation where 'it was the ******* refs' is a tolerable excuse for fans of any team is when the situation would have directly, definitively and unchangably altered the final outcome.

This is pretty much reserved for referee mistakes that prevent/allow a scoring play when it shouldn't have been that way, and the mistake occurs late in the game with the score close.

One example would be a last-second field goal attempt to win the game that is blocked due to the defensive player being offsides. Or a team that is four points down has a throw picked off with two minutes remaning and returned 100 yards for a touchdown, but was made possible due to pass interference that wasn't called.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

What side does Gholstan play on? Will he be on Long, or Schilling? If it's on Schilling Henne will get hurt again ):

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

What side does Gholstan play on? Will he be on Long, or Schilling? If it's on Schilling Henne will get hurt again ):

OSU rotates their line pretty frequently so he'll play both, but I imagine they'll try to line him up opposite Schilling.

[timothy1997 0]

wow. what a night of college football last night. Not only does Oregon lose, but Dixon might have lost the Heisman trophy as he is out for the rest of the season, not to mention might have killed his NFL draft status.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

wow. what a night of college football last night. Not only does Oregon lose, but Dixon might have lost the Heisman trophy as he is out for the rest of the season, not to mention might have killed his NFL draft status.

I was watching that game last night after I got home from the MSU hockey game. It looked like Oregon lost Dixon and another top player. I thought it was funny to see the students start pileing onto the sidelines at about four minutes remaining. I was suprised to see the students stay on the side lines until the end of the game, I thought for sure they would jump the gun and come onto the feild before the end of the game.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

After watching that game I wish Michigan could have played Oregon without Dixon. Leaf played horrible! Must run in the family (:

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Is Michigan really still an elite program? Half a national championship in the last 50 years, 1 1/2 in the last 60. Does that really make an elite program? Hell, in that time period Michigan State has claimed more national championships than Michigan has. Overall the school has a losing record in bowl games, unlike Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, and LSU to name a few.

Now, Michigan is still an extremely good program, don't get me wrong. I'd never say that the Wolverines have a bad program, hell, they haven't had a losing season since the 60's. But when most of your national championships are from before World War 2, and two out of the three post WW2 championships were in the 1940's, and the last national championship is a co-championship...that doesn't scream elite program to me. It says good program, even very good, but not the leaders and the best

I don't ask this to be an ******* Spartan fan, I'd certainly love to have Michigan's record. But I'm curious what the UM fans think.

Straight forward answer:

I think Michigan is far above "good". You could make an argument they are not "elite" anymore, but who is? Most other top programs have had some very down years with losing records (ie USC) but the fact that Michigan hasn't is a credit to the program. The bowl record for sure should be better. Bo's Rose Bowl record was terrible. Lloyd started out great in Bowls but has taken a downward spiral obviously. Of course, we're playing Texas and USC in the Rose Bowl, and not a MAC team in the Motor City Bowl. Not an excuse, but I guess I'd rather have a shot at beating the great teams than get easy wins vs. the nobodys. The "co-championship" criticism is unwarranted since there are very often co-champs even in the BCS era (ie USC and LSU a few years ago). The fact that UM didn't get an opportunity to play Nebraska cannot be held against them (or vice versa). So in my opinion they are still elite - pretty much a ranked team every year. However, we are in need of a change to try to remain an "elite" program. The problem is that can backfire on you like it has to many other programs (Nebraska??).

p.s. The HBO special on the UM-OSU rivalry is awesome - I recommend it highly. One thing that stands out is that there will probably be no more "franchise" coaches like we used to have. Now you have characters like, hmm, Sabin comes to mind, that bounce around every year. Guys like Bo and Woody probably would have coached for free they were so obsessed with their programs. Guys like Duffy Dougherty lived in the same neighborhood as all of the fans. Now these guys only want to win to get to the next fattest contract offer. At least Lloyd is not like that. I wish him well in his (pending) retirement.

Go Blue!

Edited November 17, 2007 by RockyMountainWingGal

[timothy1997 0]

Way to go MSU!! I am convinced with that win, Michigan State will be going bowling this year. I really like how this team came back in this game against Penn State today. GO GREEN! GO WHITE!!

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Wow the 2 U-M games I go this year (App State/OSU) both sucked! That game was so hard to watch, and it didn't help that Ohio State's two dumbest students sat next to me, and let me know that they could actually spell O-H-I-O all game long.

I feel horrible the way Carr, Henne, Hart, and Long had to go out, but it happens to the best of them. Big thanks to Lloyd Carr for everything he has done.

[BlakChamber 8]

Hell of a game by MSU, from what I've heard. I was in Austin all day yesterday and I'm trying to find either a torrent or a copy of the game.

Tough break for Michigan. Poor Hart, no national championship, no wins against Ohio State, better hope he gets a bowl win. Otherwhise his resume won't be that much better than a MSU senior.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

The good:

OSU domination victory.

The tailgating and delicious food prepared by some very hospitable Michigan fans.

My 11th Row seats.

The bad:

The weather, it was pretty damn miserable.

Chad Henne....just wow. (Throw in Manningham and the Michigan O line)

The ugly:

The Michigan fan who spit on my face. If that was you, you know who I am, because I was the one who took your ass down.

You can say anything you want to me. I had people get in my face and yell "f*** YOU!", and I may think you're an immature *******, but I can handle it. However, spitting on me will get your ass kicked, and by the look on your face, you didn't think I would do anything about it.

EDIT: I should mention that not even 5 minutes after this incident, a Michigan student in line behind me, hugged me and told me he loved me. Yes, he was drunk.

Edited November 18, 2007 by Hockeytown Red Wings

[timothy1997 0]

What's the bowl lineup look like for the Big Ten?

Here is what I think.

Rose: Ohio State

Capital One: Illinois

Outback: Michigan

Alamo: Wisconsin

Champs: Penn State

Insight: Michigan State

Motor City: Indiana

Poinsetta: Purdue

I skipped over Iowa despite them having a 4-4 record in the Big Ten due to them having only 6 wins. Big Ten is only supposed to have 7 teams in bowl games which makes it tough around the last few bowls on which team is most deserving. Top 5 in Ohio State, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn State are a virtual lock in.

[rwfan007 18]

well, its official, Carr retires...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3117704

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

The good:

OSU domination victory.

The tailgating and delicious food prepared by some very hospitable Michigan fans.

My 11th Row seats.

The bad:

The weather, it was pretty damn miserable.

Chad Henne....just wow. (Throw in Manningham and the Michigan O line)

The ugly:

The Michigan fan who spit on my face. If that was you, you know who I am, because I was the one who took your ass down.

You can say anything you want to me. I had people get in my face and yell "f*** YOU!", and I may think you're an immature *******, but I can handle it. However, spitting on me will get your ass kicked, and by the look on your face, you didn't think I would do anything about it.

EDIT: I should mention that not even 5 minutes after this incident, a Michigan student in line behind me, hugged me and told me he loved me. Yes, he was drunk.

I had 2 A-Hole OSU students behind me. The girl was tapped me on the shoulder when the Victors started, and flicked me off. I said "Thats classy", and she told me to F off. Later on they were doing that Ohio chant with the hand motions, and she told me to join. I said "I gotta 4 letter word to spell for you, and it's not Ohio". That finally shut her up, and she continued drinking her pint of Jack Daniels...

[Skiing - Puck 0]

I had 2 A-Hole OSU students behind me. The girl was tapped me on the shoulder when the Victors started, and flicked me off. I said "Thats classy", and she told me to F off. Later on they were doing that Ohio chant with the hand motions, and she told me to join. I said "I gotta 4 letter word to spell for you, and it's not Ohio". That finally shut her up, and she continued drinking her pint of Jack Daniels...

Every school has fans that are complete assholes.

I was at a hockey game at WMU, and a guy came up and spit tobbaco juice on my jersey (I prompty pinned him against a wall and punched him three times,breaking his nose).

[Sting 11 0]

What's the bowl lineup look like for the Big Ten?

Here is what I think.

Rose: Ohio State

Capital One: Illinois

Outback: Michigan

Alamo: Wisconsin

Champs: Penn State

Insight: Michigan State

Motor City: Indiana

Poinsetta: Purdue

I skipped over Iowa despite them having a 4-4 record in the Big Ten due to them having only 6 wins. Big Ten is only supposed to have 7 teams in bowl games which makes it tough around the last few bowls on which team is most deserving. Top 5 in Ohio State, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn State are a virtual lock in.

Purdue has no business going to a bowl game...going 2-5 down the stretch is pathetic. I'm embarrassed.

I'm also worried that, with Oregon losing, Oklahoma losing, one of Missouri and Kansas destined to lose, and all the conference championship games yet to come...there's a chance OSU may back into the national championship game.

[timothy1997 0]

Purdue has no business going to a bowl game...going 2-5 down the stretch is pathetic. I'm embarrassed.

I'm also worried that, with Oregon losing, Oklahoma losing, one of Missouri and Kansas destined to lose, and all the conference championship games yet to come...there's a chance OSU may back into the national championship game.

Very good possibility of that happening. Kansas and Missouri play this week, with the winner playing Oklahoma. Oklahoma can play spoilers and beat either one of those teams. That leaves just West Va and OSU with 1 loss. The Buckeyes have an outside shot at the title game. Plus when you look at the team the 1 loss teams in LSU, West Va, and Ohio State have lost too, the Buckeyes have a clear advantage

LSU: Kentucky

West Va: USF

OSU: Illinois

And the weird part is even if Ohio State gets to the title game, no guarntee that Illinois would get in the bowl to replace them. How about a Kansas-Hawaii Rose Bowl?

Edited November 19, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

The good:

OSU domination victory.

The tailgating and delicious food prepared by some very hospitable Michigan fans.

My 11th Row seats.

The bad:

The weather, it was pretty damn miserable.

Chad Henne....just wow. (Throw in Manningham and the Michigan O line)

I thought the game was pretty close...it should have been 14-10, if not for perhaps the most blatant, and yet most intelligent pass interference penalty ever taken.

Henne played well. His numbers don't show it, but Manninghamd and Arrington dropped about a dozen very well thrown balls between them, several of which were good for first downs.

I have to say, though...had the weather been dry, it would have been a different game for two reasons:

Michigan would not have had nearly as many dropped balls, and Mike Hart wouldn't have slipped and aggravated his ankle in the first quarter; if you recall, Brandon Minor's missed block on the next play killed the Wolverines' scoring drive, forcing them to kick a FG rather than score a TD. Ultimately, Hart's injury was the biggest thing; OSU had success because they were able to run the ball, thereby avoiding the issue of dropped passes. OSU risked nothing in the air; the Buckeyes completed exactly one pass that was more than ten yards, and I don't recall any other attempts at such. Michigan had no rushing option with Hart ailing and Minor being Minor. So they had to try to pass, and while the receivers often were able to beat the defense, they couldn't catch the ball.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I thought the game was pretty close...it should have been 14-10, if not for perhaps the most blatant, and yet most intelligent pass interference penalty ever taken.

Henne played well. His numbers don't show it, but Manninghamd and Arrington dropped about a dozen very well thrown balls between them, several of which were good for first downs.

I have to say, though...had the weather been dry, it would have been a different game for two reasons:

Michigan would not have had nearly as many dropped balls, and Mike Hart wouldn't have slipped and aggravated his ankle in the first quarter; if you recall, Brandon Minor's missed block on the next play killed the Wolverines' scoring drive, forcing them to kick a FG rather than score a TD. Ultimately, Hart's injury was the biggest thing; OSU had success because they were able to run the ball, thereby avoiding the issue of dropped passes. OSU risked nothing in the air; the Buckeyes completed exactly one pass that was more than ten yards, and I don't recall any other attempts at such. Michigan had no rushing option with Hart ailing and Minor being Minor. So they had to try to pass, and while the receivers often were able to beat the defense, they couldn't catch the ball.

I didnt say it wasn't close. I wasn't comfortable until the very end because all it would have taken was one muffed punt return, a fumble, or Manningham actually catching a ball to make it a nailbiter at the end.

However, weather or not 91 yards of offense is pretty impressive or pretty pathetic depending upon which side you're on. Our run defense was absolutely monstrous. Even Mike Hart gaves us a compliment on that one. Since I was in the endzone and pretty close to the field, my depth perception wasn't the best and I still havent watched the TV replay, but I thought Henne looked awful. Most of his passes were inaccurate, and it just so happens that the ones he hit, we're dropped.

After Boeckman's god-awful interception at the end of the first half, I knew we wouldn't see more than 5 or 6 second half passes out of the offense. I'm just glad Beanie was able to slow down his cuts yet for the most part maintain his balance, he was unbelievable.

[timothy1997 0]

Henne played well.

Henne was 11 for 34, 68 yards, comp % of 32.4. 3 sacks, 0 tds, 0 ints.

How can you say that Henne played well with those stats?

I have to say, though...had the weather been dry, it would have been a different game for two reasons:

Michigan would not have had nearly as many dropped balls, and Mike Hart wouldn't have slipped and aggravated his ankle in the first quarter; if you recall, Brandon Minor's missed block on the next play killed the Wolverines' scoring drive, forcing them to kick a FG rather than score a TD. Ultimately, Hart's injury was the biggest thing; OSU had success because they were able to run the ball, thereby avoiding the issue of dropped passes. OSU risked nothing in the air; the Buckeyes completed exactly one pass that was more than ten yards, and I don't recall any other attempts at such. Michigan had no rushing option with Hart ailing and Minor being Minor. So they had to try to pass, and while the receivers often were able to beat the defense, they couldn't catch the ball.

...and if manningham wouldn't have caught that td pass or hart wouldn't have picked up the ball and ran for a first down on the fumble, Michigan State would have beaten Michigan.